Angus Turner
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7/13/2016
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Lisbella Peridot wrote:
That's not what Optimatum is saying. It is the tone and the players. It is not about who getting elected, but about how hostile it sounds to the players that voted Jenny. The players. It make the forums unwelcoming, victory for Jenny or not. Get what I mean? Why? How does it sound hostile?
I'm not asking to annoy you, I honestly don't understand. If you get the impression that this is mean spirited than I'm genuinely sorry, but I said that Jenny must not win 'because reasons' and gave an option for Jenny supporters which notes that 'my tears are delicious' and then noted that it is 'for terrible people and should not be chosen'. Did that not come off as somewhat tongue-in-cheek? Should I use sarcastic tags or something?
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Anne Auclair
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7/13/2016
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Lisbella Peridot wrote:
Angus Turner wrote:
Yes, this is a community-wide event. And it is the community which I'm trying to sway to my cause. Yes, I'm trying to manipulate the vote - that's what every single person debating for or against a candidate is doing. Yes, if Jenny isn't elected that may 'hurt the feelings and diminish the enjoyment' of others - though I hope people won't take it quite that hard - but the exact same thing might happen if she is elected, just for everyone who didn't support her. If there aren't enough people interested in this to make this happen then it won't happen. And if there are, what's the problem, exactly?
That's not what Optimatum is saying. It is the tone and the players. It is not about who getting elected, but about how hostile it sounds to the players that voted Jenny. The players. It make the forums unwelcoming, victory for Jenny or not. Get what I mean?
How is it hostile? They're just choosing to vote one way instead of another because they prefer a different result.
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ganoidyn
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7/13/2016
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Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
I do hope Failbetter posts the true "votes tallies" (Campaigner, etc. level + Notability) for the candidates. I should very much like to see how proportions compare to this thread's poll (which is wonderful, by the way).
edit: And the g-docs one, which is even wonderful-er.
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This pollster lives to serve. As does Angus, I expect.
I don't mind saying that I'm just very slightly hoping that some Bishop voters would be convinced to switch over. As can be seen from my straw poll, it feels a little like the contrarian is getting some traction.
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Anne Auclair
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7/14/2016
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ganoidyn wrote:
Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
I do hope Failbetter posts the true "votes tallies" (Campaigner, etc. level + Notability) for the candidates. I should very much like to see how proportions compare to this thread's poll (which is wonderful, by the way).
edit: And the g-docs one, which is even wonderful-er.
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This pollster lives to serve. As does Angus, I expect.
I think you'll get your wish.
A hustings has been erected in Hastings Square.
So they're going to do that weird British thing where all the candidates stand on the stage together as the results are announced :P
So you'll likely get your vote totals.
edited by Anne Auclair on 7/14/2016
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DeserterKalak
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7/14/2016
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Lisbella Peridot wrote:
Angus Turner wrote:
Yes, this is a community-wide event. And it is the community which I'm trying to sway to my cause. Yes, I'm trying to manipulate the vote - that's what every single person debating for or against a candidate is doing. Yes, if Jenny isn't elected that may 'hurt the feelings and diminish the enjoyment' of others - though I hope people won't take it quite that hard - but the exact same thing might happen if she is elected, just for everyone who didn't support her. If there aren't enough people interested in this to make this happen then it won't happen. And if there are, what's the problem, exactly?
That's not what Optimatum is saying. It is the tone and the players. It is not about who getting elected, but about how hostile it sounds to the players that voted Jenny. The players. It make the forums unwelcoming, victory for Jenny or not. Get what I mean?
I want to make clear that I am a Jenny voter and I take absolutely no offense from the fact that her opponents supporters are vocal and enthusiastic. I find the idea of "people vocalizing strong opinions in favour of candidates I don't support" being somehow threatening to be... well, utterly incomprehensible is the most diplomatic way I can phrase it.
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suinicide
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7/14/2016
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Yes, that would be incomprehensible. But I think the what they are talking about is the insults towards jenny. I know at least one comment was deleted for being too insulting.
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Angus Turner
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7/14/2016
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suinicide wrote:
Yes, that would be incomprehensible. But I think the what they are talking about is the insults towards jenny. I know at least one comment was deleted for being too insulting.
In this thread? Or elsewhere? If someone said something insulting you have every right to say they should stop, but it feels like I'm being told that just expressing my desire that Jenny won't win is offensive and hostile. And personally, that is something I find deeply offensive. It's the sort of thing that makes the forums feel, as Lisbella said, unwelcoming.
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suinicide
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7/14/2016
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It was on a different thread, and I completely agree with you, you should be allowed to speak up against jenny. (Our tyrannical overlord, long may she rule) and not have to worry about other people being upset by that.
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Diptych
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7/14/2016
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To clarify: the comment wasn't deleted because it was anti-Jenny; it was deleted because it used language unbecoming of these forums. You can criticise any character as much as you like, but using real-world slurs isn't the way to do it.
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aegisaglow
Posts: 202
7/14/2016
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
To clarify: the comment wasn't deleted because it was anti-Jenny; it was deleted because it used language unbecoming of these forums. You can criticise any character as much as you like, but using real-world slurs isn't the way to do it.
Thank you for this, by the way. Part of what makes FL so accessible is the way it treats sex workers humanely, and I'm glad that's reflected in the community as well.
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