babelfishwars
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3/10/2016
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As you may have seen here: http://failbettergames.tumblr.com/post/140748143699/the-mysterious-and-indistinct-art-of-pronouns - we're making some changes to the way people in Fallen London will address you.
- The game will get out of the way of your character’s gender, and take the Sunless Sea approach of asking for your preferred form of address.
- We’re adding titles (some of which will be unlockable, depending on profession and other factors).
- Established players will be given a patch card allowing them to choose a new preferred form of address.
- The character sign-up screen will be the same, and your chosen gender will still be shown on your profile.
Some of these changes are now active, the rest will be implemented over the next few days.
Any bugs, please send them to support@failbettergames.com
Let us know what you think.
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Passionario
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3/11/2016
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"I'm literally Canon. Don't contradict me, you apocryphal piece of fanfiction."
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NiteBrite
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3/10/2016
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I got excited seeing the term Monster, but then I saw it had the word hunter after it. I guess my reputation abomination just isn't high enough yet for people to say "Greetings, you Monster".
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Appolonia
Posts: 248
3/10/2016
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Is there any chance the chosen 'Addressed As' could display on the Profile? It would be a great boon to player to player social actions to know in advance how a person prefers to be addressed.
Surely the urchins could be bribed to tell us all!
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SavoryBiscuits
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3/11/2016
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A bit disappointed that 'ah, Si-, er, Mad-, er, yes' is no longer even an option. As a helmeted humanoid shape with a roiling mass, I was quite fond of it.
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Valiant
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3/11/2016
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Passionario wrote:
"I'm literally Canon. Don't contradict me, you apocryphal piece of fanfiction."
Or a redoubtable war device which is devastating at such close range. Who wants to argue now?
On a related note, I'd really like "governor" to be added some time in the future. Over 400 terms in Port Carnelian, and still no one wants to acknowledge my position!
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th8827
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3/10/2016
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Cotton Dee wrote:
"You monster"
I support this suggestion.
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Lord Vaustus
Posts: 201
3/11/2016
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I just realized something... My characters current name is Lord Ivaustus. If I chose the "Lord" title, my name will be... Lord Lord Ivaustus. : (
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Anne Auclair
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3/10/2016
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Seeker, for when seeking comes back. So sensible Londoners will know who to avoid :P
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Sara Hysaro
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3/10/2016
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This was the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in my Fallen London history. Thankfully it is not permanent, otherwise I'd probably still be staring at the storylet and fidgeting.
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
3/10/2016
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We could have gender-neutral titles based on our novels/poetry:
Tragedy of Romance - Tragedian
An Allegorical Satire - Satirist
Epic Poetic Cycle - Poet
Tale of the Future - Futurist
Gothic Romance - Romanticist
Patriotic Adventure - Patriot
PS: Why did the urchin backed away when Pyro told them that he should be called Monster-Hunter? I mean, we're like cuddly seal puppies.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
3/11/2016
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LawrenceKeyworth wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
This is cool ^_^
Though I think there should be a feminine version of the "glassman" title. Say, "glasslady." Glassman is currently the only profession title that has a masculine attribute in it. That was fine when it was simply the name of the profession ("man" in such a context being an acceptable short word for humanity), but if its a lady's form of address it should be feminine, no?
I absolutely agree! That's actually why I didn't choose that for my character despite being a glassman. I'm of "mysterious and indistinct gender" and if that had been "glassperson" I would have picked it in a heartbeat. As it is, my profession causes me quite a bit of an uneasy weird feeling every time it's mentioned.
edited by LawrenceKeyworth on 3/10/2016
Perhaps Glass-Traveler rather then Glassperson? Glass Traveler does the job and sounds better, I think.
edited by Anne Auclair on 3/11/2016
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dov
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3/10/2016
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Actually, 'Governor' really makes a lot of sense to those who have completed a term. It fits with the other titles, and is also a common way to address someone who was actually a governor.
I'm surprised there is no Fate-locked option for something exotic, as in the House of Chimes ("Your Highness", maybe?)
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Parelle
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3/10/2016
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absimiliard wrote:
Oh, whoever suggested "Neighbor", that's pretty good too.
It's a particular day in the Neathly-hood,
A particular day to be 'neath the world
Could you be mine,
Would you be mine?
Won't you be... My neighbor?
(Sorry. You too may enjoy a first class ear worm courtesy of the young'uns running about my home).
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Toran
Posts: 193
3/10/2016
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Another option:
Lunch
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Ian Hart
Posts: 437
3/10/2016
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"Hero" for those who have gotten rid of Jack.
"Player" for those who have made sufficient progress in Ambition Enigma.
"Agent(of the masters)" for those with sufficient Connected: The Masters and/or Fist of the Bazaar.
In fact, one for each of the connections would be great, with an unlock requirement of a lot of renown and some favours. "Kingpin" for sufficient criminals, etc.
Edit: Also, does anyone know the origin of the title "Canon"?
edited by Ian Hart on 3/10/2016
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Kestrel Zestvim
Posts: 40
3/10/2016
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Well, I personally clapped with glee and cried "frabjous day!" when I signed into Fallen London! I'd been looking forward to this with Considerable Eagerness--I'm genderqueer, as is my character. I'm firmly in Camp Thank-You-For-Making-This-Affordable-and-Easy-to-Switch, but I don't forsee doing so. Doctor suits my character and gender needs admirably, and calls to my mind a variety of fun associations (time traveler, healer, scholar, charlatan, inventor...) I'm a wee bit disappointed I can't slip "lady" off my profile, simply because I've signed many notes "Mx. Zestvim" only to get a kindly-meant "dear lady!" back--but I've put my title on my scrapbook, and that ought to help.
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metasynthie
Posts: 645
3/10/2016
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Note for people using the title storylet: some of the costs are not listed as costs (price-tag), but as unlock requirements (padlock) -- however, if there are items listed in the requirements, they may be consumed! Just so you know!
Looks like the highest-tier Professions each have a title, quite cool!
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Kylestien
Posts: 749
3/11/2016
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Errr... I'd just like to ask if we can get the Addressed As on the Write A letter option rather then Connected Urchins. I mean I like the names but I don't likr relying on chance for them.
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Alaskan Sky
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3/11/2016
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I'm really happy about these titles! I picked 'Madam' but only because I couldn't decide. I would have liked to see more exotic terms. I can't think of any off of the top of my head, though. However, weirdly, I would have also liked to see 'Mistress'. In my mind, it has a certain air of mystery.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
3/13/2016
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"Doctor," of course, applies to more professions than medicine, although many with Doctoral degrees do not use the title. (In the U.S., for example, lawyers are "Doctors of Jurisprudence," but instead of calling themselves "Doctor," they have appropriated the title "Esquire," which is really rather odd).
"Master," as suggested upthread, can also cover ship owners and those who have mastered a craft, but it is perhaps not used in the London that has fallen, because of those other Masters, who might frown on the usurpation of their titles. "Mistress," on the other hand, was once the common form of address for all women, married or otherwise, but that usage has fallen out of favor. I'm kind of surprised it has not made a comeback, since "Miss" and "Mrs" have largely become obsolete, but I'm sure there are good reasons for it.
As we are in London, it might be appropriate to have forms of address which were commonly used for non-English of certain nationalities, such as "Monsoor," "Mynheer," and "Don," but that might be pushing things. ("Don" would also work for more, ah, unsavory elements, although I don't think it was usual to refer to criminal overlords as "Don" in London)
"Squire" would be a good addition, it was not uncommon for the proles to address their social superiors as such, even if the individual so-addressed did not in fact own any land.
"Goodman" or "Good Fellow" was often used by the upper classes to address the proles, with "Goodwife" (abbreviated "Goody") for females, but of course these addresses are both gender-specific and obsolete (unless they persisted/persist in regional dialect, but we're in Middlesex).
I personally prefer "Being" to "Person" (and use that form of address myself when gender is indeterminate), because I think "Person" does carry an overtone of humanity to it. The problem, though, with "Gentle Being" or "Gentle Person" is that it conveys a stature of gentility, and some of our characters not only lack that stature, but despise it. One who is proud of, or notorious for, his abominable status would not likely want any title which smacked of civility.
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
3/10/2016
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My character is thrilled to finally be addressed as "Sir." It drove him up the wall that, despite having a very masculine name and running around SHIRTLESS, people still seemed confused about his gender. This will definitely cut down on the number of people he wants to punch in a typical day. Thanks FBG!
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Snotra
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3/10/2016
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'Your Grace' is rather neutral. It can refer to a Duke or Duchess or Bishop. 'Oi, You' could also work for the less than precious.
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thedeadlymoose
Posts: 214
3/11/2016
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As a non-binary person, I am very happy to see this happen. The fact I have played Fallen London every day for almost two years is very directly related to seeing that initial choice of "Mysterious and Indistinct Gender" and feeling like I belonged here.
The "whatever you are" stammer-pronouns were funny at first, but they got wearing, for reasons which you might guess.
(That said, I would totally see it as okay if someone were able to select those as an actually voluntary form of address. Maybe if you're a person who deliberately sees yourself as ostentatiously non-human looking.)
My partner's response, who is also non-binary and also plays FL character (just one, as opposed to my three): "This is neat. If only it were so simple in real life"
Lots of good future title suggestions in this thread. "Citizen" was an important addition as an alternative to Sir and Madam -- thank you! And the existing Profession titles were very cool, and their text flavorful.
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Parelle
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3/10/2016
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I've just drawn the Urchins (they're awfully busy, aren't they) and changing your form of address has exactly the same costs (and you could in theory change it to your current title). I'm thankful it doesn't take Fate.
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babelfishwars
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3/10/2016
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Appolonia wrote:
Is there any chance the chosen 'Addressed As' could display on the Profile? It would be a great boon to player to player social actions to know in advance how a person prefers to be addressed.
Surely the urchins could be bribed to tell us all!
You could add it to your Scrapbook, as here: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Moomin
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Kaijyuu
Posts: 1047
3/10/2016
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I really wanted a "sir- er, madam- er, whatever" option. Not just a non-gendered term but one highlighting it.
edited by Kaijyuu on 3/10/2016
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phryne
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3/10/2016
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I think they should add the (mumble) form of address from Sunless Sea, I always thought that was hilarious... 
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Myrto
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4/2/2016
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I picked Citizen as Myrto's title several weeks ago by default, having disliked all the others. But now I'm finding I like it less and less, now that FL characters are actually calling Myrto "Citizen." It feels like Myrto's playing a cameo in the French Revolution.
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The Duke of Waltham
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3/31/2016
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I see I'm rather late to the party, having been away for a few weeks, so I'll try to be brief.
Snotra wrote:
'Your Grace' is rather neutral. It can refer to a Duke or Duchess or Bishop.
I wanted that for myself, but had to settle for "My Lord".
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
"Sergeant" and "Lieutenant" are both police ranks - the former more common than the latter.
Only Sergeant is a police rank in Britain; above that are Inspector and Chief Inspector. When the Metropolitan Police was created, there was a conscious effort to make it as distinct as possible from the army because of the latter's unpopularity (hence blue uniforms instead of red), so the exclusion of titles such as Lieutenant was deliberate.
dov wrote:
Actually, 'Governor' really makes a lot of sense to those who have completed a term. It fits with the other titles, and is also a common way to address someone who was actually a governor.
Again, this is American practice. It is not, I understand, common in Britain to refer to someone by a title they no longer hold, retired military officers and bishops notwithstanding (both special cases). After all, anyone important in Victorian England who didn't already have a peerage or knighthood (and many who did) was usually given one in consequence of their achievements, especially in the later years. Most former governors of British colonies would therefore be addressed as "Sir [Name]" or "Lord [Title]" (unless they held at the time another office that entitled them to a particular style), something you can actually see in practice here.
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absimiliard
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3/10/2016
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Good ideas for a better term, but I think Ocelot got the best of the lot in the first try.
I'm having a really hard time topping "Friend", though for some it might carry Quaker connotations I quite like it.
I'm partial to "Elder", but it would only work for older characters. (or Mormons, of course)
It's tough though, coming up with a good gender-neutral term of address that doesn't involve a profession, or being tied to one or more political factions in the Neath.
Oh, whoever suggested "Neighbor", that's pretty good too.
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Parelle
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3/10/2016
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Comrade is even more pro-revolutionary than Citizen (think Soviet Russia rather than Revolutionary France).
Other suggestions for unlocks:
Archeologist (could definitely be Professor I suppose)
Governor/Excellency (Successful term)
Detective (Velocipede squad)
Mystic (or something related to the Glass/Shroud conflict)
Officer (rather than specific ranks? Could also work for constable types)
Tutor: unfinished with the university
Other suggestions for mentally younger characters
Miss (for those who'd prefer not to be Madam yet)
Master (for the younger gentleman set)
Young'un
Reader
Student
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absimiliard
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3/10/2016
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I just got hit up by the urchin for a preferred form of address. I would like to say I'm pleased, but I'm not.
There seems to be no generic, non-gendered, term available. All the non-gendered terms are profession related -- not in the game sense of profession but in the normal sense. In the case of "Citizen" it's carrying that whole egalitarian, revolutionary, thing -- which my character is very much not (despite what all the marks they ply for information believe).
I ended up choosing Lieutenant as it seemed the only thing even close to anything in my character's history as a zailor.
I guess I'll need to begin the storyline involving curing my character's terror of the Zee. (coming from Sunless Sea the Terror is a very real thing) The only non-gendered terms I'm really feeling happy with is 'Captain', and I can't get that without getting a ship.
Bother.
I'd been hoping to put off the whole POSI thing for much longer. (at a minimum until I had a natural 100 in all stats)
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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3/10/2016
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absimiliard wrote:
There seems to be no generic, non-gendered, term available. All the non-gendered terms are profession related -- not in the game sense of profession but in the normal sense. In the case of "Citizen" it's carrying that whole egalitarian, revolutionary, thing -- which my character is very much not (despite what all the marks they ply for information believe). Let's brainstorm some options.
. . . what else?
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Appolonia
Posts: 248
3/10/2016
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an_ocelot wrote:
]Let's brainstorm some options.
. . . what else?
Londoner
Neathperson
Neighbor
Fallen-folk (I think we could all be collectively called the 'Fallen', i.e., person from Fallen London)
I would defer to those who play characters of ambiguous gender as to what they like best.
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Rysiek
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3/10/2016
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Please add constable some time... have no idea what else fits a cop...
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Diptych
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3/10/2016
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"Sergeant" and "Lieutenant" are both police ranks - the former more common than the latter.
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Cotton Dee
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3/10/2016
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"Detective"
"Chef"
"Brother"
"Sister"
"Father"
"Inspector"
"Postman"
"Boss"
And on a less serious note:
"Dragonborn"
"The hero of Kvatch"
"You monster"
"Houoin.... KYOUUUUUUUUUUMA. HAHAHAHAHAHA"
"Dude"
"Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude"
"True Believer"
"The Doctor"
"Graverobber"
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LawrenceKeyworth
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3/10/2016
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Anne Auclair wrote:
This is cool ^_^
Though I think there should be a feminine version of the "glassman" title. Say, "glasslady." Glassman is currently the only profession title that has a masculine attribute in it. That was fine when it was simply the name of the profession ("man" in such a context being an acceptable short word for humanity), but if its a lady's form of address it should be feminine, no?
I absolutely agree! That's actually why I didn't choose that for my character despite being a glassman. I'm of "mysterious and indistinct gender" and if that had been "glassperson" I would have picked it in a heartbeat. As it is, my profession causes me quite a bit of an uneasy weird feeling every time it's mentioned.
edited by LawrenceKeyworth on 3/10/2016
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Posts: 1372
3/10/2016
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Ian Hart wrote:
"Agent(of the masters)" for those with sufficient Connected: The Masters and/or Fist of the Bazaar.
I think "Agent" would be good as a general term--people who incline toward the Great Game could use it, or those who see themselves as Agents of some other larger cause (would Liberation of Night folks like it?). Anyway, it seems pretty wide-ranging and neutral to me.
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KShep
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I chose Captain because it's closest to Commander, but now I'm questioning my choice... Wondering if I should go with Lieutenant instead, or perhaps Monster Hunter. I love being a Monster Hunter, but I feel like it's not as natural a form of address, if that makes any sense? I'm torn!
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Erika
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Corran wrote:
You are assuming people actually need to have the job/degree to be addressed as such. Well, yes, that's what the other branches involving professions require, actually being part of the profession, professor included (although we don't get paid for that, though, it'd be really neat if we did actually..).
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Zero
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3/13/2016
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Cecil wrote:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it I'm actually pretty happy about it; my character was a doctor before fleeing to the Neath, and not being able to quickly acquire the profession really bothered me.
I think the title can have a broad range of justifications ... Everyone with a graduate degree is technically a "doctor". Thus said, a Watchful requirement could actually make sense - you gotta study to get that degree.
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Erika
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I second having Addressed As under Write a Letter, which would be much more intuitive. Could be played up as sending letters informing all of your contacts and friends that the change has happened.
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it, and considering the nature of vitality in the neath, a Mystery of the Elder Continent or the Boatman's Opponent would also work, really this could be a really cool thing if done right.
On the topic, Write a Letter is a bit disorganised, it feels really strange that Favourable Circumstances isn't under Society and Scandal, and that naming pets isn't under Write a Letter (easily played up as filling out a form to the Constables).
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Appolonia
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I like "Miss" - good idea! I'd have taken that if it was an option.
Lots of good suggestions in this thread.
Some other neutral concepts, that might work for players of all levels:
Zailor
Urchin
Scholar
Investigator
Artist
Newcomer
Ex-convict
Dilletante
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Psyche Labyrinth
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3/10/2016
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Creature. When it comes to Fallen London who knows if the person you're addressing is even human?
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Anne Auclair
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3/10/2016
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Pyrodinium wrote:
We could have gender-neutral titles based on our novels/poetry:
Tragedy of Romance - Tragedian
An Allegorical Satire - Satirist
Epic Poetic Cycle - Poet
Tale of the Future - Futurist
Gothic Romance - Romanticist
Patriotic Adventure - Patriot
I like these. The urchin can give you literary criticism.
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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Ooh, decisions, decisions . . . I think the closest to how I see my character is "Professor," even though I've never before considered such a formalized approach to "must know everything." Fun!
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Parelle
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3/10/2016
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The ones for professor (25 compromising documents,1 Uncanny Incunabula) were consumed.
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Mr Sables
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3/10/2016
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an_ocelot wrote:
absimiliard wrote:
There seems to be no generic, non-gendered, term available. All the non-gendered terms are profession related -- not in the game sense of profession but in the normal sense. In the case of "Citizen" it's carrying that whole egalitarian, revolutionary, thing -- which my character is very much not (despite what all the marks they ply for information believe). Let's brainstorm some options.
. . . what else?
- fellow (perhaps)
- comrade
- compatriot
- ally
- associate
. . . I don't think English really lends itself to gender-neutral terms :-S
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genesis
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3/10/2016
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These are rather reaching for it it, but nonetheless...:
*Servant/Subject of her Enduring Majesty
*Esquire (yes, I know in practice in the real world it's masculine but its nature is gender neutral and can be used by women in certain professions)
*Personage
* Gentle One
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Diptych
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Robin Mask wrote:
To be fair, they're also military ranks . . .
Oh, yeah, totally. I'm just saying, I wouldn't for a moment look askance at anyone who used them to represent police ranking instead.
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Darkroot wrote:
Also, requesting "Baron/Baroness" as titles in future.
A Baron or Baroness would very much fit under Lord/Lady! (Hubris is a Baron - he's more properly Lord Hubris. Sir Frederick probably isn't actually a Baronet - it's most likely just a pen name.)
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Mr Sables
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dov wrote:
Before I make my choice, do we know how this quality can be changed later? Is this readily accessible, or is this similar to how the POSI specializations "can be changed later"?
It's on the 'urchin' card.
It's very easy to find, assuming the RNG likes you, as I've already seen it today since having set the terms. It takes only the items shown on the patch to change again; so around 200 hints, I believe, unless you're going for profession related terms or 'professor', etc.
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Talkes
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an_ocelot wrote:
absimiliard wrote:
There seems to be no generic, non-gendered, term available. All the non-gendered terms are profession related -- not in the game sense of profession but in the normal sense. In the case of "Citizen" it's carrying that whole egalitarian, revolutionary, thing -- which my character is very much not (despite what all the marks they ply for information believe). Let's brainstorm some options.
. . . what else? Going clerical: Father, Eminent, ..., similiar well-known and widely used terms for positions in other religions (I'm not well informed on the matter)- Chief - constable chief, gang chief/boss, tribe chief (this one probably searching for a cow-sized diamond or avenging his beloved)
- Chef
- Master - for expert craftsmen or any persons of significant proficiencies
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Parelle
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Canon: a clergyman attached to a cathedral, as part of the cathedral's chapter. That isn't usually an independent priest in charge of their own church (rector or vicar) or working under a priest (curate).
I have to say, I'm quite fond of that title and will definitely be using it when I resume being a Midnighter
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SarahTheEntwife
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I'm oddly delighted by the option for "doctor" to have your character claim professional status they may not be at all entitled to, like the titles of nobility.
I echo other people in wanting to see this added to the profile and/or letter-writing sections so that we can use the new titles as well as the NPCs do. Meanwhile, I've been abbreviating Citizen as "Ctz." in correspondence, as one would Dr. or Ms.
Edit: I also agree that it would be great to have a truly neutral gender-neutral title without the revolutionary inflection of "Citizen". I like the possibilities of Friend. In non-fallen non-London it always sounds somehow kind of snide unless you're Quaker or Mr. Rogers, but since the term is used so often in the generic in FL it could be a very nice option.
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Mr Sables
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Ian Hart wrote:
"Hero" for those who have gotten rid of Jack.
"Player" for those who have made sufficient progress in Ambition Enigma.
"Agent(of the masters)" for those with sufficient Connected: The Masters and/or Fist of the Bazaar.
In fact, one for each of the connections would be great, with an unlock requirement of a lot of renown and some favours. "Kingpin" for sufficient criminals, etc.
Edit: Also, does anyone know the origin of the title "Canon"?
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I think they have one for Jack? I'm sure I spotted it?
It'd be great to eventually have a longer list, like what you have for the Rose tattoos . . . I kind of hoped there'd be one for the Masters, too, based maybe off your level of connection, but I can see why they'd leave it off for the time being. It probably makes things easier to have a smaller list, until they can get an idea of what works and doesn't work, as well as how the gamers react.
That being said, I do long for another way to be closer to the masters, a title would be cool XD
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NiteBrite wrote:
I got excited seeing the term Monster, but then I saw it had the word hunter after it. I guess my reputation abomination just isn't high enough yet for people to say "Greetings, you Monster".
I quite like being recognized as a "Monster-Hunter" now, I have modeled my character as a hunter and this seemed as good a distinction as any. It was hard choice between this and Sergeant, because I always thought my character did some time in the Prussian Army before coming down to London.
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Kittenpox
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3/10/2016
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Robin Mask wrote:
dov wrote:
Before I make my choice, do we know how this quality can be changed later? Is this readily accessible, or is this similar to how the POSI specializations "can be changed later"?
It's on the 'urchin' card.
It's very easy to find, assuming the RNG likes you, as I've already seen it today since having set the terms. It takes only the items shown on the patch to change again; so around 200 hints, I believe, unless you're going for profession related terms or 'professor', etc.
You beat me to it - I was 2 minutes and 40 seconds too slow. :-p
Edit: (@dov - rather than leaving another comment for this... THANKYOU! <3 )
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Kittenpox
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dov wrote:
Before I make my choice, do we know how this quality can be changed later? Is this readily accessible, or is this similar to how the POSI specializations "can be changed later"?
I believe it's going to be an option on 'The Roof-Tops: Urchins' Opportunity Card.
(At least, that's what I think I read when choosing my title. It doesn't show in the echo though, so I may have misremembered that.)
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ashdenej
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I agree that it's a bit of a shame that "ah, Si-, er, Mad-, er, yes" is totally gone, even as a legacy option. I'd rather gotten used to being addressed as such.
Is this one of those "clap your hands and believe in hidden branches" sort of things? If, for example, you could get the Governor title by getting your Legacy Established, would that be hidden by default to new players - or would it instead be locked but visible, giving them something to shoot for?
E: Perhaps "Advocate" might be a good term of address? You'd either be a barrister or a supporter of... something.
And governors (as well as ambassadors & a bunch of other people) could be addressed as "Excellency", which is nicely neutral.
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maleclypse
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I was vaguely questioning a 25 echo cost to be a captain. I mean that's a little high for a title that you can change for free anytime you change high level professions. But so it goes.
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Mr Sables
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Ooh, decisions, decisions!
I was torn between 'professor' and 'Lord', but eventually opted for Lord The list of potential choices was great, and I'm so glad it's possible to change them later on, too
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Mr Sables
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
"Sergeant" and "Lieutenant" are both police ranks - the former more common than the latter.
To be fair, they're also military ranks . . .
Constable is pretty much exclusive to the police, as far as I know, plus the police will almost always be referred to by this (at least the ones Joe Public meets, as I have no doubt the police would refer to their superiors by titles such as 'lieutenant' or 'sergeant'). I think "P.C.", "Police Constable", or "Constable" would be pretty good titles to have, to be honest . . . especially as they sound more British than using ranks.
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Darkroot
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Neat. I guess the prices are to stop people from just wildly switching their terms of address? Seems odd that there are none with no reqs, though.
Also, requesting "Baron/Baroness" as titles in future.
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xKiv
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Hmm
Dude
Man/Woman
Adventurer/Adventuress
Individual
Body
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Rysiek
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Foreigner! And once Paris Tombée comes out 'Englisman...' and obviously GENERAL! THE military rank... now will Frank be lord or lieutenant... what would fit a poor noble(lost all in New Newgate) from Liverpool
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Anne Auclair
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This is cool ^_^
Though I think there should be a feminine version of the "glassman" title. Say, "glasslady." Glassman is currently the only profession title that has a masculine attribute in it. That was fine when it was simply the name of the profession ("man" in such a context being an acceptable short word for humanity), but if its a lady's form of address it should be feminine, no?
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Psyche Labyrinth
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Cotton Dee wrote:
"Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude"
I'm feeling this.
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Mr Sables
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Cecil wrote:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it, and considering the nature of vitality in the neath, a Mystery of the Elder Continent or the Boatman's Opponent would also work, really this could be a really cool thing if done right.
Yeah, I was surprised that titles like 'doctor' were so cheap . . .
Other titles related to professions were locked to those professions. If I had actually become a doctor, only for anyone to be named such, I think I'd be somewhat annoyed . . . it's not an easy profession to unlock, while other titles - like 'professor' and such - have more rigid requirements.
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Corran
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Scoundrel? Scoundrel... I like the sound of that.
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Erika
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Robin Mask wrote:
If I had actually become a doctor, only for anyone to be named such I was a doctor for an extended duration during Sacksmas, which may explain why I'm irked so.
malthaussen wrote:
"Doctor," of course, applies to more professions than medicine, although many with Doctoral degrees do not use the title. (In the U.S., for example, lawyers are "Doctors of Jurisprudence," but instead of calling themselves "Doctor," they have appropriated the title "Esquire," which is really rather odd).
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I personally prefer "Being" to "Person" (and use that form of address myself when gender is indeterminate), because I think "Person" does carry an overtone of humanity to it. The problem, though, with "Gentle Being" or "Gentle Person" is that it conveys a stature of gentility, and some of our characters not only lack that stature, but despise it. One who is proud of, or notorious for, his abominable status would not likely want any title which smacked of civility.
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When I made that post, doctorates had completely slipped my mind. I do still think a Watchful requirement of some kind would suit it even better. Though, the branch and result both strongly seem to imply a Doctor of medicine, but my opinion has been swayed and now I would much rather the option was to refer to doctorates!, a versatile title indeed.
Gentle Being/Person, I think, would also suit much better than 'Citizen' for a default gender neutral form of address.
You know, really, what all of us are asking for is a re-iteration of Admitted to the House of Chimes storylet, albeit certainly to a lesser extent.
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Looking at the list of possible "Addressed as" values, Canon appears twice (once before Sergeant besides with the other tier four professions) and Viscount and Viscountess are also listed despite no visible options to choose those. What are they from?
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Corran
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Cecil wrote:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it, and considering the nature of vitality in the neath, a Mystery of the Elder Continent or the Boatman's Opponent would also work, really this could be a really cool thing if done right.
You are assuming people actually need to have the job/degree to be addressed as such. But society/history is littered with people who chose titles to be addressed by without officially being allowed to.
Colonel Parker was never a colonel but that didn't stop him from telling people to address him as such. (Technically I could actually claim that form of address but it would be reaching.)
I'm sure lots of people enjoy having their Fallen London character be a fake doctor (timey wimey or otherwise), a fake noble or any of the other myriad options.
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