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Professor Strix
Professor Strix
Posts: 616

7/24/2016
Professor Sketch wrote:
While I mostly agree what you've said, I think that even a well written character who has extremely over the top traits can be considered a Mary Sue. A character in a story taking place in medieval England who rails against Christianity and stands valiantly up for gay rights can be very compelling, very well written, and develop over the course of the plot, but it doesn't change the fact that, were their character written logically, they would be burned at the stake. Therefore, they are still a Mary Sue. An example outside of just historical accuracy would be a very well written character who is the son of a character in the original author's world that would have no reason to have a son. Sure, Jesus having a kid who goes on to prevent the Crusades from ever happening is quite an interesting story, but nevertheless Savior Jr.'s name will always be Mary Sue Christ.


My fellow professor, it's the first time I see someone using this definition for Mary Sue, and for good reason: "Mary Sue" is a label hurled at a badly written character. If a character is good, it's not a Mary Sue. What you are describing can be either described as "historically inaccurate", in the case of the black viking and the medieval gay rights activist or a "canon-breaker" in the case of the son of Christ, but they are not bad characters (thus not Mary Sues) by themselves. There is this big genre called Fantasy, which have a subgenre called Alternative History, in which those characters would fit in without any major issue.

Personally, I tried to make a typology of Mary Sues in the article I linked in my sleep haze last night, trying to find objective criteria in the character itself that could lead them to be labeled a "Mary Sue", but it's an old article. The more I age, the more I frequent forums and talk with writers and critics, the more I'm convinced that things work like that:

If I don't like the book or the author, it's a "historical inaccuracy", if I like the book/author, it's an "artistic license".

If I like the character or the author, it's a "wish-fulfillment character". If I don't like them for whatever pet peeve I might have against them, it's a "Mary Sue".

That said, I would argue that yes, as I discussed in my old article, the worst the writing, the easier for a character to be labeled a Mary Sue. Maybe there is a bonus dash of underlying sexism in the fact that characters that fulfill female fantasies are always Mary Sues, while characters that fulfill male fantasies are simply "awesome", but it's a discussion for another topic. Maybe we should create a topic for discussion of Mary-Sueness? It does interest roleplayers, and I don't think it would be too off-topic in this forum, maybe in the Surface sub-forum.


Edit: caught typos and incorrectly-used words.
edited by Professor Strix on 7/24/2016

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Eglantine-Fox
Eglantine-Fox
Posts: 872

7/24/2016
Black Viking isn't actually as good an example: there's historical precedent for that. Not least because the Vikings traded so far afield, brought thralls home, and some of those thralls made new Viking-lets along the way. wink There's historical precedent for a lot of things, if you look hard enough, past the layers of it being buried under 'would never happen.'

The past isn't always as cut-and-dried as it seems, and there have been real historical people whose views or existence seem to contradict what is widely considered possible for their era.
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Amelia Syrus
Amelia Syrus
Posts: 626

7/24/2016
I personally like the professor's article on Mary Sue and Kukapetal summed it up well. But generally the term Mary Sue has changed from "that one Star Trek fanfic character who encompassed perfection and became the anti-thesis for original characters" to "this poorly developed character without any flaws" or "this poorly developed character that is only focused on a love interest." Though your mileage may vary on that since different circles carry different weights on what exactly is a Mary Sue and even by the core definition oddly goes against more popular characters in media.

Though if we're just focusing on roleplaying here than I feel like a lot of characters are going to encompass at least 1 Mary Sue trait given the setting of Fallen London. The player character is practically a special snowflake that somehow beats a lot of odds and can manage a lot. You can write out a lot and change it to suit your character. But there's going to be some odd discrepancies on the overall story. It also helps to keep in mind that those who start roleplaying or those who just started writing tend to write Mary Sues. They just started, they don't really know the basic rules and are still learning and developing. The best anyone can do for beginners is just help them and allow them to develop their character the way they see fit.

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Sir Goomy
Sir Goomy
Posts: 111

7/24/2016
1) Loves ravens and everything raven related. Has a set of bedroom blankets and pillowcases with raven illustations on them. They are very scandalous.

2) Rarely gives or answers to his real name(Edwyn Groom), instead he prefers to be called by his moniker "Goomy".

3) Was once the Royal Spy Master and Court Scholar of a certain Eastern European nation. He does not miss that part of his life.

4) With the help of devils and arcania found in the Neath, he has written a song and has sent the text into the future. The song will be a cult hit in the unimanigable year of 2016. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTvOKp0j7y8) He was very honey-addled when he wrote it.

5)He has dipped his fingers into the fountains of madness and has drunk from the river of insanity. Biscuits speak the best secrets. Never trust a crumpet though.

6) Has the most glorious moustache and goatee in the whole Neath. So divine his facial hair is, that the mear sight of it has made people pledge their worship and lives to it/him. The Bearded and the Unshaven as they come to be known, lurk in London's shadow of the shadows, waiting for their time to come, waiting for his word to be given. Oh, and his moustaches always smell of peppermint and no one knows why, not even him.

7)Loves to draw and paint. Especially naked...things. Rubberies are his number one cliental.
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Eglantine-Fox
Eglantine-Fox
Posts: 872

7/24/2016
The Vikings, as the word for Norsemen going a-viking, sure did kill people (though not mercilessly, they actually took a bunch of captives for ransom or for sale), but they also settled in a bunch of places, and traded in a tonne more. There are runes that say 'Halfdan wrote this' on the Hagia Sophia. They traded with the Byzantine Empire, which was multi-ethnic and spawned by the Roman Empire which was even more so - black legionaries are an attested fact, and they served their time in the army because at the end they became citizens, and could settle wherever in that wide, wide empire. And the Vikings did encounter the Moors, and visit Morocco. Eric the Red, in fact, had a navigator called Thorhall who was described as 'swarthy' and "a large man, and strong, black and like a giant." Who was well acquainted with uncharted parts.

Books are full of the rare and unlikely. It just depends what sort thereof a reader is willing to accept. (Is Patroclus a Sue because he has sex with Achilles? Alexander the Great must be a Sue, look at him taming that horse and conquering so much land!)

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Shadowcthuhlu
Shadowcthuhlu
Posts: 1557

7/24/2016
I for one would totally pick to play a black viking in a rp as a love letter to all the terrible movies and books that have had black vikings.

As for the mary sue, I believe the simple definition of "perfect at everything" or "has the whole world revolves around them" is perfect for the Fallen London Roleplay. Quite a few characters here are canon-breakers (myself included) partially due the rules of what's possible and what's not being pretty damn obscure. However, I like to think we have all presented some pretty compelling characters.
(For those worrying that they have created mary-sues, chant the following phrase: "Relax, it's just a roleplay.")

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Appolonia
Appolonia
Posts: 248

7/24/2016
Seven facts about Appolonia

1. She is from Bavaria, and came to the Neath following her father, a very talented violin player. He is not her mother’s husband, who was the Herzog von Ravenscroft.


2. She is best known as a composer of operas, and of other music, poetry, and short stories. Her most recent opera was called The Drowning Feast. She has performed at Mahogany Hall as an opera singer, and as a ballerina. She is a strictly mediocre violin player.


3. She owns a newspaper that is more like a literary magazine. It is called The Winding Sheet. Most content is presented in the format of fictional obituaries, for people, ideas, or fashions.


4. She enjoys many Bohemian pursuits, including honey dreaming and drinking absinthe. But, she still attends mass daily at the cathedral of St. Fiacre.


5. She is a scholar of dreams, and a student of the correspondence.


6. She has a luxuriantly-coiffed sorrow spider that functions as a chaperone and bodyguard. She also is presently training a small family of sorrow spider hatchlings to some purpose. Her name is whispered – chittered? – in the Observatory and at Saviour’s Rocks.


7. She has been seen with several gentleman suitors in the last year, but she has never been engaged or married.


(And, of course, she enjoys chess and conversation if anyone is using this thread to look for folks to roleplay with.)

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Lamia Lawless
Lamia Lawless
Posts: 604

7/25/2016
Eglantine-Fox wrote:

The past isn't always as cut-and-dried as it seems, and there have been real historical people whose views or existence seem to contradict what is widely considered possible for their era.



Yeah, exactly this.

I think whenever we try for pure historical accuracy we set ourselves up for the Tiffany Problem.

"Walton" wrote:
Tiffany is a real attested medieval name, it's a variant of Theophania, it appears in twelfth century documents from Britain and France, and you cannot give it as a name to a character in a historical or fantasy setting because it looks too horribly modern.


What we "know" about the Victorian era is that it's stuffy, repressed, and bigoted. But that's a broad generalization and doesn't cover a lot of nuances. And in any era, there were always people who went against the grain, and people who managed to live happily as they were. Just look at the Ladies of Llangollen. They were a couple, everyone in their life knew they were a couple, and this was treated as normal by their friends.

There are a lot of things we assume wouldn't be possible in the Victorian era, that were. And there are things that are still disputed among historians, so to go ahead and set limits based on something even professionals can't be sure of isn't a good idea, in my opinion. And while I personally like to do my research and incorporate what I learn into roleplays, I don't think the average roleplayer should need a degree in history before they're allowed to create a character.


Fallen London's canon diverges from our history in many ways, too. There are same gender couples, and they're never remarked upon as taboo or special cases. Oscar Wilde disappeared due to Mysterious Circumstances brought about by Mr. Pages, so we can assume being sent to prison for having relationships with other men didn't happen. And it's possible to be openly acknowledged as a nonbinary person in FL canon. There's also no electricity or automobiles, even though there would have been both of those things by 1894. (And people go around calling each other 'dapper,' even though that term doesn't come about until the 20s. I blame the devils.)


And, to be perfectly honest, I would not want to roleplay in a setting where the roles I could play were limited by the biases of the time. There are players from all backgrounds, and to tell them, "Sorry, you can't play a character who's too much like you. People like you were not historically accurate/could only be servants/had to live in secrecy and shame," would be doing them a huge disservice, and in effect be exclusionary to those players. This is obviously something that Failbetter's writers themselves realized a long time ago, which is why we're able to play the game the way we can to begin with.
edited by Lamia Lawless on 7/25/2016

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absimiliard
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7/25/2016
Well said. Thank you.

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Lamia Lawless
Lamia Lawless
Posts: 604

7/25/2016
Professor Sketch wrote:

For the most part, I agree with everything you've said - historical inaccuracies are, for the most part, quite acceptable in the world of Fallen London because it is contains an alternate history and has appropriate reasons for why exactly it is an alternate history. However, I disagree with the notion that writers of interactive fiction should pander to players by loosening the rules of their world or otherwise changing it just so that the player may create a character more like him or herself. Creators of videogames and writers of interactive fiction should, to an extent, pander to their audience, of course - creators should always follow feedback and, if they hope to make money, make their product as appealing to the user as possible. However, I don't think that a writer of a story taking place in the 1800's should have to change the rules of their story just so that a player is able to RP a 21st Century character (themselves) in that world. Personally, I also disapprove of RPers or writers basing characters too much off of themselves in the first place. That doesn't train you to become a better writer - you're just writing a character you already know. In fact, a character you know better than anyone. Writing a character unlike you, in an environment with laws to which you must adhere and adapt, helps you grow as a writer. There is no point whatsoever in writing anything, from RP to fanfiction all the way to novel, if you do not grow as a writer, just as there is no point in publishing anything if your audience does not, in some way, grow as a person.
Forgive the rants - I'm one quarter into a cappuccino and two into an all-nighter.
(On second thought, forgive most of the above. I forget sometimes that, while this is also a story, it is still a game, and many people simply play it as such. Those people most definitely should be allowed to play themselves if they so wish. Nevertheless, I still discourage RPers and writers from doing so.)


I'm not suggesting that Failbetter should change the canon to fit the roleplayers. Actually, I think that Failbetter already did change some things in Fallen London to make it more welcoming to different players (I mean, players of the game in general, not roleplayers) of their own volition, which is something I appreciate. They used to use the word 'the Orient' more often. It was more historically accurate, but it made a lot of players uncomfortable, so they changed it. Whether or not they should have done that is a different conversation (personally, I'm glad they did.) And more recently, they incorporated the ability to choose different gender neutral forms of address.

I don't mean writing self-inserts or 21st century characters. I mean that minorities should be able to play minorities, and excluding them on the basis of 'historical accuracy' would most likely end up being historically inaccurate, and it would be exclusionary. To me, that's not worth it. At all. And I have spent real life money on books to brush up on Victorian history, so it's not as if I don't care about historical accuracy.

I think that there sums up a major divergence in how we approach roleplay. Roleplaying is a hobby for me. I roleplay for fun, not to improve my writing skills. You did amend what you said, so I see you acknowledge that not everybody roleplays for the same reasons. But, yeah, if I want to write a historically accurate novel, I'll do that. If I want to do FL RP, that's a separate thing for me. I think things go a lot more smoothly when we're up front about why we roleplay, and what we're hoping to get out of it.
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Eglantine-Fox
Eglantine-Fox
Posts: 872

7/25/2016
Rather a lot of successful writers take traits from themselves, and use them to give a character a grounding in something realistic. Read author interviews, half of them will talk about how their life experiences shaped the story and characters.

Writer McWriter Dude makes a book about a military character, and uses his own military experience to give it depth. Such realism! So gritty! So knowledgeable!

I, a Humble Queer, write a queer character, knowing we've always been around, knowing we've been underrepresented and our voices stifled, and use my emotions as fuel. So lazy! Mary Sue! Write someone more different, you hack!

Pfffffffft. Whatever. smile

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Lamia Lawless
Lamia Lawless
Posts: 604

7/25/2016
I don't really want to derail the thread any further, so I'm gonna check out of this conversation. I really should have made a new thread or something. (Although, I think I've said everything I wanted to say anyway.)

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Eglantine-Fox
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Posts: 872

7/25/2016
Ditto. Any further posts will be character facts.

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Lamia Lawless
Lamia Lawless
Posts: 604

7/25/2016
7 facts about Sakhi:

1. She met Lamia when she was working her way through the Labyrinth. Lamia won her over with excessive poetry, all tiger-themed, of course. The first poem Lamia recited for her was William Blake's poem, "The Tiger."

2. Lamia wrote "What I Know of Love is Blood and Mother's Milk" for Sakhi to celebrate her third birthday. Since the subject deals with Love, it's not to be published for public consumption. Wouldn't want the Bazaar's agents to find it. Only two copies exist: One for Lamia, and one for Sakhi.

3. Sakhi wants to go to Port Carnelian someday. London is too crowded and sooty for her.

4. She loves topaz, because it matches her eyes.

5. She's still a fairly young adult, and she acts her age.

6. She splits her time between the Labyrinth of Tigers and Parabola when she's not with Lamia. Some parts of Lamia's townhouse are accessible to Sakhi via a strategically placed mirror.

7. Sakhi has a taste for court politics and gossip, even humans' court politics.
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Johny Topside
Johny Topside
Posts: 46

7/25/2016
1. Johny wears a mask, that mask may change appearances depending on when you meet him.


  • 2. He changes his name depending on the context he introduces himself in (posh circumstances 'Jonathan", average folk "John" or "Johny", revolutionary sorts or those of shadier backgrounds "Johny" exclusively). His last name isn't Topside but he won't be drawn on what it actually is.

    3. He's afraid of dying and despite all the Londoners telling him its "perfectly fine" he refuses to meet the Boatman. Learning of the Judgements did not alleviate this fear in the slightest.

    4. He's almost obsessive over the Correspondence. The whole "(hu)man(ity) wasn't meant to ---" mystique only drawing him in further. This curiosity overshadows the fear of a fiery howling death.

    5. He once wrote satires against Court and Society, however, his enthusiasm was dampened significantly following his eviction from Court. He picked up the pen again temporarily during the election.

    6. Playing into his fear of death, he's very hesitant when it comes to killing in the permanent sense, over the course of his life in the Neath he's become somewhat adept at killing "only slightly".

    7. He loves the Elder Continent, Stone especially. If possible he'd move London further south. He dislikes the Gracious intensely for the fact that they won't let him in very far or very often.

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    Lord Hattie
    Lord Hattie
    Posts: 15

    7/26/2016
    1: William Masters has a nickname: Hattie. It comes from his days attending Cambridge University, and was gained as a result of a dare to steal the hats off the heads of some visiting Fellows of the College.

    2: William Masters is an actual Lord, with his father having been a member of the House of Lords prior to the fall. He doesn't like to talk about his title, although sources in the Neath do know it.

    3. William is a widower. Indeed, he has remained almost entirely untroubled by romance since the death of his wife, Emily, due to childbirth.

    4. Despite an outward display of bravado, good nature and cheer, William is deeply troubled by depression. It is an open secret that he is deeply melancholy when not in public, and has occasionally, whilst deep in the cups, elucidated on why he is in such a position.

    5. William recently started a Newspaper, The Fallen London Illuminator. He bases its journalism on that of the Manchester Guardian, a surface publication of which he was an avid reader and supporter.

    6. This is more a meta-secret than an in character one. Lord Hattie was brought down to the Neath due to his pursuit of the man who had murdered his daughter, Annabelle Masters. Every action he has taken has, in some way, shape or form, been to further his search for this man. Were he to actually encounter him, Lord Hattie would ask him why he did it, and then quite brutally and permanently murder him. From there, it would be a roughly even chance as to whether he would finally be able to move on with his life... or would end it once and for all, having lost the last thing that kept him going. I genuinely don't know what he would do in that situation.

    and finally, 7. William occasionally discusses his time spent in India, but without fail will refuse to talk about certain events, namely the occasional tiger hunt he took part of. You never know who might be listening.
    edited by Lord Hattie on 7/31/2016

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    Valiant
    Valiant
    Posts: 127

    7/26/2016
    1. “Valiant” was just a random name chosen long time ago, and now it stuck too much to change it. I prefer to think his parents were a bit eccentric and romantic.
    2. He was born in London and fell with the city, thus he hadn’t actually seen the Surface in conscious age (yaaay headcanons).
    3. Valiant doesn’t care much about animals, so his numerous animal companions are more like acquaintances, living on their own or in his long-abandoned lodgings.
    4. Except for the Bengal Tigress, Marta, who he bought/rescued as a cub from unscrupulous trader. Now she treats Valiant more like her own cub.
    5. He cares about his home city much more that he lets out.
    6. He’s infatuated with Revolutionary Firebrand despite burning hatred for anarchists and their ideas.
    7. Valiant has surprisingly warm relationship with his adopted daughter who, contrary to what many believe, he picked up at Khan’s Shadow, in the same journey that cost him his left eye. But rumours are right in one thing - the girl is still strong headed and devious.

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    Edward Warren
    Edward Warren
    Posts: 120

    7/27/2016
    7 Facts about Edward Warren

    1. He's a bad, bad man.

    2. He might be a double agent of the Church trying sabotage Hell's operations from the inside. He also might be a triple agent of the Counter-Church trying to get the Bishop of Southwark's trust. Even he's not sure anymore.

    3. Is a strong believer in predestination and considers himself and agent of God's will. Believes that if he can swindle someone out of their soul, they've done something to deserve damnation. It's this personal justification that drives him in search of more power, whatever the cost.

    4. Has a legitimate soft spot for children. He can be ruthless, but on his worst day won't harm a hair on a kid's head. He even owned an orphanage, once...

    5. Is surprisingly loyal to his personal allies. His loyalties to the factions proper of London are mercurial at best, but won't forget those he owes a favor. Perhaps it's for this reason he takes perceived betrayals quite harshly.

    6. Has a gambling problem. While he usually advocates caution and subtlety, he has a personal weakness for games of chance. He enjoys the thrill of that comes from putting it all on the line when the chips are down. Part of his reason he came to the Neath was to engage in athe ultimate card game to win his Heart's Desire.

    7. Has a strong affinity for finery. Two of his dearest, best-maintained possessions are his Parabola Suit and pair of Kingscale Boots. This is because he's internalized what guilt he has for his livelihood. He tries to cover up his inner "Ugliness" by putting on a cultured exterior.

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    Swinging Dove
    Swinging Dove
    Posts: 24

    7/27/2016
    Alright, sounds like fun!

    Facts about Ron Morrison:

    1. If one listens to him speak, a poor attempt to partially hide his Irish accent is apparent.

    2. He was a member of the church on the surface. Not particularly a good man, perhaps even someone you could call corrupt, but nevertheless a man of pure faith in God. After he arrived to Fallen London and saw all of the wonders - devils, creatures from the wildest of nightmares... Well, the title of Deacon is purely decorative.

    3. Ever since arriving into the Neath, Ronald has been facinated by mirrors. He does not know exactly what draws him to the reflections, but it is certainly not hedonism.

    4. Ronald is a very ruthless man, and he is not afraid to show this fact. Well, perhaps only when attempting to fit in with the respectable folk... Those more acquainted with the man, or the people society labels as 'lower class' know not to cross him, however. Or that's what Ron tells himself.

    5. Rubbery Men intrique him. Oh, not in THAT way, you deviate, no, rather in the fact that men with tentacles on their face tend to send shivers down his spine. And just a slight tingle of childlike wonder.

    6. If asked whether he preferred bats to sharks, he would most definetly respond "None, you sod. Animals are truly useless for anything other than food. Well, unless they are sentient, or are worth more than a doctor's yearly salary. In that case..."

    7. Ron does not enjoy violence. It seems so, yes, but Ron justifies any morally suspect actions of his with one simple rule - it was nescesarry for this particular endeavour. Whether or not this holds any truth, he daren't think of.

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    Eglantine-Fox
    Eglantine-Fox
    Posts: 872

    7/28/2016
    Seven facts about Siobhan:

    1. She never knew her mother's parents: they died during the Famine, along with all but one of her mother's siblings.

    2. On her father's side, she's descended of the O'Malleys, the ones that spawned Gráinne Ní Mháille, or Grace O'Malley. She's very proud of this, and considers Grace O'Malley an inspiration.

    3. She's been influenced by ardent Irish nationalists from a young age, at least one of whom has paid a high price for his activities since. It's why she came to the Neath - to understand London, and find out if there was a chance to either cut it off from the surface entirely or act during its times of weakness/distraction, so that an Irish uprising might succeed.

    4. Siobhan has put the work in, to pick up the Scottish Gaelic, since it is with effort somewhat mutually intelligible with her own Irish Gaelic, and doing so opens up more avenues for conversation.

    5. She's still loosely Catholic - she was more devout when young, and even dreamed of becoming a nun until her child self discovered how much 'doing what you're told' was involved in a nun's life. Now she's something of a lapsed Catholic, and doing a number of things that would count as sins.

    6. She's head-over-heels in love with Elias Lowe. She wasn't expecting or planning any kind of romance, and is having to come to terms with the fact that emotional attachments might keep her in London for more reasons than her original goals.

    7. She loathes the Traitor-Empress with a deep and abiding hatred, considering her a murderer for presiding over the taking of Irish food to England while Irish people were starving to death. She's not really much of a killer by inclination, but she probably would kill the Empress if she could get away with it.

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    Eglantine Fox, the charming and androgynous Correspondent, teetering between hobbies of seduction and self-destruction.

    Siobhan O'Malley, Irish patriot (or 'bl__dy Fenian' if you're impolite).

    Isidore Day, an up-and-coming London gentleman. All allegations of wrongdoing are categorically denied.
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