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Ferra Posts: 4 7/3/2016	The OP violated our terms and conditions, which makes specific mention of 'attempts to modify character statistics and possessions through exploits'. I've suspended their account, removed a number of illicitly acquired qualities, and appended three words to the line I quoted to make this even clearer. The exploit in question is an anticipated consequence of some player-friendly decisions we made around mobile syncing. We decided the benefits for legitimate players outweighed the potential for abuse, which in any case leaves a very distinctive database footprint. Thanks to those of you who rightly reported this; we'll periodically deactivate accounts that have taken advantage of it. edited by Flyte on 7/4/2016 -- Ferra, who is now damned for what she knows. I'm so sorry.
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Cathair Posts: 1 7/3/2016	Well, this is interesting. It's always fun to see people figure out how to 'break' games, so long as no other players are harmed (which they haven't been, in this case). Might've kept your head a little better though, if the dramatics in the document are true- both the OP and this thread could probably use a reminder that it's just a game. It's a bit silly, but this strikes me as some form of meta-seeking. The storyline simulates an act of sacrifice for knowledge, but it's still deeply constrained in how much any single player is allowed to do and know, still making you very much subject to the allowances of a higher power despite the gameplay/story mechanic of giving everything to defy such. So, this person has (supposedly) found a way to truly break the rules, facing real scorn and obscurity for the sake of knowing more than they're meant to. Fair enough!
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot) Posts: 1372 7/3/2016	Honestly? If you actually literally cheated I think it's in poor taste to come brag about it, especially since it's likely to make other people try and figure out how to do the same. But, I've also got a messed-up digestive system, and that makes me cranky. So for whatever that's worth. -- Social Actions: send them to Kade Carrion (she/her; no Tournament of Lilies, please). an_ocelot has gone NORTH and cannot benefit from social actions! Possibly-Useful Things: Spreadsheets and hints and link collections, oh my.
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Passionario Posts: 777 7/4/2016	Odexios wrote: Is there any reason people are being so upset in a game in which the multiplayer component is mostly absent? There isn't, unless you buy into silly outdated social constructs like 'community' and 'immersion'. After all, other players and their characters don't matter and there's no reason for you to care about them. You shouldn't be upset at them for doing something bad, as long as your own characters are not directly affected. You shouldn't be happy for them when they accomplish something, because it doesn't benefit your character. You shouldn't commiserate with them when something bad happens, because it doesn't hurt your character. There's no such thing as player community, because your own character exists in a perfect vacuum and is the only one that matters. Of course, there's no reason to care about your own character, either. It's just a silly browser game about fake people and their made-up lives, and it's the height of foolishness to invest any time, effort or emotions into it. If anything, Fera has done us all a favor by reminding us of this fact. -- Passionario: Profile, Story, Ending Passion: Profile, Appearance
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penknife Posts: 85 7/3/2016	While there have been exploitable bugs in the game before, and people have exploited them before, on the whole Fallen London players have been remarkably good about reporting bugs/exploits/unintended opportunities to cheat that are completely game-breaking. I'm sorry to hear that wasn't the case this time. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Penknife Most social actions welcome, no SMEN or Boxed Cats please.
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Vavakx Nonexus Posts: 892 7/3/2016	Why are there so many dislikes on half the comments here? -- Amets Estibariz, the Moulting Eidolon: Cradled by a sun all their own. Blabbing, the Hobo Everyone Knows: The One Who Pulls The Strings. A Clarity In The Darkness. Charlotte and the Caretaker: A family?
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Sir Joseph Marlen Posts: 575 7/3/2016	Angus Turner wrote: I was wondering about all those orphanage invites. Thanks for all the surprise packages, I guess? Although now that I know how and why they were sent, the whole thing sort of leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like getting a touching gift only to discover that it is stolen. Nah, I'm just kidding. Lighten up. Ferra might've lost her head, but that's no reason for you to do the same. edited by Angus Turner on 7/3/2016 edited by Angus Turner on 7/3/2016 My sentiments exactly. I don't want to just say lighten up since that seems a bit rude but...well, that actually does sum it up. I'm not saying cheer them on for cheating, but they already apologized and accept whatever the devs decide to do. I know you're concerned about cheaters in the game, and frankly you should be. It just seems a bit harsh to chastise someone after acknowledging what they did and no one got hurt. If anything, this is just another moment in Seeking history when the game glitched the hell out and a player recorded their happenings. So don't encourage cheating, but at the same time it is just a game. Let's all just have a good laugh over a glitch and not point fingers at another, lest this thread turn into a meta-seeking like some have already said we've made it. -- Sir Joseph Marlen - The Romantic Sophist Alexus Harven - The Defiant Fatalist Rose Reinhelm - The Respectful Revolutionary Cappuccino - The Perfidious Spycraft Available for any and all social actions.
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maricolous Posts: 56 7/3/2016	Also fascinating are the effects upon you as a player. I can easily see how you lost so much sleep over it. I would too. I honestly cannot see this as gloating. This is not written in a gloating tone. As long as you told the truth about how you feel about what you have done, I think you've lived through punishment enough. There's something horrific about this whole business. Hopefully the developers will be able to patch this up and prevent any more time-travellers... As darkly interesting as this was to read, I do not ever want to see someone repeat it. Ever. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Maricolousa (Finished) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kraine Mystic on the way to becoming a Glassworker, on occasional hiatus.
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BillyBones Posts: 40 7/3/2016	Broke the game to beat the most frustrating story in the game. Four b---dy times. There's some irony in that. Nicely done. Bear in mind, I wouldn't encourage someone to go out and to this, but I do think it's rather interesting what this person did. Maybe Ferra (the player, not the character) just has a very high Scholar of the Correspondence level. edited by BillyBones on 7/3/2016 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/BillyBones I'll accept any social actions, but especially chess.
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Angus Turner Posts: 72 7/3/2016	I was wondering about all those orphanage invites. Thanks for all the surprise packages, I guess? Although now that I know how and why they were sent, the whole thing sort of leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like getting a touching gift only to discover that it is stolen. Nah, I'm just kidding. Lighten up. Ferra might've lost her head, but that's no reason for you to do the same. edited by Angus Turner on 7/3/2016 edited by Angus Turner on 7/3/2016 -- The Philanthropic Scholar.
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An Individual Posts: 589 7/4/2016	There is a separation between learning the lore of Fallen London and experiencing Fallen London itself that is highlighted here. The timers, the prices, the failures. These are an important part of that experience. Robbed of these things even goats and cider lose their meaning. Completing Seeking like this certainly gives you the text, but it doesn't sound like it's been a rewarding experience. I'll be honest. If I could remove food and fuel lose from Sunless Sea so I could experience the story without it taking forever I would (actually, that might be possible some how, I haven't looked). I just don't have the time and patience to deal with that early game again these days. But I would really like to see the stories (especially since I last played it in late early access). So I can sympathize with wanting to see some of the more extreme stories of FL even if you just don't have time to grind towards the end game and beyond. The problem being that with the central server and the possibility of inter-player interaction the damage of an exploit can reach farther than a single player. In this case, it sounds like the splash damage was pretty minimal. Confessions have been made. Exploits have been flagged and kept hidden. The only person to seem to get hurt out of this was the exploiter so in the end I'd say no harm, no foul. Well, kind of foul. But nothing worth getting upset about. -- An Individual's Profile The RNG giveth and the RNG taketh away. Goat Farming or Cider Brewing? This browser extension may help. Want a Cider sip? Please refer to this guide before requesting. Scholaring the Correspondence? A Brief Guide to Courier's Footprint. Contemplating Oblivion? First Steps on the Seeking Road. Gone NORTH? Opened the gate? Throw your character in a well.
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NiteBrite Posts: 1019 7/3/2016	[spoiler]We already know about the knock from Barselaar, who did it legit not that long ago: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/Barselaar Also bonus points for 7x the sun beneath the sea and 7x Scorched by the sun[/spoiler] -- I AM currently accepting calling cards. Stats loss counter: reset, irrigo equivalent: none [00:34] <@ortab> NiteBrite's laugh is that of a condemned soul gazing into the abyss. Merciless Modiste avatar by Paul Arendt (based on an original image by Joe England) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/TheBriteModiste
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Passionario Posts: 777 7/4/2016	I feel kinda stupid now. All this time, I've been paying for Gallery of Serpents when I could've been earning 35 EPA from "harmless exploits that hurt no one" instead. I guess we've all learned a lesson or two here. -- Passionario: Profile, Story, Ending Passion: Profile, Appearance
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Grenem Posts: 2067 7/4/2016	Koenig wrote: All role playing aside, I have no idea what this is all about. Would anyone be willing to fill me in? SMEN has been reintroduced. The OP has apparently found a way to RNG-hack his way through seeking, and choose to turn back at the gate (the destroy your account or stop at the penultimate point of the quest option)- Most of the drama is over the OP RNG-hacking, because that's not exactly playing fair with the game. -- Married!:http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/takuza I will accept all social actions that do not consume free evenings- and i will provide patronage to anyone who requests it, though it will be split between all requesters. On psudeo-hiatus. Will be inactive and active and fluctuate without warning. Grinding Favors without cards: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22266-storylet-favors-grinding.aspx
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Flyte Administrator Posts: 671 7/4/2016	Thanks to everyone who reported this – I've edited the opening post with some general comments, and locked the thread.
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Grenem Posts: 2067 7/4/2016	Odexios wrote: Is there any reason people are being so upset in a game in which the multiplayer component is mostly absent? A game is, in its essence, played to have fun. If one finds fun in breaking its rules without harming anyone else, well, I can't really see anything bad in it. The achievements of the others are not worth less just because someone skirted the rules. Because it invalidates the hard work of other people, who paid to get through the same grind, using fate sources, is part of it. Another is that, if xe gets off scott-free, which, admittedly, i doubt will happen, he gets an item that has an effort value in the range of a ubergoat at least. That said, the most likely outcome is either an erase or a rollback. [A rollback being reverting the account back a week, or a month, or whatever, and an erase being the account is just gone]. -- Married!:http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/takuza I will accept all social actions that do not consume free evenings- and i will provide patronage to anyone who requests it, though it will be split between all requesters. On psudeo-hiatus. Will be inactive and active and fluctuate without warning. Grinding Favors without cards: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22266-storylet-favors-grinding.aspx
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penknife Posts: 85 7/3/2016	Have you now reported this bug/exploit to a developer? If not, and if you do feel regret about playing this way, I would suggest that providing the devs with an explanation of what you did and how you were able to do it would be a good idea. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Penknife Most social actions welcome, no SMEN or Boxed Cats please.
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Zoe DeGeest Posts: 104 7/3/2016	Distasteful. -- Zoe DeGeest, your humble churchgoing grocer, now respectable.
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SavoryBiscuits Posts: 18 7/3/2016	This is not the behavior of an ashamed person seeking contrition. This is boasting. edited by SavoryBiscuits on 7/3/2016 -- Here I am!
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 7/4/2016	Since Ferra has reported what she did and how to the devs (and has not posted details of how she did it) to the rest of us, I think she's shown reasonable contrition for any cheating. -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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mnemosius Posts: 50 7/4/2016	Flyte wrote: Thanks to everyone who reported this – I've edited the opening post with some general comments, and locked the thread. Flyte, I think you might have locked the wrong thread? Seeking Mr. Eaten's Name is presently locked, and this is not. -- The pursuit of purple is my penultimate purpose. I'm also happy to be a Persuasive Patron for any who might need one! http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Diosthenes http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/nathaniel%20grayborne - so very gone. Going NORTH does that to you.
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Odexios Posts: 35 7/4/2016	Is there any reason people are being so upset in a game in which the multiplayer component is mostly absent? A game is, in its essence, played to have fun. If one finds fun in breaking its rules without harming anyone else, well, I can't really see anything bad in it. The achievements of the others are not worth less just because someone skirted the rules. -- Odexios - A gentleman of a curious nature and a particular interest in souls. 78695 and counting! fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Odexios
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Emain Ablach Posts: 348 7/4/2016	I don't get how it invalidates anything. He/she got things by cheating, it's not the same road. There is no comparison. -- Went NORTH. Got salted. Never came back. We won't remember him. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Emain%20Ablach
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maleclypse Posts: 259 7/4/2016	I think the biggest problem for me would be having the chance to see all the delicious words...naow!... vs are the words made better by the sacrifice of my time and work to enable me to see them? I have no desire to seek, but I wish to know the words behind the various endings, it would be hard to turn away from something like that. Ah well, a truly victimless crime. -- Maintaining a controlling interest in my soul requires a pretty constant negotiation between the various shareholder interests. Thankfully the Fingerkings 23% control makes a pretty good foil to unite the other factions enough to get to 51%. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Maleclypse
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Parelle Posts: 1084 7/3/2016	Ah. Right. I feel rather silly having not completed connected my orphanage invites to this as well. They did seem to be frequent. -- Parelle, Lady Joseph Marlen. The Singular Librarian. A Midnighter, a Player of the Marvelous. pages from a dusty bookshop: a badly updated FL changelog \| Useful Guidance and Explanations
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mayexist Posts: 132 7/3/2016	--
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Darkroot Posts: 48 7/3/2016	phryne wrote: Sounds like you found a Key of Dreams... anyway, thanks for sharing! It'll be interesting to see how the devs handle this. .... unless this is actually the secret, easier way of Seeking Alexis was talking about. In that case, you'd be safe I think! edited by phryne on 7/3/2016 Fidgeting was mentioned, this wasn't an easy way through seeking. Looks more like good old fashioned RNG warping, to me. I think Alex was just hinting at some formulae we hadn't figured out at the time, rather than a cheaty method. EDIT: But this doesn't answer the big question - is the Knock a glove or a weapon!? edited by Darkroot on 7/3/2016 -- Me!
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Zero Posts: 136 7/3/2016	Interesting story. By any chance, did you discover anything about the Enigma-related Seeking option? edited by Zero on 7/3/2016 -- SEND ME CHESS AND I SHALL RECIPROCATE Daniel Ember - Once a doctor. Now something else. My Twine games
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Ferra Posts: 4 7/3/2016	penknife wrote: Have you now reported this bug/exploit to a developer? If not, and if you do feel regret about playing this way, I would suggest that providing the devs with an explanation of what you did and how you were able to do it would be a good idea. I have. Along with several other bugs I encountered in the course of things. Zoe DeGeest wrote: Distasteful. Yes. -- Ferra, who is now damned for what she knows. I'm so sorry.
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Kylestien Posts: 749 7/4/2016	I think we are being too hard on this guy. At the end of the day, no harm done. Look at this like this: he could have leaked Seeking. He did not. -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 7/4/2016	Flyte was just trying to lighten up the mood, how dare you ruin the joke -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Sir Joseph Marlen Posts: 575 7/4/2016	Ben wrote: ... "the sun benith the sea" ... intersting quality. Do you pass it back to yourself from sunless sea? Nope, good guess though! I'll mention it in the spoiler: [spoiler]On Winking Isle, you have to give up an assortment of various items. Eventually you get to a point where you get new optional (emphasis on optional) options that require you to not have other items, which cover even more item groups until a majority of your inventory is gone. Once you've passed the final optional option, you get 1 "The Sun beneath the Sea?" You can use it later to get the "Who Is Salt?" variant of the Question quality.[/spoiler] edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 7/4/2016 -- Sir Joseph Marlen - The Romantic Sophist Alexus Harven - The Defiant Fatalist Rose Reinhelm - The Respectful Revolutionary Cappuccino - The Perfidious Spycraft Available for any and all social actions.
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Kylestien Posts: 749 7/4/2016	I see some people angry at what this man has done. I can see why. But I am not. He has reported it to Failbetter so it will not be repeated. He has harmed no others in doing this. In fact looking at a couple of replies it seems some have gaimed from this rather then lost. He also seems to majorly regret this, although if that is true or a act I cannot say. AND most important of all, not only has he NOT leaked the Seeking endings, but he also has not told anyone how he did this. if noone was harmed, and the proper powers have been alerted, and he regrets his actions, and he tells noone what he saw I see no reason why he cannot speak of it. If I may ask, when you turned back, did you keep your severed head severed or did it return to your shoulders? edited by Kylestien on 7/4/2016 -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Koenig Posts: 466 7/4/2016	All role playing aside, I have no idea what this is all about. Would anyone be willing to fill me in? -- Koenig: Extraordinary. Invisible. Shattering. Legendary.
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Ferra Posts: 4 7/3/2016	an_ocelot wrote: Honestly? If you actually literally cheated I think it's in poor taste to come brag about it, especially since it's likely to make other people try and figure out how to do the same. Contrition was all I meant to convey. I did not intend to inspire anyone else to do the same, and I will not help anyone who asks. You have every right to think ill of me. It is what I expect and deserve. penknife wrote: I'm sorry to hear that wasn't the case this time. As am I. Would that I could undo it. It was, of course, not worth it. -- Ferra, who is now damned for what she knows. I'm so sorry.
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The Master Posts: 804 7/3/2016	Reading that is tempting but as im not a seeker nor do I deserve to read it, arghh, why torment me so. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Lolwolfking A very ruthless and daring doctor of the neath. No more gift exchanges, im getting too many and I can barely hold these. He has knowledge of a certain enigma, ask, you will get a clue.
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