 Anne Auclair Posts: 2215
3/11/2016
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LawrenceKeyworth wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
This is cool ^_^
Though I think there should be a feminine version of the "glassman" title. Say, "glasslady." Glassman is currently the only profession title that has a masculine attribute in it. That was fine when it was simply the name of the profession ("man" in such a context being an acceptable short word for humanity), but if its a lady's form of address it should be feminine, no?
I absolutely agree! That's actually why I didn't choose that for my character despite being a glassman. I'm of "mysterious and indistinct gender" and if that had been "glassperson" I would have picked it in a heartbeat. As it is, my profession causes me quite a bit of an uneasy weird feeling every time it's mentioned.
edited by LawrenceKeyworth on 3/10/2016 Perhaps Glass-Traveler rather then Glassperson? Glass Traveler does the job and sounds better, I think. edited by Anne Auclair on 3/11/2016
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 the_antichris Posts: 49
3/11/2016
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Ahhhh, this is great! I was going to stick with Madam but then I saw Professor, and my revolutionary alt is very happy with Citizen.
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 Corran Posts: 401
3/11/2016
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Scoundrel? Scoundrel... I like the sound of that.
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 Alaskan Sky Posts: 1
3/11/2016
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I'm really happy about these titles! I picked 'Madam' but only because I couldn't decide. I would have liked to see more exotic terms. I can't think of any off of the top of my head, though. However, weirdly, I would have also liked to see 'Mistress'. In my mind, it has a certain air of mystery.
-- ---- An irresistible, breathtaking, and lethal lady. Sammeh "She explores the dark to find the light."
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 Passionario Posts: 777
3/11/2016
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"I'm literally Canon. Don't contradict me, you apocryphal piece of fanfiction."
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 Happy Londoner Posts: 74
3/11/2016
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"M'Lord!". I just LOVE the sound of it! How can one withstand? Hahahaha Great update!
-- My profile: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Happy~Londoner
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 Valiant Posts: 127
3/11/2016
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Passionario wrote:
"I'm literally Canon. Don't contradict me, you apocryphal piece of fanfiction."
Or a redoubtable war device which is devastating at such close range. Who wants to argue now?
On a related note, I'd really like "governor" to be added some time in the future. Over 400 terms in Port Carnelian, and still no one wants to acknowledge my position!
-- Sir Valiant Carrington, a heartless hedonist and honorary governor of Port Carnelian. You can ask him for a sip of Cider (here's how by an_ocelot) if you catch him in London. Farshin Jarrah, merry trickster and incorrigible optimist. Serine, gone down the well but not forgotten.
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 SavoryBiscuits Posts: 18
3/11/2016
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A bit disappointed that 'ah, Si-, er, Mad-, er, yes' is no longer even an option. As a helmeted humanoid shape with a roiling mass, I was quite fond of it.
-- Here I am!
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 Kylestien Posts: 749
3/11/2016
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Errr... I'd just like to ask if we can get the Addressed As on the Write A letter option rather then Connected Urchins. I mean I like the names but I don't likr relying on chance for them.
-- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien
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 Erika Posts: 528
3/13/2016
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I second having Addressed As under Write a Letter, which would be much more intuitive. Could be played up as sending letters informing all of your contacts and friends that the change has happened.
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it, and considering the nature of vitality in the neath, a Mystery of the Elder Continent or the Boatman's Opponent would also work, really this could be a really cool thing if done right.
On the topic, Write a Letter is a bit disorganised, it feels really strange that Favourable Circumstances isn't under Society and Scandal, and that naming pets isn't under Write a Letter (easily played up as filling out a form to the Constables).
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Where the sun is hot, the moon is beautiful, and mysterious lights pass overhead while we all pretend to sleep. Going on a fate expedition? I'm collecting data! Help me? "Bottles of Oblivion" drunk in the name of content: 57 Catboxes (send more!) opened in the name of science: 1093 Fancy a friend?
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 Mr Sables Posts: 597
3/13/2016
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Cecil wrote:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it, and considering the nature of vitality in the neath, a Mystery of the Elder Continent or the Boatman's Opponent would also work, really this could be a really cool thing if done right.
Yeah, I was surprised that titles like 'doctor' were so cheap . . .
Other titles related to professions were locked to those professions. If I had actually become a doctor, only for anyone to be named such, I think I'd be somewhat annoyed . . . it's not an easy profession to unlock, while other titles - like 'professor' and such - have more rigid requirements.
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 Zero Posts: 136
3/13/2016
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Cecil wrote:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it I'm actually pretty happy about it; my character was a doctor before fleeing to the Neath, and not being able to quickly acquire the profession really bothered me. I think the title can have a broad range of justifications ... Everyone with a graduate degree is technically a "doctor". Thus said, a Watchful requirement could actually make sense - you gotta study to get that degree.
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Daniel Ember - Once a doctor. Now something else.
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
3/13/2016
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"Doctor," of course, applies to more professions than medicine, although many with Doctoral degrees do not use the title. (In the U.S., for example, lawyers are "Doctors of Jurisprudence," but instead of calling themselves "Doctor," they have appropriated the title "Esquire," which is really rather odd).
"Master," as suggested upthread, can also cover ship owners and those who have mastered a craft, but it is perhaps not used in the London that has fallen, because of those other Masters, who might frown on the usurpation of their titles. "Mistress," on the other hand, was once the common form of address for all women, married or otherwise, but that usage has fallen out of favor. I'm kind of surprised it has not made a comeback, since "Miss" and "Mrs" have largely become obsolete, but I'm sure there are good reasons for it.
As we are in London, it might be appropriate to have forms of address which were commonly used for non-English of certain nationalities, such as "Monsoor," "Mynheer," and "Don," but that might be pushing things. ("Don" would also work for more, ah, unsavory elements, although I don't think it was usual to refer to criminal overlords as "Don" in London)
"Squire" would be a good addition, it was not uncommon for the proles to address their social superiors as such, even if the individual so-addressed did not in fact own any land. "Goodman" or "Good Fellow" was often used by the upper classes to address the proles, with "Goodwife" (abbreviated "Goody") for females, but of course these addresses are both gender-specific and obsolete (unless they persisted/persist in regional dialect, but we're in Middlesex).
I personally prefer "Being" to "Person" (and use that form of address myself when gender is indeterminate), because I think "Person" does carry an overtone of humanity to it. The problem, though, with "Gentle Being" or "Gentle Person" is that it conveys a stature of gentility, and some of our characters not only lack that stature, but despise it. One who is proud of, or notorious for, his abominable status would not likely want any title which smacked of civility.
-- Mal
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 Erika Posts: 528
3/13/2016
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Robin Mask wrote:
If I had actually become a doctor, only for anyone to be named such I was a doctor for an extended duration during Sacksmas, which may explain why I'm irked so. malthaussen wrote:
"Doctor," of course, applies to more professions than medicine, although many with Doctoral degrees do not use the title. (In the U.S., for example, lawyers are "Doctors of Jurisprudence," but instead of calling themselves "Doctor," they have appropriated the title "Esquire," which is really rather odd). [...] I personally prefer "Being" to "Person" (and use that form of address myself when gender is indeterminate), because I think "Person" does carry an overtone of humanity to it. The problem, though, with "Gentle Being" or "Gentle Person" is that it conveys a stature of gentility, and some of our characters not only lack that stature, but despise it. One who is proud of, or notorious for, his abominable status would not likely want any title which smacked of civility.
-- Mal When I made that post, doctorates had completely slipped my mind. I do still think a Watchful requirement of some kind would suit it even better. Though, the branch and result both strongly seem to imply a Doctor of medicine, but my opinion has been swayed and now I would much rather the option was to refer to doctorates!, a versatile title indeed.
Gentle Being/Person, I think, would also suit much better than 'Citizen' for a default gender neutral form of address.
You know, really, what all of us are asking for is a re-iteration of Admitted to the House of Chimes storylet, albeit certainly to a lesser extent.
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 KShep Posts: 32
3/13/2016
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I chose Captain because it's closest to Commander, but now I'm questioning my choice... Wondering if I should go with Lieutenant instead, or perhaps Monster Hunter. I love being a Monster Hunter, but I feel like it's not as natural a form of address, if that makes any sense? I'm torn!
-- K. Shepard: a Shepherd of Souls and Monster Hunter; a former Urchin with a gang of her own; a tactless but good-hearted individual who won't hesitate to commit crimes for the sake of securing justice.
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 Corran Posts: 401
3/14/2016
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Cecil wrote:
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that the title Doctor is as cheap as 200 whispered hints. It really irks me too, because there's the actual profession in game that requires Watchful 100 (modified W100 needed to be a PoSI for the Notability). Having it so readily available to everyone feels wrong. At least a Watchful requirement should be applied to it, and considering the nature of vitality in the neath, a Mystery of the Elder Continent or the Boatman's Opponent would also work, really this could be a really cool thing if done right.
You are assuming people actually need to have the job/degree to be addressed as such. But society/history is littered with people who chose titles to be addressed by without officially being allowed to.
Colonel Parker was never a colonel but that didn't stop him from telling people to address him as such. (Technically I could actually claim that form of address but it would be reaching.)
I'm sure lots of people enjoy having their Fallen London character be a fake doctor (timey wimey or otherwise), a fake noble or any of the other myriad options.
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 Erika Posts: 528
3/14/2016
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Corran wrote:
You are assuming people actually need to have the job/degree to be addressed as such. Well, yes, that's what the other branches involving professions require, actually being part of the profession, professor included (although we don't get paid for that, though, it'd be really neat if we did actually..).
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 The Absurd Rogue Posts: 1049
3/14/2016
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Comrade for sure!
-- "There is never another story. There is only one, and I try to tell it with every page. I fail, and I try again. There are no new stories; I have this one." -S.N
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/17/2016
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Looking at the list of possible "Addressed as" values, Canon appears twice (once before Sergeant besides with the other tier four professions) and Viscount and Viscountess are also listed despite no visible options to choose those. What are they from?
-- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome.
Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
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 Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518
3/17/2016
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malthaussen wrote:
"Doctor," of course, applies to more professions than medicine, although many with Doctoral degrees do not use the title. (In the U.S., for example, lawyers are "Doctors of Jurisprudence," but instead of calling themselves "Doctor," they have appropriated the title "Esquire," which is really rather odd).
"Master," as suggested upthread, can also cover ship owners and those who have mastered a craft, but it is perhaps not used in the London that has fallen, because of those other Masters, who might frown on the usurpation of their titles. "Mistress," on the other hand, was once the common form of address for all women, married or otherwise, but that usage has fallen out of favor. I'm kind of surprised it has not made a comeback, since "Miss" and "Mrs" have largely become obsolete, but I'm sure there are good reasons for it.
As we are in London, it might be appropriate to have forms of address which were commonly used for non-English of certain nationalities, such as "Monsoor," "Mynheer," and "Don," but that might be pushing things. ("Don" would also work for more, ah, unsavory elements, although I don't think it was usual to refer to criminal overlords as "Don" in London)
"Squire" would be a good addition, it was not uncommon for the proles to address their social superiors as such, even if the individual so-addressed did not in fact own any land. "Goodman" or "Good Fellow" was often used by the upper classes to address the proles, with "Goodwife" (abbreviated "Goody") for females, but of course these addresses are both gender-specific and obsolete (unless they persisted/persist in regional dialect, but we're in Middlesex).
I personally prefer "Being" to "Person" (and use that form of address myself when gender is indeterminate), because I think "Person" does carry an overtone of humanity to it. The problem, though, with "Gentle Being" or "Gentle Person" is that it conveys a stature of gentility, and some of our characters not only lack that stature, but despise it. One who is proud of, or notorious for, his abominable status would not likely want any title which smacked of civility.
-- Mal
Actually, the law degree that most American lawyers (including myself) have is "J.D." or "Juris Doctor", and is really a specialized bachelor's degree. The "LLD" is a true doctorate of jurisprudence, but few American attorneys seek it because it is unnecessary for the practice of law here. So instead "Esquire" became the suffix indicating that the holder is an attorney at law. In some American states, lawyers are addressed, semi-formally, as "Attorney [name]", but that is not the case in the states in which I practice.
-- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355
Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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