malthaussen
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6/24/2016
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Won't Boris Johnson and Donald Trump make a lovely couple?
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"Of two choices, I always take the third."
Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards.
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lady ciel
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6/24/2016
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Nightmares 8 Raving!
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Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things.
No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible.
storynexus name - reveurciel
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Mr Sables
Posts: 597
6/24/2016
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*heavy sigh*
Nearly 52% of UK people don't think this will end badly, and it's a bit too soon for 'condolences' . . .
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lady ciel
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6/24/2016
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I'm in the UK.
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Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things.
No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible.
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Mr Sables
Posts: 597
6/24/2016
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lady ciel wrote:
I'm in the UK.
That's fair XD
I was more aiming my complaint to the OP, as the title is "to the UK". It makes it sound like it's someone from outside the UK talking . . . all day I've seen absolute abuse hurled around, some of it verging on talk about eugenics, on all sorts of social media. I was hoping to avoid it here, because there's only so much a person can take . . . the forum is usually a lovely place where people are all civil, open-minded, and open to debate. Even when they disagree, I've never seen insults or childish bickering. Seeing topics like this, then comments about 'Raving' or mockery about 'what a good couple' . . . it's disheartening.
Even if a person thought the UK made a bad choice, it seems bad taste to mock them for it.
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lady ciel
Posts: 2548
6/24/2016
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Fair enough.
Though Raving is the descriptor for reaching Nightmares 8 which was not meant as a comment on the result but more the thought of the OP's "Won't Boris Johnson and Donald Trump make a lovely couple?"
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Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things.
No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible.
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Mr Sables
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6/24/2016
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My apologies 
I was aware of the descriptor, but I thought you were applying the quality to the result of the referendum, rather than replying directly to the Trump/Boris shipping . . . no worries in either case
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CALLNXW
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6/24/2016
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Ohh, but think of the good part - the fate purchases will be VAT-free again!
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Emain Ablach
Posts: 348
6/24/2016
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I love how, in this forum, when two people seem to disagree (Robin, lady)... they talk about it like ladies and gentlemen, very politely, with respect.
Failbetter Games guys, create your own country please.
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Beau Mercy
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6/24/2016
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I'm kind of surprised that any country would make foreign policy a referendum issue. Of all governmental functions, that really seems like one to leave to elected leaders and experts.
I think leaving has more risky unknowns than remaining, but odds are things won't be so bad once markets get over these first jitters. However, I hardly claim to be an expert on anything.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
6/24/2016
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@Beau: but Scotland also had a referendum on seceding from the UK, which is arguably as much a foreign policy issue as an internal one; and Brexit is not simply about foreign affairs.
@Robin: fair enough, although my "condolences" are more directed to the possible ascension of Boris Johnson to the PM's office, hence the linkage of his name with Donald Trump. And as Brexit is an act with consequences that will extend far beyond the UK, one who is not a subject might reasonably have an opinion on the matter. If it were a bye-election in Birmingham, then my opinion might have less grounds.
But it is quite understandable if you have been surfeited with people cracking wise about the results who have not a primary interest in the question.
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Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards.
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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absimiliard
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6/24/2016
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I hold opinions on the topic but I firmly believe that no matter external entanglements the rights of a People to seek Independence for themselves is an inherent one and must be respected by outsiders.
So I keep quiet, as best I can.
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Eating nightmares from friends -- and I'm easy to befriend.
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Mr Sables
Posts: 597
6/24/2016
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malthaussen wrote:
@Robin: fair enough, although my "condolences" are more directed to the possible ascension of Boris Johnson to the PM's office, hence the linkage of his name with Donald Trump. And as Brexit is an act with consequences that will extend far beyond the UK, one who is not a subject might reasonably have an opinion on the matter. If it were a bye-election in Birmingham, then my opinion might have less grounds.
But it is quite understandable if you have been surfeited with people cracking wise about the results who have not a primary interest in the question.
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Ah, I see, no problem . . .
Apologies for being over-sensitive to it; I've had to deal with a lot in terms of the aftermath, such as people arguing those over 65 shouldn't be allowed to vote, or comments about how people without formal education are more prone to vote out (with strong implications the lack of formal education makes them less intelligent), and recently demands for a second referendum (which makes a mockery of democracy). Those are the nicer people, too, as some has resorted to very crude language and offensive terms . . . not just Brits, but people from abroad. There are also comments on how we should have voted by foreigners, which I find irksome (I will admit), as it feels like a matter for Britain to decide.
I can see full well what you mean about consequences extending further, which I can't deny at all . . . I will say that we have two years to leave, so it's entirely possible things will settle in that time and balance out, meaning the rest of the world will soon learn where it stands in relation to these changes. The biggest impact will be in Europe, in personal opinion. I think what happens next could potentially inspire referendums in other EU countries, particularly those with high levels of euro-scepticism.
Opinions are perfectly fine, of course, but sometimes it easily crosses the line into personal attacks . . . when I read your topic title and saw the first comment, without anything else to go by, I thought it was going to be one of those threads. I'm glad it's turned out to be anything but, as it feels much more like a safe space now
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Zero
Posts: 136
6/24/2016
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I don't know anything about politics and economy, so probably I can't comprehend the full scale of this event... I'm just bummed out on a personal level because landing an UK internship (maybe at Failbetter Games) will be much more difficult for an european from now on.
UK I don't want to invade you, I just want to learn your language ;_;
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Chris Gardiner
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6/24/2016
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It's ok to talk about this here, and everyone is being civil and adhering to the forum rules. Given how caustic and pungent this referendum has been, though, I want to make sure that hostility doesn't infect our beautiful community.
So I implore everyone posting in this thread: please be respectful, please be kind, and - above all - listen at least as much as you speak.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
6/24/2016
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@ Robin: The same sorts of things are being posted on boards which are primarily concerned with US politics, so you have my sympathy. As for the EU, there is a lot of discontent with the folks in Brussels, so I would not be surprised to see other referendums myself. The age breakdown of the Brexit vote is interesting, we've had much the same thing happening in the US with the Democratic Primary vote. But it is just tosh to blame everything on the older generation.
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"Of two choices, I always take the third."
Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards.
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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Theus
Posts: 311
6/24/2016
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I'm personally glad to have this discussion happening between those in the UK and those in the US. There are many parallels and a genuine opportunity to learn from others. To those who are personally affected, I hope it's not disrespectful to use this as a case study. It seems like the acceleration of media machines hasn't quite given enough time or space for personal reflection.
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The Duke of Waltham
Posts: 150
6/24/2016
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Beau Mercy wrote:
I'm kind of surprised that any country would make foreign policy a referendum issue. Of all governmental functions, that really seems like one to leave to elected leaders and experts.
It can't be worse than this. And I'm speaking as a Greek.
I dislike referendums in general, because they are rarely justified. As much as I mistrust the motives of politicians, they are usually more competent to make these decisions than an entire people.
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Curious Foreigner
Posts: 210
6/24/2016
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As a swiss, I live and love referendums. They're a beautiful thing, and I believe many places could use more of them.
That said, deciding wether or not to stay in the EU was probably not the wisest way to start out doing them. These thing need to be balanced carefully, and that takes time and trying. It seems a bit like attempting your first try at juggling, and using axes.
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Cochimetl went North, and beyond. No poems, only candlelight now. (Well, maybe one poem.)
The Gun-Toting Gallivanter, after an extended absence, is back in London again.
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Tyrone
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6/24/2016
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It's too early to tell
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