• 'This whole strategic voting is silly, stop taking things so seriously.' Friends! Is taking ridiculous things seriously not the essence of the game? More importantly, it is the essence of democracy, and passion, and justice probably I don't know
• This whole 'not wanting to switch because my career is high' I kinda get but not really. There is no evidence that having high career for the winning candidate will give you more rewards, and in any case there's probably enough time to rise ten levels back in the time until the end of the elections. Anyway, better give smaller support to a candidate with a chance of winning than larger support to a candidate with no hope of victory.
• At the time of writing a grand total of eleven voters out of forty eight non-Jenny supporters are willing to engage in strategic voting, so about a quarter (~23%). If this is indicative of anything, we don't stand much of a chance of forming a bloc. I'm going to keep the poll open at least 24 hours more, maybe things will change.
• Optimatum is puzzled by lots of Contrarians sticking to their guns. Well, my friend, one needs not be a contrarian to support The Contrarian any more than one needs to be a sex worker to support Sinning Jenny.

Zoe DeGeest wrote:

Lady Sapho Byron wrote:

Next year vote for me. I will only corrupt those who want to be corrupted.

What do you offer

What veneer of propriety or sobriety do you wish removed?

edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/12/2016

Yes, that would be incomprehensible. But I think the what they are talking about is the insults towards jenny. I know at least one comment was deleted for being too insulting.

That's not what Optimatum is saying. It is the tone and the players. It is not about who getting elected, but about how hostile it sounds to the players that voted Jenny. The players. It make the forums unwelcoming, victory for Jenny or not. Get what I mean?

3. In this poll as in my straw poll, Jenny has a clear (and slightly discouraging) lead!!

Lady Sapho Byron wrote:

Next year vote for me. I will only corrupt those who want to be corrupted.

What do you offer

3. There's no evidence that the Contrarian is doing better than the Bishop outside the forum. It's possible that the Contrarian is actually in third (which might be why his campaign seems to have had the biggest shakeup - though that might be because his campaign is the most ideologically diverse).

Optimatum wrote:

(stuff about polls being inaccurate etc)

(And I'm not even going to get into how silly I find the idea anyways of needing one fictional candidate over another because one is somehow inherently Bad. Even ignoring the fictional part, I'll take an unsupported promise of assistance over the likelyhood of a catastrophic war or chance of Liberation gaining power any day.)

As I've already said, this is not the place to argue for Jenny. There are plenty of other places to do that. Nor am I interested in reminders that this is all just a silly game, as if I'm not aware of that. Seriously. You think this is a stupid waste of time? Good for you. I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't find this somehow worthwhile.

And as for your points about the forums being unrepresentative - older players are going to have a much larger influence on the elections. They are more likely to raise their career to 20 and far more likely to have notability, not to mention the fact that many have alts. The main election thread is likely read by players who don't frequent the forums and who reached it from the messages tab, and that thread is flush with people singing Jenny's praises, just like every other thread. Are we completely, 100% sure that Jenny has a large lead? No. But we have a lot of evidence pointing that way, and nothing indicating the reverse.

Lady Sapho Byron wrote:

Zoe DeGeest wrote:

Lady Sapho Byron wrote:

Next year vote for me. I will only corrupt those who want to be corrupted.

What do you offer

What veneer of propriety or sobriety do you wish removed?

edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/12/2016

Let me be perfectly clear. I would reject the sexy progressive ninja nun, the mustachioed general who kicks ass for the lord, and the argumentative moderate anarchist, if it meant I could vote for a mayor to deliver a social reckoning of wine and scandalous parties for London.
edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 7/12/2016

But I'm with optimatum, the whole ideas of strategic voting, selling your votes, really anything rather then having some harmless fun is kinda stupid. It's not a big deal.

Agitator's the easiest way, Campaign's fastest if you have lots of Favours in High Places. Fixers are slowest but can raise Notability faster.

Optimatum wrote:

I think this is silly, yes. That is not my issue here. Nor is the issue that it's a waste of time, which I do not believe - I do many things on a regular basis which others may consider a waste of time, yet they remain fulfilling. My issue is that this is a community-wide event. If someone wants to manipulate a single-player game aspect I see no issue with it; however much they may change things, it does not affect me. But this is an event influencing and influenced by all players. Your proposal to sway the outcome could impact everyone. And doing such a thing has far too much potential to hurt feelings and diminish the enjoyment of others, when in my view we don't even know this is necessary to achieve your goal.

Yes, this is a community-wide event. And it is the community which I'm trying to sway to my cause. Yes, I'm trying to manipulate the vote - that's what every single person debating for or against a candidate is doing. Yes, if Jenny isn't elected that may 'hurt the feelings and diminish the enjoyment' of others - though I hope people won't take it quite that hard - but the exact same thing might happen if she is elected, just for everyone who didn't support her. If there aren't enough people interested in this to make this happen then it won't happen. And if there are, what's the problem, exactly?
edited by Angus Turner on 7/13/2016

Yes, this is a community-wide event. And it is the community which I'm trying to sway to my cause. Yes, I'm trying to manipulate the vote - that's what every single person debating for or against a candidate is doing. Yes, if Jenny isn't elected that may 'hurt the feelings and diminish the enjoyment' of others - though I hope people won't take it quite that hard - but the exact same thing might happen if she is elected, just for everyone who didn't support her. If there aren't enough people interested in this to make this happen then it won't happen. And if there are, what's the problem, exactly?

To clarify: the comment wasn't deleted because it was anti-Jenny; it was deleted because it used language unbecoming of these forums. You can criticise any character as much as you like, but using real-world slurs isn't the way to do it.

Lady Sapho Byron wrote:

Next year vote for me. I will only corrupt those who want to be corrupted.

What do you offer

Professor Sketch wrote:

Anne Auclair wrote:

Mordaine Barimen wrote:

I must have missed that announcement. Interesting, though I doubt it will be anything earth-shatteringly imbalanced.

Everyone gets access to the Mayoral Influence, not just the winners.

"The winning candidate will have a Mayoral Influence in your opportunity deck until next year's reelection, so consider who you support carefully."
That last bit sounds rather like who you vote on will decide exactly how positive this 'Mayoral Influence' is.

If it were just for the winning players then it would say "Those who back the winning candidate will get Mayroal Influence in your Opportunity Deck." But instead it says "the Winning Candidate will have a Mayoral Influence in your opportunity deck" - meaning that everyone will feel the impact of the results.

I think this is silly, yes. That is not my issue here. Nor is the issue that it's a waste of time, which I do not believe - I do many things on a regular basis which others may consider a waste of time, yet they remain fulfilling. My issue is that this is a community-wide event. If someone wants to manipulate a single-player game aspect I see no issue with it; however much they may change things, it does not affect me. But this is an event influencing and influenced by all players. Your proposal to sway the outcome could impact everyone. And doing such a thing has far too much potential to hurt feelings and diminish the enjoyment of others, when in my view we don't even know this is necessary to achieve your goal.