Beyond 20, what good is renown anyways? None of the others offer anything past that point, save a quirk 12 source.

Can we have the banner in-game mention this? I didn't check the forums yesterday and now it's been 20 hours since the announcement. I don't think players should be expected to check the forums everyday to get this kind of information.

Just so long as it doesn't keep me from farming Collections of Curiosities.

-- Mal

This is complete supposition, but I think players weren't intended to have such a massive incentive to increase renown. The low cap, on the contrary, seems intended to keep them liquid; to prevent hoarding. Look at the docks/orphan conflict card: only drawable when docks favors are 3 or 4. This suggests to me that being at cap isn't something players are intended to maintain.

After all main factions are implemented this system could be highly dynamic. The dynamic Favors could be a positive boon for RPers of manipulative characters, as they represent shifting favors and connections. The harder to shift Renown being a positive boon for RPers of more steadfast allies; allowing them to have a permanent investment in a faction (at the cost of immediate profitability).

I also agree, that Renown should increase the number of Favours one can have at the same time. Renown feels extremely useless and tedious at the moment, this would very neatly fix that and give a massive incentive to increase Renown. Although, I do hate that Criminal Renown adds a card to the deck that's impossible to get rid of, as Renown can't be spent. The card should at the least, be unlocked with 1 x Favours: Criminals.

Koenig wrote:

I would like renown a lot more if it increased the maximum number of favors you could hold.

Yeah, but I think the point is that The Number is 7. (Also that gaining/spending favours should feel meaningful rather than helping out someone a bit, then later turning them into your minions all the while bull-whipping them in a frenzied manner whilst screaming "BUT I HELPED YOU 23 MONTHS AGO. YOU OWE ME!")

If they wanted to make it so you could have a much larger number of maximum Favours, they might as well have stayed with the Connection system instead. :-)

Hmm... Saya said that more content may be added, so just because those factions are marginal right now does not mean that they will be forever.

The Widow has henchmen. The connection is named after the boss, but it is a large group.

The Duchess has cats, who may need Favors to trade in boxes. It would be nice to see more uses for her connection, too.

The University has two factions. Both sizable. The update may even add a third, post expedition carousel, which would be great.

I hope that the Masters have uncapped Favors.

Is there any chance that you'll rework the conversion formula to be more fair to less connected players? I posted this in the Connected: Docks thread, but based on the apparent conversion rates there, there is much more gained from each change point of connected at higher levels when compared to lower levels. That is, the rich get richer. The basic problem is that each additional level of connected over 50 takes the same amount of effort, whereas each level renown takes more effort than the one before it.

I understand if it's not a high priority for you folks, and there is virtue in having a simple linear scaling between connected and renown, but it was pretty irksome to realize that I could have gotten four times the reward for twice the work had I known the rules ahead of time, and now it incentivizes me to make a mad dash of connection grinding before renown is implemented for the rest of the factions. A more fair system would be to calculate the total change points of connected, convert that to change points of renown, and convert that to levels of renown.

(Sorry if this is overly complainy! I really like the new system both thematically and mechanically. I'm just a little critical of how we get there.)
edited by Guy Scrum on 3/18/2016

maleclypse wrote:

Because here's how criminal renown works past 5. Have some RNG, get favors. Spend that RNG for renown cps that will allow you to as far as I can tell exchange your rng for more rng for rng. Maybe that RNG will work out in you being able to exchange for mad money. Maybe you will just wait until you hit a can't discard card and have to spend your hard found rng on something other than what you wanted to.

Actually, I'll counter and say that's not true for Criminals. Unlike Docks, there are several purchasable cards which can gain you Criminal:Favours - you can get 6 or 7 cards added to your deck for that purpose. I've upped my Renown from 1 to 30 as it was easier to spend the Favours rather than wait to draw an Implausible Pennace. I also the corresponding Steadfast increase.

Docks seems different because I've not seen anything beyond changing your connected Pet and some Fate cards to increase your chance of getting Favouts.

I'll even go so far to say that you're better off starting with very little connected - the first few levels of Renown come with Favours at the Carnival. My Docks connected was 33 and I only earned Renown 1.
edited by Parelle on 3/19/2016

Hi all - we wanted to let you know that next week we'll be converting Connected: The Tomb-Colonies over to the Favours and Renown system. You can learn more about the Favours and Renown system here.


Because Tomb-Colonists is one of the lesser-used Connected qualities, the conversion of Connected to Renown will be more generous than it was with Connected: the Docks and Connected: Criminals.

Cecil wrote:

Although, I do hate that Criminal Renown adds a card to the deck that's impossible to get rid of, as Renown can't be spent. The card should at the least, be unlocked with 1 x Favours: Criminals.

But...the card that it adds is a +1 favour card, the only reason to not want it is if you need a specific card really soon but the card is good when that's not the case.

Edit: Also, it seems that currently I'm only able to get Favours: Criminals via Opportunity cards. Is this actually the case, or are there grindable storylets I can use rather than waiting for the right card(s) to appear?
If so, will this be true for all of the factions as they convert over to the new system? Just seems like maybe I was mistaken and I'd be better off grinding Connections before the conversion rather than relying on luck to be able to gather the Renown later on. I just don't know how high I should be trying to get those connections, either.
Feeling kinda lost in all this right now, and I can't figure out what is the better option. :-s

21 favors to 8, if you use exactly the right number and gain renown through the carnival first, with no excess from the carnival.
48 favors to 15, if you use exactly the right number.
30 favors from 15 to 20, if you use exactly the right number.

To get renown 50, you need about your duchess connected, if the previous examples set precendents, but getting there from 49 would be 17 favors, each from card based actions and each worth at least 3 echoes for the docks.

The optimal points are connected: 10-20 (full favors, no renown. If you don't care about renown, or don't want over 5, this is generally optimal), connected: absurdly high # (if you want renown for bragging rights). I believe 392 is roughly the point where you get no more, and hit the renown 50. However, this could be worth doing anyways- connections aren't card based, and favors tend to be very valuable, and many have high CP sources. I don't know what level 100 cp will payout, but that's probably best.

I had always assumed Renown was useless and only a marker for your previous Connection level, but it's only been in the past couple of days that I heard it unlocked certain things - and so even since before Criminals changes, I've been dunking Connnections as low as I can get them, thinking that the Renown was pointless.

But now that I'm hearing it's useful, especially for getting Quirks up from 10, what level should I have these connections at? (I don't know the formula for converting Connection to Favours/Renown, and don't presently have any Renown with anyone.)

Edit: Also, it seems that currently I'm only able to get Favours: Criminals via Opportunity cards. Is this actually the case, or are there grindable storylets I can use rather than waiting for the right card(s) to appear?
If so, will this be true for all of the factions as they convert over to the new system? Just seems like maybe I was mistaken and I'd be better off grinding Connections before the conversion rather than relying on luck to be able to gather the Renown later on. I just don't know how high I should be trying to get those connections, either.
Feeling kinda lost in all this right now, and I can't figure out what is the better option. :-s
edited by Kittenpox on 3/20/2016

th8827 wrote:

I hope that the Masters have uncapped Favors.

Considering the current grind requirements, I'm inclined to agree - or maybe seven sevens (49), and have them spent in 7-unit increments?
At the moment even getting 1CP at a time of Connected:Masters is a struggle, and to have previous efforts reduced via rounding off numbers would be disheartening to say the least.

Grenem wrote:

It's also worth noting that if you don't have the right gear, grinding connections is probably the only way to get renown 50, until better gear becomes available.

Getting to Renown 50 requires a relevant stat of 294.
So even if you have the right gear, getting to 50 is impossible if you don't also have your PoSI speciality in the required stat and have a healthy supply of mood cards.