Sir Joshua Hagan
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7/14/2016
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Why are no players born in the neath, why does the majority of the populace (which is probably us players) of Fallen London start off as prisoners, did the Unterzee exist before london fell? This thread is about those kind of questions and the speculation to what the answers are. Feel free to share questions, theories and fan fiction about the world of Fallen London here, but try and keep it to the source matter.
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Ginneon Thursday
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7/14/2016
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As to the Unterzee, it has existed a long, long time. Before London ever fell, several other cities met the same fate - landing on the same briny subterranean shore.
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The Absurd Rogue
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7/14/2016
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LL and AS having a minor miscommunication and quickly amending it is the closest I've ever seen to a "flame war" on the forum. I love this place
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suinicide
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7/14/2016
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I mean, even if you argue that the judgements would incinerate any monsters, the dark crawlies could live at the bottom of the ocean, surfacing at night to prey on unsuspecting ships. Miners have to be careful not to dig too deeply, or they could stumble upon something they really shouldnt have. And who knows if thats a natural cave, or a hidding place ecked out by something to survive up here. I don't know. I kinda like the idea. And hey, everyone knows that king built a huge basement for...something. But we dont go there.
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RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Teaspoon
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7/15/2016
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Maybe people begin in Newgate for the same reason that people ended up in Sydney - lawbreakers in England get transported. Only instead of going 'round the world, you go into a very very deep hole.
One might even arrange to be transported on purpose in order to get to the Neath, if one hasn't the money for a ticket down (after all, everyone starts the game broke.)
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Shadowcthuhlu
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7/15/2016
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Everyone ends up in Newgate because it's the easiest way to immigrant when you don't know anyone in London - seriously escaping out of prison takes less time and effort then filling out all that paperwork.
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TheThirdPolice
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7/25/2016
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Worth noting the Great Game is the real world term and not a Failbetter invention, although Wikipedia informs that the Russians had a much cooler name — tournament of shadows (toornirui tenei).
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suinicide
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7/24/2016
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The great game is a collection of warring spies, assassins, and other shadowy figures doing the bidding of powerful countries.
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RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Amelia Syrus
Posts: 626
7/14/2016
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Well I like to understand people and I know you meant well. We're all here to have fun and that's important to me.
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Amelia Syrus
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7/14/2016
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There's a lot of things in Fallen London that as a game leaves it to the player to interpret what kind of life the character had before falling into Neath. As Professor Sketch pointed out, it's why there's a lot of the same problems and expanding that titles for NPCs too. (Ex: There's probably more than one Revolutionary Firebrand, etc.) But to me that also means player interpretation of the Surface too.
Consider this: Fallen London takes place in a world where the Bazaar is a living, eldritch entity that claims cities and has been doing so far longer than the 3-4 years it claimed London. I like to think that alone means that the Surface has probably been shaped and changed by each city that is claimed. Maybe this means supernatural entities do exist and roam the world and not just in the Neath. Maybe that means monster hunting is a profession both in the Neath and the Surface. I feel like in that aspect roleplayers can easily take liberties to describe what their character's life was on the surface and expand the world to suit their character.
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A Dimness
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7/14/2016
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Don't fool yourself, the whole election's "Jenny against the Contrarian and Bishop" thing is pretty much a civil war in good spirit. A very cheery civil war without hard feelings, but one nonetheless.
I'm fairly certain the Neath has walls though, at least on the west and south ends it seem to have them. It is a cave, after all. If the Neath didn't have a western boundary I'm fairly certain there'd be a lot more left from the previous cities, as well as maybe some Londonish settlements. The Northern Zee seems to twist the perception of crewmates until they get lost and find themselves back south, so it's either infinite or it's not, that does't even matter. The uttermost east is beyond considering.
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Vavakx Nonexus
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7/14/2016
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Either the edge of the city, or has hidden Correspondence in it that dictates law shifts, or Gigagoats.
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Amelia Syrus
Posts: 626
7/14/2016
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I like the idea of Gigagoats personally. Though on the Unterzee, I haven't played through SS yet. But I always wondered how expansive it must be. It feels like to me in encompasses the entire world if there's such a vast network going on for several countries and islands to be under.
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Lamia Lawless
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7/14/2016
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Amelia Syrus wrote:
There's a lot of things in Fallen London that as a game leaves it to the player to interpret what kind of life the character had before falling into Neath. As Professor Sketch pointed out, it's why there's a lot of the same problems and expanding that titles for NPCs too. (Ex: There's probably more than one Revolutionary Firebrand, etc.) But to me that also means player interpretation of the Surface too.
hConsider this: Fallen London takes place in a world where the Bazaar is a living, eldritch entity that claims cities and has been doing so far longer than the 3-4 years it claimed London. I like to think that alone means that the Surface has probably been shaped and changed by each city that is claimed. Maybe this means supernatural entities do exist and roam the world and not just in the Neath. Maybe that means monster hunting is a profession both in the Neath and the Surface. I feel like in that aspect roleplayers can easily take liberties to describe what their character's life was on the surface and expand the world to suit their character.
I'm not going to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their characters, but the reason we have eldritch and supernatural things in the Neath is because the sheer amount of irrigo from the Cave of Nadir blocks the Neath from the sight of the Judgements, so that they can't enforce Laws here. For me, personally, this would break canon in a major universe-bending way, so it's not something I would personally choose to incorporate into my own characters' stories.
I suppose it's prudent to remind myself that a lot of players don't have access to late game lore, too. I don't think Fallen London was designed with roleplayers in mind, considering major details of how the world works are incorporated into secret hints that you have to play extensively to find, and think creatively to put together (or else binge on the wikis and saint-arthur's blog).
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Lamia Lawless
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7/14/2016
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Right.
And thank you for giving me feedback on how I sounded. I don't always know how my words come across to other people, and it's nice to have an opportunity to clarify what I really meant.
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