Gonen
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3/29/2016
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Giving birth in the Neath - not much is mentioned on this topic, am I correct?
Where are the pregnant women? Where are the freshly baked babies out from the oven?
I don't recall seeing (reading) about any of these. Not human nor feral.
There are lost daughters and daughters which serves the law and sons as well. There are children and Urchins and those four kids at the recent EF story. There is a Grubby Kitten.
But no BABIES. No cubs, no litter. No pregnancy.
Where are the obstetrical clinics? Do we get our supply of youngsters from the surface via Cumaen Canal?
Are we all infertile here? Is that the price for Neath's longevity?
Is my character prevented from inventing the first epidural anesthesia? (EDIT - Ah, already too late. Was invented in 1885, 9 years ago)
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edited by Gonen on 3/29/2016
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The really depressing part is that hundreds of homeless children living on rooftops and in empty buildings is an authentic Surface-London quality, imported to the Neath. At least down here they have strange patron deities and a relative absence of death.
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People have definitely been born in the Neath. The chap in Cut With Moonlight was Neath-born, as are the Parabolan Kittens. I'm assuming the reason we mostly bump into children when they're a little older than newborn is that, well, there's only so many interactions one can have with a tiny baby that contribute to a story. At least an older child can have dialogue.
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Shadowcthuhlu
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One of the options on the doing good deeds cards mentions catching a runaway pram.
The reason for the lack of infants mention mirrors the actual Victorian reluctance to talk about pregnancy and their general seclusion from society when they started showing.
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NiteBrite
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3/29/2016
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The sunless sea scion legacy is literally you the player having a child while in the neath. Depending on your choices, it's even possible that you the captain can be the pregnant party in your relationship, and this all happens 100% in the neath from conception to birth. Your child even grows up to take over your legacy when you die. I'd say sunless sea scion legacy pretty much covers all aspects of this topic and proves conclusively beyond a shadow of a doubt that neathy pregnancy is totally possible.
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suinicide
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3/29/2016
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Well we have seen one pregnant woman. In the orphanage. Hope that trend doesn't continue.
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Parelle
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3/29/2016
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Ha, there's an interaction for married couples.
[Your spouse] desires some pickles and ice cream. Together. Do you accept?
Persuasive 200, broad difficulty. There is neither cucumbers under the Neath nor true ice. Convince [your beloved] that mushrooms are a reasonable substitute.
Failure: +2 cp wounds, unaccountably peckish increase.
Success: +1 sudden insight. Did you know mushrooms are also delicious when pickled?
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Success: what you did for those cucumbers will haunt you. +1 nightmares.
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Gonen
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3/29/2016
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NiteBrite wrote:
The sunless sea scion legacy is literally you the player having a child while in the neath. Depending on your choices, it's even possible that you the captain can be the pregnant party in your relationship, and this all happens 100% in the neath from conception to birth. Your child even grows up to take over your legacy. I'd say sunless sea scion legacy pretty much covers all aspects of this topic and proves conclusively beyond a shadow of a doubt that neathy pregnancy is totally possible.
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OK.
So, the more terrifying questions which must be asked are:
Where do they hide the pregnant women and babies? And Why?
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Zero
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3/29/2016
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Where do they hide the pregnant women and babies? And Why?
Probably in nurseries: children during the victorian age didn't get much outside time. I know there isn't technically an "outside" in the Neath, but still...
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Pyrodinium
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3/30/2016
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
People have definitely been born in the Neath. The chap in Cut With Moonlight was Neath-born, as are the Parabolan Kittens. I'm assuming the reason we mostly bump into children when they're a little older than newborn is that, well, there's only so many interactions one can have with a tiny baby that contribute to a story. At least an older child can have dialogue.
I'm totally game for a babysitting venture for infants and toddlers of er... 'interesting' ancestry.
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phryne
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3/29/2016
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I don't have a theory as to why the topic has remained rather invisible so far... but the massive numbers of urchins suggests we're fertile all right - though I wouldn't want to read any statistics on child mortality or child poverty in the Neath, they'd have to be depressing... which is one reason why my character aligned herself with the Urchins pretty much from the word go 
I *think* a pregnant woman was mentioned at least once somewhere but I don't recall any specifics. Anyway, raising children without sunlight and healthy food would definitely be a challenge for anyone not rich enough to import food (and the occasional mirrorcatch box for some much-needed vitamin D) from the surface. Hence the number of orphans, probably.
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Hobnail
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3/30/2016
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The really depressing part is that hundreds of homeless children living on rooftops and in empty buildings is an authentic Surface-London quality, imported to the Neath. At least down here they have strange patron deities and a relative absence of death.
It is quite a thing that the rookeries of Victorian London have been markedly improved by importation to a damnable abyss full of devils and monsters and worse.
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Jermaine Vendredi
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3/30/2016
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Shadowcthuhlu wrote:
One of the options on the doing good deeds cards mentions catching a runaway pram.
The reason for the lack of infants mention mirrors the actual Victorian reluctance to talk about pregnancy and their general seclusion from society when they started showing.
You only have to look at the treatment of ladies in an interesting condition in Trollope, and other Victorian novelists. The much less famous Mrs. Oliphant is very good for an insight into the mores of the times as they relate to women (in one novel she actually promotes the idea that a woman should perjure herself in court for the sake of her drunken, abusive fraud of a husband, because her duty to him outweighs everything else.)
So keeping this whole area under wraps is very true to Victorian life.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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3/30/2016
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Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
We already know of piscine and insect ancestry. Perhaps we can know more.
Ah, yes. Any speculations upon possible noticeable effects in such little ones?
Well if I remember my biology right some insects prefer to store their young on unwilling hosts so that the young ones can it them alive. It's probably best not to answer babysitting requests from this type of couples.
I was thinking more along the lines of noticeable ways these wee ones differ from most humans. Like trying to bite you with sharp teeth when you pick them up.
Well, that's the thing. We're still not as of yet entirely sure about just exactly WHAT the insect-human hybrid is. As for the more aquatic romances, the example we've been given so far is that they appear to be human in almost every way but at some point in time (perhaps when they realize what they are, perhaps when they become more attached/connected to zee, perhaps something else entirely) they have an urge to escape to the zee. They can either refuse the call and remain mostly human with the call to zee always in their head or give into it, jump into the ocean, and shed their fleshy body for a larger, scalier one as a big ol' fish that will roam the zees until its death. Although, there's nothing saying that these are the only options for such a person and that this is the exact route for ALL fish/human hybrids.
Mind you, there's also Maybe's Daughter. She's the daughter of an irrigo-soaked human (can she truly be called only human anymore?) and a cat (technically panther) from Parabola. Whether she was made and born in the Neath or Parabola is uncertain. She's also not the best example of what would come from a human/Parabola cat hybrid since her mom is an irrigomancer, which could have had unique effects on her. That being said, Maybe's Daughter appears human but has abilities similar to her mom in that she can affect their memory. Make of that what you will.
That's the main of what we know of humans having kids with other species in the Neath. While there's possibility that we might see new examples later on in the story, it's important to point out that the children don't necessarily have to be just like one or both of their parents. Stone, for instance, is a giant diamond mountain of glowing sunlight and her parents were a giant squid-like spacecrab and a freaking sun. So, all in all, we don't know what really is going to be coming out of the oven. Gods help us all.
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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3/31/2016
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Hah. We see an unequivocal human infant in April's EF story (just as a passing character).
Edit: I could put in a link, that would be useful: echoed here.
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Gonen
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3/31/2016
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an_ocelot wrote:
Hah. We see an unequivocal human infant in April's EF story (just as a passing character).
Really?
So before the next EF story shall I open a new topic with the title "why don't we see more Hesperidean Cider for everyone?"
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Aurelius Caro
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dov wrote:
Wasn't the Captivating Princess born after the Fall?
The Captivating Princess was born at the very moment of the Fall, to be exact.
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Pyrodinium
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3/30/2016
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Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
People have definitely been born in the Neath. The chap in Cut With Moonlight was Neath-born, as are the Parabolan Kittens. I'm assuming the reason we mostly bump into children when they're a little older than newborn is that, well, there's only so many interactions one can have with a tiny baby that contribute to a story. At least an older child can have dialogue.
I'm totally game for a babysitting venture for infants and toddlers of er... 'interesting' ancestry.
'Interesting' ancestry, eh? Care to discretely elaborate?
We already know of piscine and insect ancestry. Perhaps we can know more.
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dov
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3/29/2016
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Wasn't the Captivating Princess born after the Fall?
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Pyrodinium
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Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
I'm totally game for a babysitting venture for infants and toddlers of er... 'interesting' ancestry.
'Interesting' ancestry, eh? Care to discretely elaborate?
We already know of piscine and insect ancestry. Perhaps we can know more.
Ah, yes. Any speculations upon possible noticeable effects in such little ones?
edited by Bertrand Leonidas Poole on 3/30/2016
Well if I remember my biology right some insects prefer to store their young on unwilling hosts so that the young ones can it them alive. It's probably best not to answer babysitting requests from this type of couples.
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Bertrand Leonidas Poole
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Pyrodinium wrote:
Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
We already know of piscine and insect ancestry. Perhaps we can know more.
Ah, yes. Any speculations upon possible noticeable effects in such little ones?
Well if I remember my biology right some insects prefer to store their young on unwilling hosts so that the young ones can it them alive. It's probably best not to answer babysitting requests from this type of couples.
I was thinking more along the lines of noticeable ways these wee ones differ from most humans. Like trying to bite you with sharp teeth when you pick them up.
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suinicide wrote:
Well we have seen one pregnant woman. In the orphanage. Hope that trend doesn't continue.
I was about to ask, but then I remembered that I too am on the Light Fingers ambition, and OH HECK NO we do NOT want that to be a common thing!
It's enough to make one feel the need to sit down with a nice cup of tea, really. :-p
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Aurelius Caro wrote:
dov wrote:
Wasn't the Captivating Princess born after the Fall?
The Captivating Princess was born at the very moment of the Fall, to be exact.
Really? I did not know that. Where was this revealed?
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Bertrand Leonidas Poole
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Pyrodinium wrote:
Bertrand Leonidas Poole wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
I'm totally game for a babysitting venture for infants and toddlers of er... 'interesting' ancestry.
'Interesting' ancestry, eh? Care to discretely elaborate?
We already know of piscine and insect ancestry. Perhaps we can know more.
Ah, yes. Any speculations upon possible noticeable effects in such little ones?
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Wiwo
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Gonen wrote:
an_ocelot wrote:
Hah. We see an unequivocal human infant in April's EF story (just as a passing character).
Really?
So before the next EF story shall I open a new topic with the title "why don't we see more Hesperidean Cider for everyone?"
That is actually a question I've found myself asking. It seems like the Tomb-Colonists would have a special interest in it and surely any number of them must be exceedingly wealthy in their old age...
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