Kylestien
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3/10/2016
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Okay so first of all, keep in mind that I'm not a expert on this game by any means. I may grossly under or over estimate values of items, it may not be as big as issue as i think it is ETC.
But a point was raised regarding the new Favor system that I though interesting. Basically, it is that (With the exception of low level carnival) the only ways to get Favors in game are either by cards or by fate. In short, you can either rely on luck of the draw, or pay real money for them.
Right now, this is not a issue, but I note the potential issue further down the road. Namely, when EVERY Connection is done this way. It means that every connection from now on would require either luck or payment.
Now here is what I propose to resolve this potential bad situation, albeit it a vague one.
You are all familiar with the term "You scrach my back I scrach yours?" Well my idea is simply that. In short, there is a permanent option in places to do favors for factions. Maybe a big time criminal wants you to cover for his crimes. Maybe the Docks need a extra hand to deliver some secrue cargo for The Masters. Either way, it's going to cost you. (Not sure what though. Items seem too expensive and menaces seem to petty) You do this for them, then they owe ya one AKA you get a favor with that faction.
(Note: What I was thinkinng was this would have some other consequenece then manaces (Too easy to reduce), Items (can be hard to replace) or renown or Favors (sort of defeats the point a bit.) Maybe you could only do so much before Time The Healer, or maybe make it cost lots of actions? I don't know.)
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dov
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3/10/2016
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Kylestien wrote:
the only ways to get Favors in game are either by cards or by fate.
What do you mean by using Fate to gain Favours? Do you refer to forcing the relevant connection card using Favourable Circumstances? Because if so:
1. This doesn't necessarily cost Fate, as you can get Favourable Circumstances with Notability
2. This won't necessarily work for all factions. With the recent change, the Docks faction card only provides a new 'Favours: The Docks' if you already have exactly 3-4 such Favours. Drop below 3 and the card is useless. Gain more than 4 and you have to spend one first.
If you had another Fate based method in mind, please remind me.
Kylestien wrote:
Right now, this is not a issue, but I note the potential issue further down the road. Namely, when EVERY Connection is done this way. It means that every connection from now on would require either luck or payment.
Now here is what I propose to resolve this potential bad situation, albeit it a vague one.
You have not yet stated why you feel this is a "bad situation". Especially after claiming it's not so bad that only a few factions behave this way.
The new Favours system is meant to be limited (you can't hoard Favours - 7 is the number), transient (Favours come and go), and, yes, luck based (or at least, situation-based). Your character is not meant to plan out on how to collect Favours from everyone. Instead, you gain Favours by playing the right opportunities that life in the Neath throws your way.
Kylestien wrote:
You are all familiar with the term "You scrach my back I scrach yours?" Well my idea is simply that. In short, there is a permanent option in places to do favors for factions.
Here's a thought that I had (no idea if this fits at all with FBG's direction here, but it seems fun):
How about make Favours convertible from one faction to another in a ring, like is done with 3rd tier items?
For example:
Maybe you have 1 x Favours: Criminals. This means that you've helped some criminal elements and they owe you one.
Now, you actually want to have a Favour with, let's say, the Docks. So you play an action (either a storylet or from the Favour item), in which you go to your criminal buddies, and tell them: "Hey! remember that Favour you owe me? I'd appreciate it if you help my Docker buddy over here with his landlord." (Criminal burns the landlord's house down; Docker is grateful; you lose 1 x Favours: Criminals; you gain 1 x Favours: The Docks).
And so on (Dockers demand docking and handling fees from an agent of the Widow; Call in that Favours: The Docks; gain 1 x Favours: The Widow), etc. etc.
The possibility are endless. Doesn't even have to be a ring - lots of potential inter-connections on that web.
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Kylestien
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3/10/2016
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What do you mean by using Fate to gain Favours? Do you refer to forcing the relevant connection card using Favourable Circumstances? Because if so:
1. This doesn't necessarily cost Fate, as you can get Favourable Circumstances with Notability
2. This won't necessarily work for all factions. With the recent change, the Docks faction card only provides a new 'Favours: The Docks' if you already have exactly 3-4 such Favours. Drop below 3 and the card is useless. Gain more than 4 and you have to spend one first.
I mean you can get Favors from their respective items for 5 Fate.
You have not yet stated why you feel this is a "bad situation". Especially after claiming it's not so bad that only a few factions behave this way.
The new Favours system is meant to be limited (you can't hoard Favours - 7 is the number), transient (Favours come and go), and, yes, luck based (or at least, situation-based). Your character is not meant to plan out on how to collect Favours from everyone. Instead, you gain Favours by playing the right opportunities that life in the Neath throws your way. I can understand that, which is why I like you r idea below:
Here's a thought that I had (no idea if this fits at all with FBG's direction here, but it seems fun):
How about make Favours convertible from one faction to another in a ring, like is done with 3rd tier items?
For example:
Maybe you have 1 x Favours: Criminals. This means that you've helped some criminal elements and they owe you one.
Now, you actually want to have a Favour with, let's say, the Docks. So you play an action (either a storylet or from the Favour item), in which you go to your criminal buddies, and tell them: "Hey! remember that Favour you owe me? I'd appreciate it if you help my Docker buddy over here with his landlord." (Criminal burns the landlord's house down; Docker is grateful; you lose 1 x Favours: Criminals; you gain 1 x Favours: The Docks).
And so on (Dockers demand docking and handling fees from an agent of the Widow; Call in that Favours: The Docks; gain 1 x Favours: The Widow), etc. etc.
The possibility are endless. Doesn't even have to be a ring - lots of potential inter-connections on that web.
You see, I actualy like this plan more then my plan. It keeps the whole card thing but opens up options for conversion. So you still have luck based, but you have more options since you can get a Bohemian favor and trade it in for a Criminal fa vor or something. More favor sources, more option for other favors.
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Estelle Knoht
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3/10/2016
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As a matter of fact, you can get Favor for Docks reliably by Providing Sage Advice at Wolfstack Docks. It is somewhat expensive at a cost of 5 Echoes and can only be traded out for 3 Echoes directly, though.
So, for now, one out of two factions have a grindable favour storylet.
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xKiv
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3/10/2016
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metasynthie wrote:
...(I'm surprised, I figured these would be 2:1 gain ratio and not 3:1, but maybe they're still balancing -- if they stick with this pattern it'll be 4 Favours in 2 actions, which seems a little too good, even for cards.)
2 actions to get +4 favours, then 4 actions to cash those favours at presumed 300 pences per favour: 1200p/6a=200 ppa - not bad, but not out of line
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SouthSea Rutherby
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3/11/2016
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That is disappointing. I am now left wondering how I will be able to obtain more Favours: the Docks now that my options seem so limited...
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