Lady Sebastian
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8/2/2016
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I was thoroughly wooed by the Quiet Deviless and the Affectionate Devil, but as our intimacy deepened they asked me for my soul. I suspect that if I were to comply to their wishes, it would potentially be my last interaction with them, which leads me to believe our entire relationship was just a ploy for my soul. However, in our previous excursions there seemed to be genuine affection and when refusing the Affectionate Devil's gifts he respectfully accepts rejection like a true gentleman. Now I am wondering if there was any bond at all or if they were only after me for my soul the entire time. Since I am not yet well educated on all the ways of Fallen London, I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter. Also please excuse me if I've misinterpreted the proper way to create posts as this is my first time.
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Jolanda Swan
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I found the gender roles quite appropriate for the time period. This is still the 19th century. A dangerous man in a Victorian novel is cruel, the hint of promised destruction clear in his eyes. A dangerous woman in a Victorian novel will look frail, write poetry, pine and eventually her softness will seduce you into annihilation; even as you perish, you will never be certain she did not love you after all. To me, the devils are playing the gendered roles their era demands - maybe even to the point of developing a semblance of feeling, the better to seduce you with.
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Lamia Lawless
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8/2/2016
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If you buy the Quiet Deviless with Fate she says some interesting things that do indicate she has real feelings for you. But unless and until you have the Fate, she likely just sees you as wrapping paper around the soul she's gonna get out of you. I can dig up that echo in my journal, if you like. (She's available as a Fate-locked companion either through the Western Tower lodging card, which you get when you have a guest room at the Brass Embassy, or during the Feast of the Exceptional Rose.)
As for the Affectionate Devil: [spoiler]
(These spoilers discuss things that happen and things the Devil says during the Intimate of Devils storyline, so avoid them if you don't want it spoiled for you)
You'll find his willingness to play the gentleman decreases the further you get in your relationship. If you invite him into your lodgings and refuse to hear his talk about Abstraction, there's a flash of real anger in his eyes, and he leaves you with a kiss on the cheek that leaves your skin numb for hours. Which is not something devil kisses normally do, so it was definitely either an intentional punishment or an unintentional mark of his anger.
Also, when you accept his gift, you'll notice he says, "I do hope this means you're considering allowing me to... so many others pursue me, you know." In other words, "You're special, but you're not THAT special, and if you don't give me what I want, I'll replace you with someone else."
But hey, hope springs eternal, and nothing's stopping you from writing fanfic where things are a little different.
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edited by Lamia Lawless on 8/2/2016
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Kukapetal
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8/2/2016
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It still bugs me that the Deviless is allowed to have feelings but the Devil isn't. Isn't the point of having a male and a female option so we can pursue a romance with the gender of our choice? And while I'm not saying the two characters should be interchangeable drones, personality wise, it does irk me that, just like with the Artist/Artist's Model, those who prefer the female character are allowed to have a deeper relationship, while those of us who prefer the male character are basically told "He's an *sshole. Sorry."
Both the Deviless and the Devil and wonderfully written characters and it would be great if the writers could throw a bone to both sets of fans, not just fans of the Deviless.
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Lamia Lawless
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8/2/2016
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I guess the writers thought introducing a new character with new art (the Green-Eyed Devil) would be more interesting than the Affectionate Devil.
Although, I like the Affectionate Devil, so I would have preferred him to the Green-Eyed Devil. (The Green-Eyed Devil just pisses Lamia off.)
Why not offer all three, then? More devil companions. More, I say.
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Shadowcthuhlu
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8/2/2016
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I would like the PM as well please.
Also, my own personal headcanon gives the Green Eyed Devil's statement a bit more affection. Only because his statement, I'm only interested in your soul" when he's obtained by a character with a stained soul a bit more confusing. Devils seem to be repulsed by the Mr. Eaten stains, so him claiming that he only wants your soul in those circumstances comes off as "Please Don't realize I actually like you."
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Kukapetal
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8/3/2016
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They were BOTH obviously manipulating the player character to get their soul, the devil using charm and the deviless using more subtle emotional manipulation (my friend and I joked that she probably has an entire room full of "beloved" pet bats hidden away somewhere and the current one always just so happens to die whenever she needs to set the hook and reel her latest dupe in). Remember that they BOTH drop you like a hot potato once they get what they want from you. The deviless wasn't kinder, that was merely the tactic she was using to woo the player.
Making her develop genuine feelings for the player character because she was popular IS fanservice. And that's okay. You act like you think I'm slamming the writers (if that's indeed what they did, I again admit to not knowing the history behind the choice to make her a companion), but I'm not. Fanservice can be enjoyable and getting her as a companion probably made many players quite happy. It didn't go against the lore (it has already been established that some devils DO fall in love), and they way it was revealed was consistent with her characterization. All this is fine, and I'm not slamming it. I just think they could have done something similar with the devil so his fans could be happy too. I'm sure there would be an in-character way to suggest that his affections might be genuine.
Also, sorry somebody called you an arrogant twat via private messages, but it wasn't me so I don't see why our discussion has to stop. It's your choice, however.
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Lamia Lawless
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8/3/2016
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Professor Sketch wrote:
Even if the Deviless is just manipulating the character, she never shows any hints of anger or hatred in her content, and so it's much easier to believe that she actually loves the character.
Actually, from what I recall, she's even more prone to hurting the player character than the Affectionate Devil is. Spoilers for An Intimate of Devils under the cut.
[spoiler]When she catches you bragging about your relationship with her to that society lady, she grabs you by the arm and digs her claws into you and burns you. Your Wounds go up.
The same thing happens when she catches you spying on her in her house, although I guess you could say that's warranted, compared to simply saying 'no' to an Abstraction with the Affectionate Devil.
She also invites you to a dangerously hot dance floor, and I don't remember her being a source of sympathy or aid when you fall and burn yourself. And then she invites you to the Prickfinger Wastes, which is also incredibly dangerous.
The Affectionate Devil's invitations look tame in comparison: A boat ride where he protects you from river monsters. Dinner at the Long Spoon. A dinner party (where he cries in humiliation if you give him bad tips for appetizers and his society acquaintances reject him). Opera. Helping him pick out a cravat. But then he invites you to a party and ends up drugging you, so there's that. Plus the punishing kiss that steals all the heat from your cheek.
I'm not arguing against the idea that she's capable of kindness or love, though. I just find it interesting to pore over the details offered in the game and go back and forth over the 'what ifs.'
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PJ
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8/3/2016
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It occurs to me that, given what we know about the true nature of devilz, there's a real possibility that all the devils in London are actually female.
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Lamia Lawless
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I interpret her bringing you to dangerous places as tests. Devils love knowing that you know they're dangerous, and that the temptation is still great enough for you to take the risk anyway. She wants to see what lengths you'll go to to get close to her, and what you're willing to do. That's what I think, anyway.
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
8/2/2016
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Because nothing pleases fans of a character more than being given a completely different character we don't know instead, right? :P
But yes, I agree. Offer all three and everyone's happy.
EDIT: besides, the Green-Eyed devil doesn't have feelings for the player either. Though I appreciate that he's honest about it :P
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A Dimness
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8/2/2016
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It's safe to say they were only ever after your soul. Sorry, chap, but that's the way devils are. They scheme and they ploy and they're terribly charming, but in the end, they all just see you as a sacrificial lamb.
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Lady Sebastian
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8/2/2016
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Thank you so much for these responses. I had really hoped there was something more to this than a simple soul extraction, but I am happy to hear there is a way to further your relationship with the Quiet Deviless (although I favored the Affectionate Devil). Sadly I won't be able to play it, but it's nice to know it's out there.
tsukinofaerii wrote:
I was deeply disappointed when I mislaid my soul that one time and they both vanished from my deck forever. I'd be very much for collecting more Devilish companions. Ideally, I'd also like a thread that would allow me to keep the Quiet Deviless and/or Affectionate Devil in my opportunity deck as a nominal value "remember when" sort of card. The Struggling Artist won't stop harassing me for jade and I have to actively dissuade the Jewel Thief, but I can't even see my favorite Devils for tea now and then? 
I completely agree with this. The relationship storylet for the Struggling Artist and/or his model was brief and not particularly interesting to me. On the other hand the devils were extremely endearing (until the last bit) and I want to know more about them. I really hope they make a reocurring devil who you will be able to have a real relationship with along.
Also Lamia, if you are still giving out echos I would love some.
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tsukinofaerii
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I was deeply disappointed when I mislaid my soul that one time and they both vanished from my deck forever. I'd be very much for collecting more Devilish companions. Ideally, I'd also like a thread that would allow me to keep the Quiet Deviless and/or Affectionate Devil in my opportunity deck as a nominal value "remember when" sort of card. The Struggling Artist won't stop harassing me for jade and I have to actively dissuade the Jewel Thief, but I can't even see my favorite Devils for tea now and then?
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Fadewalker
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Lamia Lawless wrote:
If you buy the Quiet Deviless with Fate she says some interesting things that do indicate she has real feelings for you. But unless and until you have the Fate, she likely just sees you as wrapping paper around the soul she's gonna get out of you. I can dig up that echo in my journal, if you like. (She's available as a Fate-locked companion either through the Western Tower lodging card, which you get when you have a guest room at the Brass Embassy, or during the Feast of the Exceptional Rose.)
I played the Pygmalion storylet before the Intimate of Devils, so I was oddly delighted to see how well they wear their make up and open my heart like a surgeon, with scalpels of wit and etiquette. Outstanding students of human society, after all. With the self-awareness of wrapping paper, I enjoyed their company as free shows, and was almost always marvelling at the acting, but it upsets me a little if the deviless can have some real feelings for me...I feel like a jerk, slightly.
(Could you please send me a PM of the text? Thank you!)
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Both the Deviless and the Devil and wonderfully written characters and it would be great if the writers could throw a bone to both sets of fans, not just fans of the Deviless.
I partly agree with the idea that "female characters are less likely to be jerks"... yes, more and better male romance companions, please. But it'd be kinda weird to see all devils (that we encounter directly) can be kind. That's...too good to be devils. (And maybe the only "good male" devil is monopolied by the Sardonic Music-Hall Singer. Blame her. Though I still doubt his intention.)
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Vavakx Nonexus
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I would be quite interested in seeing that particular echo, as buying Feast companions is not a thing one often does.
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Emain Ablach
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8/2/2016
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Don't trust the devils. They are only after your soul, and they are really good at faking being interested in the person instead of his or her soul. Sorry. :/
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absimiliard
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8/3/2016
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I'd rate that highly likely PJ.
I find the idea that Devils enjoy knowing you want them so much that you will undergo terrible dangers intriguing. It's something my character would very much understand, wanting to be wanted.
But, I wonder, is it really that? Is it the proof of temptation, or is it that escalating proofs are an excellent way to condition someone to give in to in increasing ways? The goal being something leading to a willing abstraction obviously.
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Johny Topside
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As long as we're talking about Devils and romance, what's the deal with that one deviless in the Flit who's trying to seduce a rubbery? It's very likely not for their soul. Do Rubberies even have souls? I'm pretty sure souls are mostly a people thing. On the whole, devils seem to range from apathetic to disgusted by rubberies, so why is this one so different?
I ask because she is one of the three devilesses who, to my knowledge, show something like love (or something more than soul greed)
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Eglantine-Fox
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8/2/2016
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Lamia Lawless wrote:
I guess the writers thought introducing a new character with new art (the Green-Eyed Devil) would be more interesting than the Affectionate Devil.
Although, I like the Affectionate Devil, so I would have preferred him to the Green-Eyed Devil. (The Green-Eyed Devil just pisses Lamia off.)
Why not offer all three, then? More devil companions. More, I say.
Yes, more devil companions. Devil companions are fun. We should be able to collect a coterie of them. <3
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Mikarissa
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8/4/2016
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I'd like a PM about the Queit Deviless' fate-locked content, too, if the offer still stands. About the Green-Eyed Devil's as well, if anyone would be so kind?
Jolanda Swan wrote:
I found the gender roles quite appropriate for the time period. This is still the 19th century. A dangerous man in a Victorian novel is cruel, the hint of promised destruction clear in his eyes. A dangerous woman in a Victorian novel will look frail, write poetry, pine and eventually her softness will seduce you into annihilation; even as you perish, you will never be certain she did not love you after all. To me, the devils are playing the gendered roles their era demands - maybe even to the point of developing a semblance of feeling, the better to seduce you with.
Ohh, I agree! This is beautifully said, and the last part about the "semblance of feeling" is precisely what I was thinking about on the matter, but struggled to put into words.
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Eglantine-Fox
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Johny Topside wrote:
As long as we're talking about Devils and romance, what's the deal with that one deviless in the Flit who's trying to seduce a rubbery? It's very likely not for their soul. Do Rubberies even have souls? I'm pretty sure souls are mostly a people thing. On the whole, devils seem to range from apathetic to disgusted by rubberies, so why is this one so different?
I ask because she is one of the three devilesses who, to my knowledge, show something like love (or something more than soul greed) Clearly she has a thing for tentacles. XD
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Siobhan O'Malley, Irish patriot (or 'bl__dy Fenian' if you're impolite).
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suinicide
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8/2/2016
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I would appreciate a PM too.
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A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence.
RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Fadewalker
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Wait. I don't mean to show racism against devils!  It is comforting to see even devils may encounter some accidental beautiful sentiments, I agree. I'd say if it's a fans service, or something accidental, it should be... apparently occasional. At present, these are the only devils we can be personally close to; it would be misleading to find all of them sharing true sensitivity to human. Maybe the whole figure of devilkind would be a little different unless FBG confirm it's a fans service. It might be hopeful if we require some future devil characters randomly show a little kindness, though.
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Lamia Lawless
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I don't know if she's kinder so much as affectedly feminine. She's a devil and female, so I suspect she's constrained to be especially careful to come across as lady-like and innocent. Her interest in poetry does raise questions, though, especially when you compare it to the Absconding Devil's talent as a sketch artist. I never went "all the way" with her (Lamia prefers loquacious company. The quiet deviless's reticence made her uneasy) so I suppose I'm missing information.
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