 absimiliard Posts: 759
7/5/2016
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Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
One of the best things about it is the fact that using it has no chance to remove Potential on a successful writing spree. Whilst it's not as fast as frenzied scribbling, it's much safer in several ways.
Given that I just sold almost all my liquid assets to buy a pair of Kingscale boots it was not terribly easy to find 60 more echoes in liquid goods. (Must wear boots made from skin of Fingerkings . . . . MUST)
However, I have now done so, and own my very own new elaborate typewriter. Once I have some more actions I'll see how it works.
-- "Because, Parabola!" -- the Curious Captain Eating nightmares from friends -- and I'm easy to befriend. Absimiliard: the Black Rose of Wolfstack Docks
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 Saklad Posts: 528
7/5/2016
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Gonen wrote:
Hello, Knowing FBG, being here over a year, read forum topics from 7 years ago to this day, never have I seen an aggressive Fate selling technique from them. Fate options are clearly described on each Fate storylet so you'll know what you're buying (as opposed to sometimes vague non-Fate options). Every festival or event can always be explored to the max without using Fate. Those are kept for bonus lore/equipment or for rushing things for the impatient ones. Never to accomplish a target. This event, I am sure, is no different. We have 2 weeks and only 2 days gone. I can bet my own left hand that FBG intends to let anyone with descent stats to max this event without Fate. This event is free to play with a truly unnecessary Fate option to speed things up. If you look at the last Feast of the Rose, when the event was about to close, and people complained on forum that the RNG is awful, FBG took notice and made the relevant storylet a fixed storylet for the last days. That's the vibes I ALWAYS got from FBG. Never to push Fate option, never force players to Fate or else mission will be impossible. This is a new event. They are monitoring our feedback closely and tweek things as it goes. Truly believe that all shall be well. I’ve already increased two levels in the Election, and that was while wasting all my actions on a stupid short story. This is definitely doable in two weeks. Besides, I don’t think the intent is for everyone to max out the event.
-- Saklad5, a man of many talents
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 Spht Posts: 11
7/5/2016
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Màiread wrote:
I have to say, I'm REALLY enjoying how you guys have incorporated under used areas of existing content. I love that there are so many ways to get the festival qualities. I'm about to experience the polite invitation party for the first time; I haven't written a short story since my first month in FL, now I've done a bunch of them. I've never bothered to get a newspaper or do a flash lay before, but if I have time before the festival ends I'll be checking those out too. It feels invigorating, and a lot more fun than a bunch of new grinds. It also feels like the festival is much better integrated into London as a whole than, say, the Zee fruit festival. It's exciting!
A word of caution, you may find the newspaper payout underwhelming, especially if you don't already have a newspaper or aren't planning to for other reasons (I had just set my first one up, for other reasons when things went live, not a terrible overall payout, but, you still have to run the presses and that's expensive). In general, I agree 'tho, I'm back to parties I had ignored for a long time and writing and so forth.
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 Skinnyman Posts: 2133
7/5/2016
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Hum, I probably missed a post, if any, regarding the change of candidates! Thing is, if you select the 0 AP action to do so, you'll get your levels reduced. I find it a bit odd for this to happen so I e-mailed FBG with this matter. So, if anyone is interested just to read the text, DO NOT! Only from selecting "Change Candidate" you'll have your levels reduced! edited by Skinnyman on 7/5/2016
-- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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 Mr Sables Posts: 597
7/5/2016
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Gonen wrote:
Hello, Knowing FBG, being here over a year, read forum topics from 7 years ago to this day, never have I seen an aggressive Fate selling technique from them. Fate options are clearly described on each Fate storylet so you'll know what you're buying (as opposed to sometimes vague non-Fate options). Every festival or event can always be explored to the max without using Fate. Those are kept for bonus lore/equipment or for rushing things for the impatient ones. Never to accomplish a target. This event, I am sure, is no different. We have 2 weeks and only 2 days gone. I can bet my own left hand that FBG intends to let anyone with descent stats to max this event without Fate. This event is free to play with a truly unnecessary Fate option to speed things up. If you look at the last Feast of the Rose, when the event was about to close, and people complained on forum that the RNG is awful, FBG took notice and made the relevant storylet a fixed storylet for the last days. That's the vibes I ALWAYS got from FBG. Never to push Fate option, never force players to Fate or else mission will be impossible. This is a new event. They are monitoring our feedback closely and tweek things as it goes. Truly believe that all shall be well.
I didn't mean to imply this was intentional . . .
. . . although, I admit, at times I fear the game sometimes may be headed in that direction (not for any evil conspiracy theories, but more in terms that businesses need to survive and rely on profit, but that's a whole other story and FBG have constantly reassured us that's not the case). I have no doubts the FBG team are highly ethical and good people (I remember Alexis commenting on this a long time back, so I wouldn't want to cause offence again by claiming otherwise).
That being said, it's still an imbalance and still favours fate players.
I do remember the Feast; I agree with you that it's something that may be tweaked later on, but that just makes me wonder why they didn't go along the Feast route from the start . . . make it a pinned option, much like the fate option. I imagine it was intended like you said - so people can go a bit quicker, like with action refreshes and deck refreshes. The problem for me is that refreshes usually only affect the individual player, whereas this campaign is more about multi-player gaming . . . we're all working with each other and against each other for a candidate, so these paid-for refreshes give some candidates (and sides) a better chance.
Yes, the game's free. Yes, you can still progress. The problem is that you can progress a lot faster and a lot easier with fate, which puts other players at a disadvantage, because of the festival's design being about competition (as opposed to getting a tattoo, or hunting at zee, etc.). I can understand other people may not agree with me, but it does irk me when I'm stuck waiting all day to progress and Joe Bloggs can pay 100 fate and progress for what - for some - may be a week's worth of progress due to the RNG hating a particular player.
Would it usually matter? No. It matters, though, because we're essentially competing.
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 Parelle Posts: 1084
7/5/2016
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Whoa, have we seen the mechanic for "choose which quality to use" that's on the short story selection? That's pretty cool and I'm wondering where it might turn up next.
-- Parelle, Lady Joseph Marlen. The Singular Librarian. A Midnighter, a Player of the Marvelous. pages from a dusty bookshop: a badly updated FL changelog | Useful Guidance and Explanations
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 Grenem Posts: 2067
7/5/2016
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Spht wrote:
Màiread wrote:
I have to say, I'm REALLY enjoying how you guys have incorporated under used areas of existing content. I love that there are so many ways to get the festival qualities. I'm about to experience the polite invitation party for the first time; I haven't written a short story since my first month in FL, now I've done a bunch of them. I've never bothered to get a newspaper or do a flash lay before, but if I have time before the festival ends I'll be checking those out too. It feels invigorating, and a lot more fun than a bunch of new grinds. It also feels like the festival is much better integrated into London as a whole than, say, the Zee fruit festival. It's exciting!
A word of caution, you may find the newspaper payout underwhelming, especially if you don't already have a newspaper or aren't planning to for other reasons (I had just set my first one up, for other reasons when things went live, not a terrible overall payout, but, you still have to run the presses and that's expensive). In general, I agree 'tho, I'm back to parties I had ignored for a long time and writing and so forth. You might want to keep going to parties after this is over- rubbery renown 25 offers the best-in-slot, save profession gear and [seasonal fate-locked], for persuasive companions, and if you have flute street, it offers the best in slot save professions when it comes to weapons.
Parties have a deck of ~8 cards, and one of them reliably provides a favor at one point, and has a 50% chance at another. (it's also a really good way to expensively raise hell connections.)
-- Married!:http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/takuza I will accept all social actions that do not consume free evenings- and i will provide patronage to anyone who requests it, though it will be split between all requesters. On psudeo-hiatus. Will be inactive and active and fluctuate without warning. Grinding Favors without cards: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22266-storylet-favors-grinding.aspx
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 Flyte Administrator Posts: 671
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It might be useful to say a bit about how we think these days when we design (or redesign) a festival.
We generally try to implement something like a minimum viable product in the first year – the amount of content we think the design absolutely needs in order to work or very slightly more, but not everything we'd eventually like to include in the event.
This makes it much easier for us to find writing resource around our other commitments (Zubmariner, EF stories, Secret Projects, etc). It also makes it simpler for us to change the way things work in future years in response to feedback.
We've seen some complaints about imbalances in the various electoral careers: Campaigners and Agitators both have one optimal grind that gets both campaign resources they need, while Fixers don't. I get the impression that some people would like us to resolve this by adding an equivalent grind for Fixers, which would be pretty straightforward – we could make some adjustments to cases, or perhaps add a new heist. But that would actually take us further away from how in future years we want the election to work.
In the longer term we'd actually like to make careers more asymmetrical, and provide mechanical incentives for everyone to explore more of the content – rather than giving each career a single optimal grind. We'll be giving Fixers a way to exploit their surplus Public Attention when we implement campaign resource trade ins later in the week. It's likely that we'll implement significantly more asymmetries in future years.
One final thing, about tone. I've been a part of this community for long enough that I'm able to read thoroughly intemperate posts with equanimity, and even appreciate the enthusiasm that often lies behind them. But I think they have a couple of unfortunate effects on the community as a whole.
It's been suggested to me that they sometimes make visiting the forums a unpleasant experience for newer or less mechanically oriented players, and I think that's true; but I think they also play a part in shaping newcomers' expectations about the degree of civility they need to display to one another, and as someone who originally joined this community in part because of how nice people were to each other, I care about that even more. (I went a really good conference talk by Riot Games on community norms that I'd like to link to, but can't a generally accessible version online – there's a bunch of interesting stuff in this interview, though, and it touches on the subject briefly.)
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 Grenem Posts: 2067
7/5/2016
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Parelle wrote:
Whoa, have we seen the mechanic for "choose which quality to use" that's on the short story selection? That's pretty cool and I'm wondering where it might turn up next. No, but the results don't change, and i don't think they could change. still, it'd be nice if you needed to get someone drunk, or any other scenario using one of the item sub-traits. you could give them black wings absinthe (you monster), or broken giant or strangling willow (seriously) or tears of the bazaar (why won't he die) or master's blood (what? what? what?) or even greyfeilds 1868 (finally, something sane.)
-- Married!:http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/takuza I will accept all social actions that do not consume free evenings- and i will provide patronage to anyone who requests it, though it will be split between all requesters. On psudeo-hiatus. Will be inactive and active and fluctuate without warning. Grinding Favors without cards: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22266-storylet-favors-grinding.aspx
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 An Individual Posts: 589
7/5/2016
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Flyte wrote:
...In the longer term we'd actually like to make careers more asymmetrical, and provide mechanical incentives for everyone to explore more of the content – rather than giving each career a single optimal grind...
I'm glad to hear that. After spending a bunch of time writing short stories yesterday I've been branching out to acquire resources from other sources like investigations because, while the short story route is optimal for my career, you see basically nothing of the election content itself. I've been enjoying revisiting things I hadn't done in a long time like attending parties (I haven't done that since I joined K&C) and I look forward to firing up the dusty presses of my newspaper again. I like the breadth of this festival and the variety of mechanics in incorporates. Moving away from mechanics that encourage players to only do one thing can only help it (although I'm sure there will be grumbling).
-- An Individual's Profile The RNG giveth and the RNG taketh away. Goat Farming or Cider Brewing? This browser extension may help. Want a Cider sip? Please refer to this guide before requesting. Scholaring the Correspondence? A Brief Guide to Courier's Footprint. Contemplating Oblivion? First Steps on the Seeking Road. Gone NORTH? Opened the gate? Throw your character in a well.
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 NinjaComedian Posts: 202
7/5/2016
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The idea of the careers being deliberately asymmetrical does a lot to reassure me that becoming a Fixer might not be such a bad thing. Mainly I'm happy to know that even if I have to do extra work to get my campaign resources, the leftover Public Attentions won't go to waste.
Now if only I could get more Dirty Secrets. Other than the Campaign Resources card - which the RNG has yet to see fit to let me draw - and Flash Lays, anyone got any tips for how I can get more of them?
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 Hazel Posts: 69
7/5/2016
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I am beginning to be almost as apathetic about this election as I would about a real one. I have a newspaper and I love doing polite invitations, but alas they provide me no benefit this season. It may be time for me to take a short break. Hopefully once all's said and done, I will get to invite the fortunate winner to speak for my salon (or some similar social occasion).
[My alt declared for Jenny for RP reasons, but I only wanted to take advantage of the free gift. Naturally, I won't be campaigning with two separate accounts, that's hardly fair.]
-- "I can walk in the Mirror-Marches at the edge of dreams as easily as I might promenade in Tyrant's Gardens."
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 ochrasy Posts: 169
7/5/2016
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first of all, where are these parties I'm hearing about?
second, I'm really happy there will be more content! I feel like the stories are all still missing something.
also, besides the RNG hating me, I found this festival quite fair. you can easily get to 20, and still enjoy the other branches that are (for you career) useless.
-- Ochrasy. Monster-Hunter. Dangerous and Watchful, favors the Constables. Robitaille. Persuasive and Shadowy, fond of the Devils. Herr Horst. Seeker of Revenge. Open to all social actions on all accounts. Preferably, send any MW-providing actions to Ochrasy.
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 Mordaine Barimen Posts: 670
7/5/2016
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The parties are on the "A Polite Invitation" card. It is only added to decks of Persons of Some Importance (POSIs for short.)
-- I'm sorry, but due to policy clarifications, I will no longer be giving detailed mechanics advice on the forums.
If you still need help, try the IRC channel.
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 Barnaby Posts: 20
7/5/2016
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
Grenem wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Barnaby wrote:
Kukapetal wrote:
My character would never support the Calendar council. He knows what those revolutionaries are really up to and would gladly see them all dead if he thought he could pull it off. edited by Kukapetal on 7/4/2016 Why not? Sounds like fun.
EDIT: I can't believe it took me this long to ask it, but any info on who's backing Jenny if not the Masters? Beside the shao-lin nuns, I mean, that couldn't be enough support. edited by Barnaby on 7/4/2016 [spoiler]She's funding her campaign by blackmailing her former customers.[/spoiler] evidence, or theory?
From the Flash Lay. That woman won't die in bed, I can already tell. It will practically cause a civil war behind a curtains if she wins, apparently... Then again, she has her own sect of assassins. A delicious target indeed!
Brizayne wrote:
Y'know, I try to play this game without looking up advice, reading on forums, or spoiling storylines. What this means is that I'm stuck with a profession that has to do twice the work to progress, AND I missed out on getting Watchful footwear. Thirty fate or another year, if they're even there next year.
You're SUPPOSED to play this game without looking up shit, right? So why was I punished for it? You are not, really. You still get a decent loot and apparently the imbalance between professions is completely intended and will serve a purpose.
-- Cleavers, guns, mandrakes and a gentlemanly hat. Sort of. Request tutelage in Hunting a Certain Quarry at your own risk.
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 Gonen Posts: 817
7/5/2016
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Robin Alexander wrote:
The problem for me is that refreshes usually only affect the individual player, whereas this campaign is more about multi-player gaming . . . we're all working with each other and against each other for a candidate, so these paid-for refreshes give some candidates (and sides) a better chance.
Yes, the game's free. Yes, you can still progress. The problem is that you can progress a lot faster and a lot easier with fate, which puts other players at a disadvantage, because of the festival's design being about competition (as opposed to getting a tattoo, or hunting at zee, etc.).
Would it usually matter? No. It matters, though, because we're essentially competing.
I don't see it as a competition. Everyone is going to get the same elected mayor. As I understand, no winning side will get a bonus the others won't. It's a chance to influence the game, but that's it. No penalty for the losers, no bonus for the winners. Same mayoral opportunity card for all. (Well, no penalty except banishment from the forum for those who did not vote our mayor, Jenny, of course. Not too late to change your side, folks).
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The Ashen Anesthesiologist - Paramount Londoner
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness.
The long journey to eccentricity: On March 10th, 2018, reached 15 on all quirks, simultaneously. The Quirky Anesthesiologist
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 MrBurnside Posts: 188
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Gonen wrote:
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I don't see it as a competition. Everyone is going to get the same elected mayor. As I understand, no winning side will get a bonus the others won't. It's a chance to influence the game, but that's it. No penalty for the losers, no bonus for the winners. Same mayoral opportunity card for all. (Well, no penalty except banishment from the forum for those who did not vote our mayor, Jenny, of course. Not too late to change your side, folks). The Jovial Contrarian welcomes those who have voted against him in the past. Also those who will vote against him in the future.
He may ban you if you vote for him now though.
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 Mordaine Barimen Posts: 670
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I'd just like to note that the design on the posters for the Jovial Contrarian and Sinning Jenny are wonderful. The Bishop is a little too crazy-looking on the poster to properly enjoy the aesthetics, though.
-- I'm sorry, but due to policy clarifications, I will no longer be giving detailed mechanics advice on the forums.
If you still need help, try the IRC channel.
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 MidnightVoyager Posts: 858
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ochrasy wrote:
first of all, where are these parties I'm hearing about?
second, I'm really happy there will be more content! I feel like the stories are all still missing something.
also, besides the RNG hating me, I found this festival quite fair. you can easily get to 20, and still enjoy the other branches that are (for you career) useless.
As a fixer, this is not the experience I am having. I've already investigated all three campaigns and I'm in "eyes glass over" mode, just burning actions until it's eventually over. I'm only at career level 4 and fatigue has set in. I can't imagine wanting to do even more branches after this is done with.
I'm having regrets that I picked based on character instead of mechanics. It's nice to hear I can use this giant pile of useless public attention eventually, though.
Also a little sad about the boots. edited by MidnightVoyager on 7/5/2016
-- Midnight Voyager - A blood-cousin to predators. Collector of beasts. Affably mad.
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 Dedivax Posts: 16
7/5/2016
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Happy to hear that we Fixers will be able to use Public Attention; I've managed to reach career 7 by playing normally (I'm excluding a very generous gift I received) so I don't feel like I'm getting shafted, but one thing I'm somewhat disappointed about is that for now I have next to no reason to publish an election newspaper, even though I figured manipulating the public opinion (i.e. getting convincing rhetoric) would be right up a Fixer's alley.
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Dedivax
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