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Absintheuse
Absintheuse
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6/10/2016
We're continuing to improve how a character's gender and choice of term of address appears in Fallen London. Having had the chance to see how the changes we made in March impacted on the game, and factoring in your feedback, we’ve made a few tweaks, you can read all about it here.


If players wish to choose a different title, you will find the option on ‘The Roof-Tops: Urchins’ Opportunity Card.
edited by Absintheuse on 6/17/2016
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Diptych
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6/10/2016
Failbetter Blog wrote:
In addition to that, to allow greater self-expression, players can choose any avatar cameo during character creation, regardless of gender.


Just dropping that in there casually? That's big, cool news! I'm happy to see Er-Er-Yes return, too - it wasn't for everyone but it was nice to have!

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Kittenpox
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6/10/2016
This doesn't affect me directly, but I'm glad to hear it! :-D

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Mr Sables
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6/10/2016
Absintheuse wrote:
We're continuing to improve how a character's gender and choice of term of address appears in Fallen London. Having had the chance to see how the changes we made in March impacted on the game, and factoring in your feedback, we’ve made a few tweaks, you can read all about it here.



Great news! smile

I noticed - in the preview cameos - I still only have those for indistinct gender. Will pre-existing players be able to change their avatar cameos to any of any gender later on, too?
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babelfishwars
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6/10/2016
Robin Alexander wrote:
Absintheuse wrote:
We're continuing to improve how a character's gender and choice of term of address appears in Fallen London. Having had the chance to see how the changes we made in March impacted on the game, and factoring in your feedback, we’ve made a few tweaks, you can read all about it here.



Great news! smile

I noticed - in the preview cameos - I still only have those for indistinct gender. Will pre-existing players be able to change their avatar cameos to any of any gender later on, too?



Er... That will be a thing. Sorry - it was meant to be implemented and the wrong switch was flicked or a button wasn't pressed or... we're on it.

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babelfishwars
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6/10/2016
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Failbetter Blog wrote:
In addition to that, to allow greater self-expression, players can choose any avatar cameo during character creation, regardless of gender.


Just dropping that in there casually? That's big, cool news! I'm happy to see Er-Er-Yes return, too - it wasn't for everyone but it was nice to have!


We are very English. I suggested a quiet throat clearing and a meaningful glance - but apparently we had to cater for international players too. wink

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aegisaglow
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6/10/2016
Hey! This is fantastic, I just have one concern left. I love the profession Glassman, and would enjoy being addressed by the title, but my character isn't a man. Can that profession title be made more gender-neutral? It's literally the only one in the game that is gendered, so it rather stands out.

Aside from that, very happy with these changes! Can't wait for all cameos to be available--I've been holding onto my page from the Libre Visionis for precisely that reason!

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Zero
Zero
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6/10/2016
Really happy about the return of the Mysterious and Indistinct Gender! I know "person" sounded more politically correct, but this choice is much more fascinating.

(Sooner or later, I'll buy the mysterious and indistinct mug from your store. Sooner or later.)

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fortluna
fortluna
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6/10/2016
Could we also have the option of changing genders for the accounts that were obliged to for the cameo before?
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Kittenpox
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6/10/2016
fortluna wrote:
Could we also have the option of changing genders for the accounts that were obliged to for the cameo before?

That'd actually be really good - especially for those who chose gender-neutral because they wanted the squid-hats (squid-heads?) as their cameo.

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babelfishwars
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6/10/2016
Robin Alexander wrote:
Absintheuse wrote:
We're continuing to improve how a character's gender and choice of term of address appears in Fallen London. Having had the chance to see how the changes we made in March impacted on the game, and factoring in your feedback, we’ve made a few tweaks, you can read all about it here.



Great news! smile

I noticed - in the preview cameos - I still only have those for indistinct gender. Will pre-existing players be able to change their avatar cameos to any of any gender later on, too?



Look again.

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Optimatum
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6/10/2016
I assume this change will shortly visit the app as well?

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Kukapetal
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6/10/2016
I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with the changes, but I admit to being sad that the "person of mysterious and indistinct gender" returned to our profiles. My character uses a gender neutral cameo because it was the cameo that most resembled him, but is male and there's really no secret or confusion about it (he runs around shirtless). I liked having "person" in the description on his profile because it at least eliminated the gender confusion that really shouldn't be an issue with him :P

I do realize that you can't please everyone though. Just kind of a shame for me personally.
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Grenem
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6/10/2016
Robin Alexander wrote:
Kukapetal wrote:
I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with the changes, but I admit to being sad that the "person of mysterious and indistinct gender" returned to our profiles. My character uses a gender neutral cameo because it was the cameo that most resembled him, but is male and there's really no secret or confusion about it (he runs around shirtless). I liked having "person" in the description on his profile because it at least eliminated the gender confusion that really shouldn't be an issue with him :P

I do realize that you can't please everyone though. Just kind of a shame for me personally.


Call me dumb, but how is 'person' any less ambiguous than 'individual'? :-S

Or are we on about something else here :-S

Person vs. "person of mysterious and indistict gender", if i'm reading this right. one implies the gender may be known or unknown, the other that the gender is unknown.

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Kukapetal
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6/10/2016
Right. "Person" can refer to any gender, so calling my character a "person" is not incorrect. Specifically saying my character's gender is unknown, on the other hand, is definitely incorrect.
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Koh Kai Ying
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6/10/2016
Ah I would have liked to use one of the neutral portrait as a lady.

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Optimatum
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6/10/2016
Koh Kai Ying wrote:
Ah I would have liked to use one of the neutral portrait as a lady.

If I interpret right, you can! Either by paying Fate to change your portrait, or by doing the Uncovering Secrets of the Face-Tailor storyline for a Page from the Liber Visionis, which allows you to change your portrait once.

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Koh Kai Ying
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6/10/2016
Optimatum wrote:

If I interpret right, you can! Either by paying Fate to change your portrait, or by doing the Uncovering Secrets of the Face-Tailor storyline for a Page from the Liber Visionis, which allows you to change your portrait once.


Is the Page a guaranteed reward?

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phryne
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6/10/2016
Koh Kai Ying wrote:
Optimatum wrote:

If I interpret right, you can! Either by paying Fate to change your portrait, or by doing the Uncovering Secrets of the Face-Tailor storyline for a Page from the Liber Visionis, which allows you to change your portrait once.


Is the Page a guaranteed reward?

No. When you get the opp card "A familiar visitor", choose "Prevaricate".
You can also choose "Interrogate" first, cos you'll draw the card again after that, but "Capitulate" definitely ends the story.

After choosing "Prevaricate", all final choices give you the Page as reward!
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absimiliard
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6/10/2016
All I know is that person fits Absimiliard just fine and that their gender is a bit hard to determine -- and changes sometimes -- but they are definitely one of male or female.

Which is to say, "I'm good, thanks FBG."

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