Dedivax
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The new seasonal event is here and everyone is having a grand time: arguing over which candidate deserves our support, complaining that fixers have it too hard, admiring those brand new +5 watchful boots; it's very fun and all, yet I feel like we're missing something of the big picture.
Why are we having an election, exactly?
The Masters have never had issues with running an authoritarian regime, yet now they're asking the people of London to elect someone to represent them, even allowing a (probably-known) revolutionary to run. My guess is that they feel their leather grip on this city slipping (look no further than to Lost in Reflections and An Obscure Future) and this is just a ploy to try and make the citizens more compliant to their rule, yet there might be an even more hidden motive behind this move.
The in-game lore isn't being very helpful either, as all investigations focus on learning more about the candidates, but not about the election itself; of course, we don't know how this event will play out, yet I feel like when the lead is announced next Monday we might get a chance to dig even deeper into this mess, as I don't think FBG would leave us so lore-dry about such an unexpected development.
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I think the only effect we know of is a card.
Then we should ensure the mayor we elect is also a card! Thankfully, I think all three candidates qualify.
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There's only one clear conscience in Fallen London, and he's still trying to find his lost luggage.
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Pnakotic
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The Master wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The Bishop once shot a man just for having red hair. The Contrarian killed an officer of Her Enduring Majesty's Admiralty in a tureen of sprouts. Your point?
My point is that she isn't much better than those 2, she is not a saint, and like the other two she doesn't deserve more power.
Moral ambiguity?
Here, in Fallen London?
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Pnakotic
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After doing some investigation, it's becoming somewhat clear that all the candidates have certain things going on beneath the surface (and in Fallen London, I'd be downright disappointed if they didn't)
[spoiler]Sinning Jenny
Her campaign is ostensibly the most humanistic, which contributes strongly to her appeal. However, she started being bankrolled by Mr. Wines, but she seems to have broken ties, or at least traceable ties, to the Bazaar. Her connection to the nuns is interesting, as is her(their) amassing of secrets. Clearly, she is in a strong position to be a powerbroker, ostensibly with charitable intentions. Jenny is quite possibly the most compassionate soul in London, though she's a survivor as well, and capable of being quite ruthless. Truth be told, though, in my experience in Fallen London, the choices I've made from the heart have been among the most dangerous, depraved, and vicious... and I consider the nuns an unknown angle (possibly more info from other Ambition paths I haven't taken?) it's clear they are something in the way of monster hunters, and they seem far more concerned with the state of the spirit than the flesh. While there's plenty of horrors that go bump in the night in the neath, I have to wonder how many other factions comprise their enemies list.
The Jovial Contrarian
The Contrarian has an appealing byline of rationalism, though his allegiances and positions seem murky and changeable. He has links to high society, but also the anarchists, and was being bankrolled to some degree by the Calendar Council, though like Jenny he has apparently cut ties. More strangely, the Manager of the Royal Bethlehem seems heavily entrenched in his campaign, which raises some questions in itself... the manager has some links to not only Parabola, domain of the Fingerkings, but also some reasons to dislike the Bazaar and maybe some links to Polythreme (again, my knowledge is a bit spotty for not having chosen to pursue the Heart's Desire Ambition). Is this implying the manager is willing to take the nuclear option for supporting the Council against the Bazaar? Or even stranger bedfellows? The Contrarian himself seems desperate to chart a more moderate path of his own choosing, if at all feasible.
The Bishop of Southwark
Is a well-known loony with an axe to grind against hell - well, he has good reason to hate the Devils, really.. Anyone who invaded during the War does (though most, including the Regretful Soldier, would consider a second war the height of folly). But he doesn't seem to have much vision beyond his Ahab-like obsession with conquering Hell, and has largely been played as a buffoon in the past. Despite apparent popular supports from the Oarsmen in the game setting, most of the player don't consider him at all seriously. Given that Devils are at least partially bankrolling his campaign, it seems likely they don't take him too seriously either. Or they're actively courting a dust-up, and he's something of a Manchurian Candidate (which seems like a popular theory currently, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense in the context of the factitious natures of devils, and the general disorganization of Hell following the Season of Revolutions). I still need to do a flash lay to learn more secrets of the Bishop's campaign. {Edit:} Less tawdry than the others - the Bishop lost someone who he loved, and that's the greater cause for his enmity to the Devils than his religious convictions or his own suffering as a POW.
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Sinning Jenny
Jenny's campaign is flush with cash, and apparently the wine is flowing freely at donor luncheons. It appears in addition to collecting secrets and blackmail material, her campaign is engaged in actively compromising as many of their opponents as possible. She has a number of appointed positions planned for various persons who have likely in engaged in providing these secrets. Jenny is also engaged with something to the East (due East, Abbey Rock itself is SW of Wolfstack) - the Khanate? And she's providing information to them... perhaps it's not blackmail material for her campaign after all? There are other forces at work on London and the Admiralty, if you've played through the Wry Functionary's story.
The Bishop
The Bishop's campaign funding is dwindling, but it appears more focused and active than before, with apparent support coming from St Dunstan's - in the form of secretly collected information. The Bishop plans to publish actual data on the soulless, which is likely the biggest bomb he could possibly drop on the devils in Fallen London. It seems he has at last cottoned onto the the infernal infleunces within his campaign, and his doing his d___dest to cast them all out. However, there remains the mystery of the poet and the Bishop's lover...
The Jovial Contrarian
Appears to be running an efficient campaign, but has recently been making contributions to both the Bishop of Southwark and Sinning Jenny. Is he really trying not to win, or does this somehow play into the Contrarian's ideas of democracy - or just his generally capricious nature? The Contrarian has reorganized his campaign staff. The Manager is now gone... mother of G_d... replaced by none other than February! It seems the Contrarian may now be something of a prisoner within his own offices. (Which would explain him trying to help his competitors win.)
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No matter who wins, the results seem likely to be interesting.
edited by Pnakotic on 7/7/2016
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The Bishop once shot a man just for having red hair. The Contrarian killed an officer of Her Enduring Majesty's Admiralty in a tureen of sprouts. Your point?
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Estelle Knoht
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7/5/2016
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Dedivax wrote:
Why are we having an election, exactly?
To sell posters
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Kylestien
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The more i investigate him, the more I think supporting The Bishop is a bad choice.
[spoiler]His campaign is being partly funded by devils in disguise, and he's clearly running on hate because he left someone in hell he cared about.
I think the devils are COUNTING on that hate. They WANT him to be Mayor. They WANT him to be in power becausxe HE'S PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR FIRY LITLLE HANDS.[/spoiler]
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An Individual
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Well, in matters of the Bazaar look to love and all that. This could be part of an experiment in passionate, but non-romantic love. An engine for generating stories of passionate love for a candidate and their cause instead of the passions of lovers.
It could also be a scheme by one or more of the masters to hasten London's decay and bring about the 6th city. Or maybe they're just having a laugh.
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Crater
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Leaving aside the suitability of candidates (they all have merit to some degree and would change the city in interesting ways) and our own blood-soaked paths, I'm of the opinion that some of the Masters might actually be considering leaving London intact when the time comes for the Sixth City to fall. Why else install a mayor? Her Enduring Majesty and the royal family have become corrupted and withdrawn, but a mayor is different. A mayor changes as the city changes, rising or falling with the times, and while there are tyrants and monarchs in the Neath, there are no popularist leaders, not even in the Iron Republic.
It is 1894. The age of monarchy is almost over. In a couple of decades, all the crowns of Europe will fall. Could the Masters have enough foresight to see that coming? If they could prevent it, what might a grateful king or queen pay in return?
One more splash of speculation: Europe is a hotbed of politics at this point in history. In June, the French president was stabbed in broad daylight by an anarchist...after he announced he would NOT be running for re-election. The Masters cannot remove Her Enduring Majesty or her progeny without considerable effort but if a mayor is proving troublesome, there are plenty of knives in London…
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Beau Mercy
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In other words, we aren't electing someone to get new Medicare legislation passed. Forget issues—what storylets are the candidates going to open up?
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Nice summary! To briefly fill in such gaps as I can... [spoiler]the Manager and the Sisterhood both have ties to previous cities and their deals with the Bazaar, as revealed in the Ambitions - Heart's Desire & the First City/Polythreme and Bag A Legend and the Second City, respectively. In both cases, their relationship the Masters and the Bazaar is... complicated. They might work alongside one Master while bitterly opposing another, for instance. In general, they seem... relatively benevolent - they're both protectors of the public, in a way.[/spoiler]
Jenny's campaign seems, as you say, the most humanistic - she wants to make London safer for the vulnerable. The Contrarian's campaign is more abstract, concerned with questions of public participation in governance. The Bishop might be buffoonish, but it's clear he's been everywhere and seen everything - his single-mindedness at this point seems less a consequence of ignorance and more an enduring character trait.
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Lady Sapho Byron
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The Master wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The Bishop once shot a man just for having red hair. The Contrarian killed an officer of Her Enduring Majesty's Admiralty in a tureen of sprouts. Your point?
My point is that she isn't much better than those 2, she is not a saint, and like the other two she doesn't deserve more power.
Raising the question, what power, exactly, will the Mayor of London have, anyway?
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I don't know about that - the Masters keep a pretty tight grip on certain elements of politics. Political economy, especially. Try challenging the established order and it's even odds whether you'll end up in New Newgate, the Orphanage or Corpsecage Island.
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Beau Mercy
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Kylestien wrote:
The more i investigate him, the more I think supporting The Bishop is a bad choice.
[spoiler]His campaign is being partly funded by devils in disguise, and he's clearly running on hate because he left someone in hell he cared about.
I think the devils are COUNTING on that hate. They WANT him to be Mayor. They WANT him to be in power becausxe HE'S PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR FIRY LITLLE HANDS.[/spoiler]
The more I hear about the Bishop, the clearer it becomes that he represents the most interesting developments in the overall Fallen London plot.
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Catherine Raymond
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The Bishop once shot a man just for having red hair. The Contrarian killed an officer of Her Enduring Majesty's Admiralty in a tureen of sprouts. Your point?
It's worth recalling that in Fallen London, murder is often not permanent. For all we know, the red-haired man might have shown up at one of the Bishop's sermons after he'd been shot, to heckle him. So I don't see a lot of point in reviling FL characters for being "murderers". Those of us who have fed NPC coalmen and vicars to potted plants are guilty of far worse than temporary deaths.
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I believe what they mean is that, seeing as the Admiral nearly dies twice in the same night, he's really exceptionally frail and no-one can really be blamed for happening to trigger any one particular death.
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
It's worth recalling that in Fallen London, murder is often not permanent.
Scandal is even less so. Jenny did nothing wrong.
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The Bishop once shot a man just for having red hair. The Contrarian killed an officer of Her Enduring Majesty's Admiralty in a tureen of sprouts. Your point?
It's worth recalling that in Fallen London, murder is often not permanent. For all we know, the red-haired man might have shown up at one of the Bishop's sermons after he'd been shot, to heckle him. So I don't see a lot of point in reviling FL characters for being "murders". Those of us who have fed NPC coalmen and vicars to potted plants are guilty of far worse than temporary deaths.
Those who have finished the cheesemonger storyline and went with her plan, have committed probably far more permanent murders. Even more so if you join the black ribbon duelists.
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suinicide
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I would like to point out this is a game, and none of the canidates are really politicians. and since its the first election, the result probably won't do a whole lot to the rest of the world, which has been here for a lot longer, and is pretty stable. I think the only effect we know of is a card.
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absimiliard
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I should agree with you Kylestien.
I think it is a plot to restart the War.
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Pnakotic
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7/19/2016
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
I believe what they mean is that, seeing as the Admiral nearly dies twice in the same night, he's really exceptionally frail and no-one can really be blamed for happening to trigger any one particular death.
Frail and exceptionally choleric. Not a great combination, really.
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screechfox
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Admittedly, I'm voting for Jenny, because it makes most sense from a character point of view, and I enjoy the little I've seen of her.
But I'm vaguely interested to see if there'd be new paths for the soulless if the bishop won, since my character lost her soul a while back. Of course, the Bishop probably won't win, but if he did...
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Owen Wulf
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kittenby wrote:
Admittedly, I'm voting for Jenny, because it makes most sense from a character point of view, and I enjoy the little I've seen of her.
But I'm vaguely interested to see if there'd be new paths for the soulless if the bishop won, since my character lost her soul a while back. Of course, the Bishop probably won't win, but if he did...
I also threw my support with Sinning Jenny, although it was close.
Spoiler below for "To Bag a Legend Ambition" and the "Theological Husbandry" stories.
[spoiler]I was an ally of the Sisterhood that supports her due to my hunt for the Vake, but I am also a good friend of the Bishop and had sworn to march with him to Hell (literally). My character has a huge amount of support from the Church which, although I did not think of him as particularly religious, I figured helped him with both groups.
Between the two religious figures, I wanted to believe that Sinning Jenny would be less like the High Sparrow from Game of Thrones than the Bishop of Southwark (besides the heavily armed fanatics). That, and having her positioned as Mayor might make the last part of my hunt a little bit easier for reasons I will not say on this forum. Still, I was surprised that two out of three of the the candidates were running on religious platforms. The only secular politician was the Contrarian and I know enough about him to not want him anywhere near power.
Also, I am not entirely sure my character never "visited" Jenny at one point for something other than normal business so maybe I felt biased.  [/spoiler]
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The Master wrote:
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The Bishop once shot a man just for having red hair. The Contrarian killed an officer of Her Enduring Majesty's Admiralty in a tureen of sprouts. Your point?
It's worth recalling that in Fallen London, murder is often not permanent. For all we know, the red-haired man might have shown up at one of the Bishop's sermons after he'd been shot, to heckle him. So I don't see a lot of point in reviling FL characters for being "murders". Those of us who have fed NPC coalmen and vicars to potted plants are guilty of far worse than temporary deaths.
I would like to add that the Contrarian killed the person by accident, didn't he? I may be wrong so please correct me if I am.
He did- several times, and it's implied he's killed others- all accidentally. but then, it might not be the case- it might just be that one over and over. The only confirmed one, though, probably belongs in the tomb-colonies or with a nurse perpetually accompanying him. here's another incident the same night: The whiskered admiral...has turned an alarming shade of purple: "Was it the heat? The chanterelle soup? The ankles of the Turkish Girl beside him?" "You move him quickly and discreetly to another room, where you loosen a collar that undoubtedly had been a better fit when he lived on ship's biscuits and lime juice. […] In the days that follow he widely praises your quick thinking."
In short, he really shouldn't be attending parties anyways.
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Morkan Kassington
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Grenem wrote:
He did- several times, and it's implied he's killed others- all accidentally. but then, it might not be the case- it might just be that one over and over. The only confirmed one, though, probably belongs in the tomb-colonies or with a nurse perpetually accompanying him. here's another incident the same night: The whiskered admiral...has turned an alarming shade of purple: "Was it the heat? The chanterelle soup? The ankles of the Turkish Girl beside him?" "You move him quickly and discreetly to another room, where you loosen a collar that undoubtedly had been a better fit when he lived on ship's biscuits and lime juice. […] In the days that follow he widely praises your quick thinking."
In short, he really shouldn't be attending parties anyways.
Wrong example, according to wiki. The Contrarian argued with the Admiral, who expired in a fit and fall into a tureen of soup, ending the party early. The collar suffocation is just Admiral's personal card and has nothing to do with the Contrarian.
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Amyntas
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We're having the election so that Sinning Jenny can take her rightful place as head of London affairs.
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Pnakotic
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There appears to be new information coming out about all the candidates this week - I am updating my original post as I find out more.
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