Edward Frye
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9/1/2016
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I have 117 Watchful, 106 Dangerous, 105 Shadowy, and 180 Persuasive. I think that I have almost all the locations, I don't have the Labyrinth of Tigers, I was wondering what grind will give me the best EPA.
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Grenem
Posts: 2067
9/2/2016
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lady ciel wrote:
War of Assassins takes 34 actions; you need a Tomb Colonist favour and to draw their card to trade a cabinet of curiosities. That is a total of 36 actions for 65 echoes of stuff (5 Puzzling Maps and an Extraordinary Implication). If my calculations are correct that is around 1.80 EPA
Also you can raise all four stats depending on which options you take - shadowy and dangerous in the Forgotten Quarter and watchful/persuasive in the Flit.
Edit - that is one of the best end game grinds
edited by reveurciel on 9/1/2016
That is correct. Now, for my disgreements.
it is card based and now requires either unusual sources of favors or two tomb-colonist card draws per cycle, making it non-sustainable- as you can usually get 36 actions before you get the favor and the cash-in, so unless you have the bandaged raven or have a scandal problem, it's not going to be viable as a primary grind.
The number you cited treats favors as spending an action. Given that favor hoarding is card based and always more profitable than any grind, including it arbitrarily inflates the value of the grind. it's better valued as a currency, worth whichever is bigger- {2.51 echoes-[action value]/7} or {4.2 echoes - [action value]}. Assuming no optimization, the first is the payout for the worst tomb-colonies conflict card, and the second is the payout for the always-availible action in the forgotten quarter. with perfect card draw and optimization, they can be worth {4.7 - [action value]/5 echoes}, by using the society conflict card with exactly 5 in society's favor. No matter which number you use, it's closer to 63 echoes or less per 35 action cycle, as opposed to the 65 echoes per 36 action cycle. Taking this as the most reliable grind and taking this grind, with 1.81 epa as the best grind- it's 62.55 echoes per cycle.
genesis wrote:
lady ciel wrote:
If my calculations are correct that is around 1.80 EPA
Which you can boost more if you do it in Wilmot's End and use the The Faithful Functionary for it's rare successes of Compromising Documents.
That's not the only one, either. though the others cost cards and only have a chance of saving actions.
edited by Grenem on 9/2/2016
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Optimatum
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9/2/2016
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The thing is, I don't agree at all that the favour should be included as a separate cost. One full cycle of this grind requires 36 actions, not 35 actions and an outside input of a resource without an easily-defined value. Saying it's 62.5 echoes per 35 actions is like saying that the Fidgeting Writer grind is 1.9 EPA plus you have to get the items - it leaves out a necessary part of the picture which visibly shifts the net output.
Also I very much disagree that favours should be valued dependent on the baseline grind of choice. As you point out, that makes the numbers change when pursuing a more profitable grind like Spirifing - but what if someone uses Fidgeting Writer, or expeditions, or spends long periods of time in Port Carnelian? You're saying favours are worth the EPA difference between favours grinds and a baseline grind, but that implies the baseline grind is a guaranteed income rather than a gain of a certain monetary value of items. And it's not at all guaranteed, for example when pursuing a personal goal (often costing other items) or experiencing seasonal content. So surely it makes more sense to say favours are worth the total gain in money via whichever favour-grind, which is x more than the gain from a normal grind?
One other nitpick: "you're including a step of a superior epa grind in the process" isn't accurate. You're including a step on which the one grind overlaps with a better grind; the step is required for both grinds.
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Optimatum
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9/3/2016
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Grenem wrote:
On topic stuff first: no matter how you calculate it, if you can consistently do the 3 supplies action, and fund them with docks favors and previously owned rostygold, expeditions have an average payout of 2.5 epa+. (the plus is based on whether you count the favors as actions- in which case it's 2.72 epa, or as currency, in which case it's ~2.55 epa) if you consistently do the rapid-progress option. Even the slow route has an average epa of 2.00+. However, this is card-based in that you need docks favors, so it can't be your sole grind.
I think I better understand how you value favours now; while I don't fully agree with the conclusions, I think it's clear that evaluating anything needing actions/cards to cash in is A Pain. Anyways, questions about Docks-based expeditions as you've clearly done the math already.
Is this 2.5+ EPA for Deep Blue Heaven? What's the average treasure value for those? How does the EPA change if you include gaining Rostygold, which iirc is best done through the Gang of Hoodlums card at 150 per action? One ending of The Gift adds a card which gives a Docks favour for a few Whispered Hints, any clue what the best way to get those is?
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