I had always assumed Renown was useless and only a marker for your previous Connection level, but it's only been in the past couple of days that I heard it unlocked certain things - and so even since before Criminals changes, I've been dunking Connnections as low as I can get them, thinking that the Renown was pointless.

But now that I'm hearing it's useful, especially for getting Quirks up from 10, what level should I have these connections at? (I don't know the formula for converting Connection to Favours/Renown, and don't presently have any Renown with anyone.)

Edit: Also, it seems that currently I'm only able to get Favours: Criminals via Opportunity cards. Is this actually the case, or are there grindable storylets I can use rather than waiting for the right card(s) to appear?
If so, will this be true for all of the factions as they convert over to the new system? Just seems like maybe I was mistaken and I'd be better off grinding Connections before the conversion rather than relying on luck to be able to gather the Renown later on. I just don't know how high I should be trying to get those connections, either.
Feeling kinda lost in all this right now, and I can't figure out what is the better option. :-s
edited by Kittenpox on 3/20/2016

Edit: Also, it seems that currently I'm only able to get Favours: Criminals via Opportunity cards. Is this actually the case, or are there grindable storylets I can use rather than waiting for the right card(s) to appear?
If so, will this be true for all of the factions as they convert over to the new system? Just seems like maybe I was mistaken and I'd be better off grinding Connections before the conversion rather than relying on luck to be able to gather the Renown later on. I just don't know how high I should be trying to get those connections, either.
Feeling kinda lost in all this right now, and I can't figure out what is the better option. :-s

th8827 wrote:

Kittenpox wrote:

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Feeling kinda lost in all this right now, and I can't figure out what is the better option. :-s

For Criminals, the highest that you would need is 20 Renown. You can go much higher, though.

The conversion rate is 1 Favor for 1 CP Renown using the Connected item (Skeleton Key and Pewter Mug), using the standard leveling procedure for qualities.

Besides the Carnival storylet, which locks at 5 Renown, there is no non-card grind that I know of. Favoring the Docks in a conflict gets you 3 Favors, though, which makes Supply grinds easier (at least until urchins get reworked). It only appears at 3-4 Favors Docks, though. The Criminal/cops Conflict only happens at 7 Favors, so it is not really useful for gaining Favors. However, if you made Jack angry, and he is around, the Smoky Flophouse is a great source of Criminal Favors.

MrBurnside wrote:

I just want to note here that the 1 Favor = 1cp Renown is only true until Renown reaches 8. It then gives 2cp per Favor and finally goes to 6+cps per Favor at Renown 15. Discovering that was a delightful surprise.

Edit: This is true of both Criminals and Docks, but is only probably universal going forward.

For those which have converted over already, I figure it's just a matter of grinding Favours then cashing them in for Renown. I likely won't do that with Criminals for quite some time (because I require those for my current long-term grind), but I haven't looked too much into Docks - and perhaps I should, as I seem to have a couple of good sources for their Favours. (I'll have to check with the Galatea crew if they still provide bonuses to Docks.)

The part I was unsure about though, is about raising the Connections *before* they're changed to the new system. Should I leave them at Connected:{Faction} {As close to 0 as I can get}, or get them to Connected:{Faction} {Maybe like 10-20}, or Connected:{Faction} {50-ish or more}, or Connected:{Faction} {Insert number here}?
Or would I need to raise them as high as my Connected: Duchess (which is currently at 392) meaning that it would take so many Actions that it's not even worth it, and I'm better off waiting until AFTER the change to the Renown/Favours system before gathering Renown?

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But, while we're on the topic of converting Favours->Renown, would that mean if I was going from 0 Renown (which I currently have with everyone), I'd need to spend around 84 Favours to get from 0 Renown to 20? (So around 170 actions, give or take?) Or am I doing the maths wrong?
edited by Kittenpox on 3/20/2016

It's also worth noting that if you don't have the right gear, grinding connections is probably the only way to get renown 50, until better gear becomes available.

Grenem wrote:

It's also worth noting that if you don't have the right gear, grinding connections is probably the only way to get renown 50, until better gear becomes available.

Getting to Renown 50 requires a relevant stat of 294.
So even if you have the right gear, getting to 50 is impossible if you don't also have your PoSI speciality in the required stat and have a healthy supply of mood cards.

I would like renown a lot more if it increased the maximum number of favors you could hold.

I hope that the Masters have uncapped Favors.