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Absintheuse
Absintheuse
Posts: 348

7/29/2016
We will be retiring 'reminiscing about ambitions' next week, as this feature now overlaps with journals. This is due to our ongoing work to improve the journal functionality within the game. We've already made some fixes that have gone in, and will be continuing to work on it in the future.
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Meradine Heidenreich
Meradine Heidenreich
Posts: 571

7/29/2016
Erm... since there was this very useful feature that recorded the ambition content without my having to do anything, I didn't actually record it myself. I trust what is there now will remain?

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Parelle
Parelle
Posts: 1084

7/29/2016
That's a shame, I actually liked everything being so nicely collected together. Journals are so disorganized, and content like ambitions and dreams, which develop over time, are hard to follow.

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TheThirdPolice
TheThirdPolice
Posts: 609

7/29/2016
Meradine Heidenreich wrote:
Erm... since there was this very useful feature that recorded the ambition content without my having to do anything, I didn't actually record it myself. I trust what is there now will remain?


I hope so. As someone who quit the game half a dozen times, reminiscing was the only way to remember what I was doing when I returned.

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Lady Sapho Byron
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Posts: 806

7/29/2016
I, like others in this thread, like having all my Ambition "notes" neatly bundled in one place. Also, I know I did not echo some of them into my journal and I shouldn't like to lose them when 'reminiscing about ambitions' disappears.

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PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1366

7/31/2016
I didn't Echo any of my Ambition, specifically because of the Reminisce feature--I didn't want to clutter my journal with content that I knew would be kept safe elsewhere. I would like to not lose access to those records. Is there some way they can be retroactively merged into my journal? I now that's a big request, but I made decisions about what to journal based on the presence of this feature.

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Zero
Zero
Posts: 136

7/30/2016
I liked reminiscing. The Ambition is so long and convoluted I often forget what I was doing. Instead of retiring it, I'd like to see a similar system for other long plotlines, like the Affair of the Box...

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Adrian123124
Adrian123124
Posts: 5

8/6/2016
I would like to just add myself to the list of people here, who would prefer the functionality of Reminiscing to stay. Ambitions are (probably?) the longest storylines in the game (and they guide you since the start to the moment you have very high stats) and it would be useful to remember what exactly happened before.

My journal is full of a lot of useless entries that I recorded before I realised I should record only the most interesting storylines, so it would be hard to find this information without something like "Reminiscing About Ambitions".

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Sir Goomy
Sir Goomy
Posts: 111

8/8/2016
What Swinging Dove (and others too) is/are saying.

It should stay/be remade. And if it does go, then I do hope the journal gets a really nice rehaul that makes back tracking way easier.

Cus' you know, the thought of going through 300+ and more journal pages, so one can read a tiny snippet of story in the hopes to remember what the bloomers had happend and they were doing before...is...mmm, uh-uh not cool.

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Rainette
Rainette
Posts: 5

9/8/2016
Journals are an unsearchable mess. I cannot fathom how you could believe that retiring the Reminiscing about Ambition in favour of the journal, without making serious upgrades to the journal system, is a good idea.

Having played 2 years, I have some 147 journal entries to wade through. I am pretty sure I haven't recorded my ambition snippets amongst any of them, as others have mentioned, because of the now defunct feature. I know, having browsed other profiles, that my 147 journal entries are in the low end.

Do you have plans for making the journal better? You have not mentioned any such in your announcement, but I am sure that I am not the only one wondering.
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vinceren
vinceren
Posts: 53

11/17/2017
I joined Fallen London after this feature was removed, but please put it back I have the memory of a goldfish.

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Swinging Dove
Swinging Dove
Posts: 24

8/8/2016
Yeah, I think the "Reminiscing" option is pretty nice as well, and shouldn't be retired - maybe remade or something?

I actually think the option to reminisce would be useful for all major storylines, in case people forget to mark stuff in their journal (like me!), although I suppose that would be a bit too much to ask for.

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Bertrand Leonidas Poole
Bertrand Leonidas Poole
Posts: 335

7/29/2016
Absintheuse wrote:
The Master wrote:
Will it return? I guess yes judging by what you said at the end but it isn't completely clear.



The specific 'reminiscing about ambitions' feature will not return, but you ​will​ be able to save content as normal through the journal feature. Hope this clarifies it!


So you're the one that broke all my plain-text snippet links with this ContentID nonsense?
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 Saklad
Saklad
Posts: 528

8/23/2016
Are we now reminiscing about reminiscing about Ambitions?

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Kukapetal
Kukapetal
Posts: 1454

7/30/2016
Nothing ever happened when I clicked on mine anyway. I couldn't tell if it was broken or if I was doing something stupid :P
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Meradine Heidenreich
Meradine Heidenreich
Posts: 571

7/30/2016
Kukapetal wrote:
Nothing ever happened when I clicked on mine anyway. I couldn't tell if it was broken or if I was doing something stupid :P


It takes an age to load for me, too -- certainly long enough to conclude it's broken.

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Akernis
Akernis
Posts: 265

8/11/2016
I can only echo (no pun intended) what my exceptionally delicious friends have said.
I too would like the feature to stay, it was wonderful to have all the memories of the Ambition collected neatly in one place. The journal feels really disjointed and it's hard to find what you are looking for, especially if have forgotten when you played it or what the journal entry was called. And I always regret when I forget to Echo something, especially as I only discovered that I could save the pages to the journal two-thirds into my playthrough and have thus lost everything before that.
It was such a relief to find that the Ambition had automatically been saved. I would really wish for a similar system that automatically recorded all your stories (or at least the major and Exceptional ones) under the 'Stories' quality in the inventory. It would be so much easier to find what you were looking for and not having to worry about remembering to record something while engrossed in the glorious stories themselves.
I'd pray to the Bazaar (or Storm, Stone, Salt, the Judgements etc.) that something along those lines be implemented.

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Iskandryu
Iskandryu
Posts: 8

8/18/2016
Actually the automatic reminiscing to all the stories would be preferable to "improving" the journal. I'm thinking that the journal can only be really improved by making it a "wiki" of sorts. Based on hyperlinks and indexes. Something like what TES: Morrowind had. And to do that with the insane amount of text this game has would be quite an organizational chore. But actually adding an automatic indexing to every important story in the game, that the player can access by Reminiscing, would be much easier.

Of course the link and index based journal would be much better, as this way you can easily find specific parts of the story, but I do imagine it would also be very hard to do that for everything
edited by Iskandryu on 8/18/2016
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Alyndah
Alyndah
Posts: 21

7/30/2018
The journals are really hard to use. I find it almost impossible to find information I put in there once it's no longer in the first couple of pages. It'd be nice to be able to tag journal entries with labels for the events they're from to make more cohesive stories to look back on and to find the information you need from something half finished you're going back to.
edited by Alyndah on 7/30/2018
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Hammond
Hammond
Posts: 42

12/7/2016
Well... damn it all. I really need to check the forums more often. Please, please don't remove the "Reminiscing" feature. If I had a say I would rather see the "Journal" thrown to the Hyenas. The journal is... okay, it can definitely be better. But Reminiscing was so clean! So simple! If I had the ability to I would make it so that every quality giving storylet would have a "Reminiscing" feature, at the very least the Exceptional Stories; doing that seems like it would solve the "problems" of Spoilers on mantelpieces and people that are dissatisfied that they cant review the content once the story is over. I'm yelling at a corpse, aren't I? Oh well... Prost to better Journals I guess.

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NotaWalrus
NotaWalrus
Posts: 451

12/8/2016
Hammond wrote:
Well... damn it all. I really need to check the forums more often. Please, please don't remove the "Reminiscing" feature. If I had a say I would rather see the "Journal" thrown to the Hyenas. The journal is... okay, it can definitely be better. But Reminiscing was so clean! So simple! If I had the ability to I would make it so that every quality giving storylet would have a "Reminiscing" feature, at the very least the Exceptional Stories; doing that seems like it would solve the "problems" of Spoilers on mantelpieces and people that are dissatisfied that they cant review the content once the story is over. I'm yelling at a corpse, aren't I? Oh well... Prost to better Journals I guess.



It is already removed, much to my chagrin. I have absolutely no clue what my ambition entailed and now way to find out, something about a singer, by the looks of the storylets I've unlocked, but I started the thing ages ago.

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 Saklad
Saklad
Posts: 528

8/23/2016
Please, PLEASE add a search bar to the Journal.

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sosisqua
sosisqua
Posts: 120

8/13/2016
Any chance you'd add filtering to journal since as for now it's just an utter wall of text?

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Soaleanmonterey
Soaleanmonterey
Posts: 5

8/8/2016
Just want to add myself to the growing list of "Reminiscing about Ambitions" supporters.

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Luminen Walker
Luminen Walker
Posts: 172

8/8/2016
It would be nice that if it is to be retired that it be replaced with a similar feature so one can keep track of what they've done and what they're on track to do in their ambitions.

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Jamilah S. Wolf
Jamilah S. Wolf
Posts: 122

12/9/2016
I found the reminisce feature useful. The journal is rather cluttered and would be much more functional with a search option.

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Treadwheel
Treadwheel
Posts: 5

4/28/2021
1734 days later and journals are still an unreadable mess, while there's no replacement to the reminisce feature.

I know that I made several attempts to re-enter Fallen London over the last several years, and in every single instance I was put off by not being able to jog my memory of the big story beats of what I was doing. I suspect that there's a lot of people like me, who left during the content drought, and want to come back, but don't want to come back to a game where they have no idea what's going on. This costs Failbetter money and it robs the community of enthusiastic players. We're all worse off.


Worse, for those of us who played while "reminisce" was available, we would deliberately have left out echoes of important content, thinking we'd just be duplicating entries.

Hacky routes like using Wiki as fodder to google other people's echoes are awful. Making alts takes months to catch up and discourages people who don't want to start over.


I want to give Failbetter the benefit on the doubt here, but I can't help but notice that the only option for returning players to catch up on ambitions now rings in at 7.30 GBP, or $11.11 USD.

Please at least let us search or sort our journals. Even if you have to change it so collated entries aren't public, it would make the game so much more accessible and stop driving returning players away. And please, give us back reminiscing.
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phryne
phryne
Posts: 1491

5/2/2021
Huey wrote:
Treadwheel wrote:
Making alts takes months to catch up and discourages people who don't want to start over.

Seconded. I have eventually decided to going down this route, because I like the game and my old character was halfway through SMEN regardless, but not remembering much of my ambition put me off quite a bit from returning.

You know, early last year when the release of the Ambition final chapters was announced many players had this problem, and not just returning ones. It had been so long since the last Ambition update that even players who've been around all the time couldn't remember everything that had happened. That's why I endeavoured to write a summary of each Ambition in this thread. Unfortunately, RL constraints kept me from finishing the project but at least Bag a Legend and Nemesis are there. Maybe somebody else can still do the other two?

I know this is only a workaround and not a real solution but maybe it's just about enough to jog people's memories.

Btw, has anyone emailed FB about this issue recently? They don't look at every thread on the forums so they're not guaranteed to see the complaints here.

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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2754

8/23/2016
Jeremy Saklad wrote:
Are we now reminiscing about reminiscing about Ambitions?


Metareminisces--I love the idea!
edited by cathyr19355 on 8/23/2016

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Barse
Barse
Posts: 707

9/8/2016
Rainette wrote:
I cannot fathom how you could believe that retiring the Reminiscing about Ambition in favour of the journal, without making serious upgrades to the journal system, is a good idea.
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Do you have plans for making the journal better? You have not mentioned any such in your announcement, but I am sure that I am not the only one wondering.

The announcement at the start of this thread does in fact say that this precipitates an effort to "improve the journal functionality" and that retiring Reminiscing is part of this "ongoing effort". It is inconvenient for now, agreed, but hopefully all that this means is that Journals will get an update and become more user-friendly in the near future.

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Docteur
Docteur
Posts: 101

8/7/2016
Oh no, it was incredibly useful! It had everything together in one place, easy to read. The journal is hard to browse, in my opinion!

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The Master
The Master
Posts: 804

7/29/2016
Will it return? I guess yes judging by what you said at the end but it isn't completely clear.

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maricolous
maricolous
Posts: 56

7/29/2016
Oh, huh. Okay.
It was sort of a redundant feature but admittedly it was a little useful before I had really figured out journaling. I didn't journal a lot of the early stages of my ambition because at the time I didn't really know how important it was for recordkeeping. Oh well! Not a lot lost, altogether.

I'm excited to see the new features though! I'm sure whatever is coming will be pretty great.

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Amelia Syrus
Amelia Syrus
Posts: 626

7/30/2016
This might be a problem since I'm very forgetful and sometimes use it to keep track of what I've done so far for Ambition. I may have to start saving snippets in a doc now unless the journals will have something to compensate for this.

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