Hannah Flynn
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3/9/2016
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You'll recall the update we made to Connected: Criminals in August last year.
Today, we're implementing the same change to Connected: The Docks. Conversions into Favours and Renown are following the same pattern.
We're in the content this afternoon making changes, so things might look a little weird, but should settle by the end of the day GMT!
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metasynthie
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3/9/2016
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Hmm, when Criminal Favours and Renown were introduced, we had a bit of warning so we could dump all of our Connected qualities if we didn't want them turned into Favours and Renown. This didn't happen with Docks -- which wasn't too dismaying since I didn't have a lot of Docks connected to bleed off, but I'd love some advance warning for other changes of this nature. Renown gains are a one-way street, after all, and if you miss some of those actions because you start off with very high Renown -- well, there are things that you can end up missing out on.
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Kylestien
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3/9/2016
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My main issue, and I'll gladly admit it's probaly not as big a issue as I make it out to be, is that (And keep in mind my experience with this is not the best frame of resource) Favors are much harder to get then CP. If we look at Docks right now it seems the only way to get one favor is by cards, which while useful is solely based around RNG. You know how many times I saw Lilac this Feast? ONCE. And apparently that's a much more common card then Favors Docks despite the odds. The point being that Favors as is right now relies soley and entirely on luck of the draw (Unless your renown is low enough for carnival)
Oh wait, there is one other option: Fate. And I'd gladly spend fate on this game. it's why I sub every month. But when your only option is luck or fate for favors... it kinda makes me scared for the day when EVERY connection is luck and fate.
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Kylestien
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Also, i just noticed something. The former Expedition Supplies now requires 5 Renown and 1 Favors Docks and 50 Rostygold. i tried checking what you get for it. 4 Supplies. So it seems it's been made harder to use and is probably no longer the best option for supplies. But I'm not a numbers uy so someone else would ned to confirm. Either way to me, as someone who always has issues with favors in general, it seems like the worst option now.
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Anne Auclair
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3/10/2016
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Parelle wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Hey, what happened to the option to meet Zailors and Criminals at Miss Plenty's Carnival?
If you've renown with either group over 5 it's now invisible.
Ah.
It would be nice if they eventually substituted a new option to just hang out and do carnival stuff together that doesn't give favors or renown, with benefits or flavor text depending on your current level of renown. Under the new system this meeting place will eventually lose importance as your renown raises and all the options to meet people disappear. I think they should keep the carnival interesting. It is the most Exciting Carnival after all.
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Koenig
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3/15/2016
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The only thing I don't like is how renown is essentially only increased from using connected items. It is a massive bottle neck and feels far less organic than the previous methods of raising a connected level.
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Parelle
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3/9/2016
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Oh bother. I was at 7 Favours and used the Docks card, and only gained a little Making Waves. An lock like on the Criminal Card would be handy if there is a Favour to be gained here.
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Sara Hysaro
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3/9/2016
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Parelle wrote:
Does anyone yet have the Quirk increased by the new Favor to Renown 15+ action? Daring maybe?
It increases Subtle and decreases Forceful.
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Erika
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I am not eager for a future where all connection gains are card based. That's.. too many cards to try and remember. Not to mention bloating my deck that I've painfully streamlined.
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dov
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3/9/2016
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Interesting. Looking forward to see how this shapes up.
I'd thought that the next connection to get this treatment would be the Constables, since they don't interact much with other factions, and it would have allowed to balance the Criminals/Constables conflict card in terms of Favours (instead of Favours on one side and Connections on the other).
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dov
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Robin Mask wrote:
Strangely, I have the 'favours', but still have 'connected' . . . I'm kind of hoping - once all connections have been converted - we have two sections: renown and favours. It would be nice to see them separate, as opposed to mixed together on one section 
The old "Connected" quality will remain for a little while, just to ensure the new system works properly, and then finally removed.
I agree that once all factions are converted this way it will look better to have a section for Renown and a section for Favours.
(Actually, Favours can become an inventory item (ideally in its own category), and not a character quality, since it behaves like an item in every relevant way. This will also allow it to be clickable and add actions on it, as I've suggested here)
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malthaussen
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3/9/2016
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I currently have both Connected: Docks and Favours: Docks counters, making me wonder what the former are now used for (or maybe they just haven't been deleted, yet).
Also a small typo in the tankard, which tells me I am now Renown: Docks rather than I have Renown: Docks. As the title of the quality (Renown: Docks) can not be changed, the verb must be.
Also: "Renown: Docks" appears under "Story," whereas "Renown: Criminals" appears under "Connections." I suggest this inconsistency is undesireable.
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Gonen
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3/15/2016
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I am glad to see one does not need Docks' favours to up-convert items.
Ever since the favours' mechanism was introduced into criminals my silk trade has been plummeting.
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thedeadlymoose
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3/11/2016
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Anne Auclair wrote:
It would be nice if they eventually substituted a new option to just hang out and do carnival stuff together that doesn't give favors or renown, with benefits or flavor text depending on your current level of renown. Under the new system this meeting place will eventually lose importance as your renown raises and all the options to meet people disappear. I think they should keep the carnival interesting. It is the most Exciting Carnival after all.
This is a cool suggestion. It is a bit of a shame that there might end up being no reason to visit the Carnival ever again. No Unfinished Business, after all...
Although, that makes me think. What if the Carnival did have an Unfinished Business equivalent for Favours, given that the transition to cards makes previously existing grinds kind of weird?
Like, all 5-action options, all grant one Favour and an assortment of other things based on Renown levels, maybe a menace as well (what is a most exciting carnival, after all, if it doesn't throw menaces at you?)
This might be a way to allow people to reliably acquire Favours without universally waiting for card draws, but not unbalance the whole thing.
(In fact I wouldn't be surprised if maybe something like this was already under consideration.)
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Grenem
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3/11/2016
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Ben wrote:
So, this makes expeditions, harder?
It makes expeditions quicker to prepare for, if you're going to do stuff between expeditions, but slower if you're not. It makes expeditions' most effective route useable at any point in the game, but harder to grind expeditions alone.
If you're planning on running expeditions non-stop, it makes expedition preparations more expensive- though arguably faster, as the tankard is really low supplies per action. still, you've definitely lost options, as your best option is now whispered secrets
On the other hand, if you're like most people, and running expeditions as one-off things between other grinds, it actually makes them a lot more effective. paying in favors means that you can get a pretty good price, and is honestly the most repeatable use of favors, as the widow, the only option i'm aware of that pays more, zeroes the connection, making the best option for gathering favors unavailible until you get back to 3.
If you're doing expeditions now, the trick is to stay between 3 and 4 favors, to draw the conflict vs. urchins card, then favor the docks, and spend your 3 new favors to get back down to 3 or 4 as fast as possible. repeat as needed. The other cards are good sources of favors. the conflict cards are amazing ones.
Each favor is 4 supplies, which is roughly 5.2 echoes, so don't underestimate that.
(Also note the widow only requires 5 favors, not 7, so feel free to spend any surplus on supplies. you'll lose them all regardless, and i'm pretty sure the rewards don't scale, or don't scale fairly.)
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maleclypse
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3/10/2016
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
Hi all! Just so you know: because this is a big chunk of changes to a lot of content, we'll continue to monitor them and make appropriate tweaks.
Next on our list of Connected groups to move over to the Favour and Renown system is currently the tomb-colonists!
When you say next are you expecting that to be a multi month next or a next week kind of next?
Please and thank you.
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Grenem
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dov wrote:
Parelle wrote:
Time to cash out Collections of Curiosities too, I bet.
I hope not. Today trading CoC to the Tomb Colonists requires some Connected with them, but it doesn't cost any. I hope it remains so.
It'll probably require renown, which may be troublesome to get, but is viable. It makes sense, after all- tomb colonists need to know you can be trusted before they'll trade with you.
Also, hopefully they'll leave the more obscure ones as they are- i'm fine with connected- the widow, and with connected the masters, and i know there are people frantically gathering those.
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3/11/2016
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They unlock new options at twenty. (Criminals unlocks a new card with 4.4 epa and Docks allows you to sponsor a sea voyage)
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maleclypse
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3/14/2016
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Also brutal. Why is it that all of these changes continuously seem to make all things even less profitable. It's a total RNG grind to 7 favors and it's only worth 17.5 echoes? It's actually worth less than 2.1875 echoes assuming you manage to get those favors with no cost which several ways to get the favors cost items which would lower the epa to the point where it's possibly more efficient to ignore the cards entirely.
I get that math needs to be rebalanced. But it's coming down pretty harsh. Corran wrote:
Favouring the widow now gives 500 x Jade Fragment, 1 x Favour in High Places.
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A B Nile
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3/9/2016
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lady ciel wrote:
Criminal Favours go to 7. As far as I know Criminal Renown is uncapped as long as you have the resources and can pass the stat challenge.
Certainly appears to be the case. I got it as far as 43 - I am now in the position of needing a Mood to increase it.
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PJ
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Until now I thought the only purpose of Renown: Criminals was to limit the number of favors you could get from the carnival by locking that option when Renown reached 5. So it's very surprising to see that my Engraved Pewter Tankard now offers me the option to spend favors to increase Renown. That seems like paying a cost to get something detrimental. Have I stumbled into the Mr. Eaten story line?
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Gonen
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3/9/2016
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PJ wrote:
Until now I thought the only purpose of Renown: Criminals was to limit the number of favors you could get from the carnival by locking that option when Renown reached 5. So it's very surprising to see that my Engraved Pewter Tankard now offers me the option to spend favors to increase Renown. That seems like paying a cost to get something detrimental. Have I stumbled into the Mr. Eaten story line?
This mechanics was introduced to Criminals with the Old Bone Key. No change here.
Some don't bother with Renown, since it has no obvious benefits besides boasting.
Some Love the idea of being maximally renowned (to the limit of stats, see the early posts).
Some use it to gain the quirk Steadfast above 10 (perhaps this will also be available to another quirk at the Docks case)
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I don't quite understand why this is case in the first place but could we please have some quality text when we are at max Favours. So if we try to gain a favour when we are at 7 already, we should get a text along the lines of "This quality cannot increase past 7". This is already a standard approach everywhere else in the game so not sure what went into this alternative approach... But in any case, just wanted to say that I find it quite unhelpful.
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Corran
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Nigel Overstreet wrote:
Connected: Docks 302 turned into Renown: Docks 46.
Estelle Knoht wrote:
By the way, 316 Docks convert to 49 Renown and 7 Favours.
363 Docks turned into Renown: The Docks 50 - They say your veins run thick with gold and salt.
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A B Nile
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Corran wrote:
Nigel Overstreet wrote:
Connected: Docks 302 turned into Renown: Docks 46.
Estelle Knoht wrote:
By the way, 316 Docks convert to 49 Renown and 7 Favours.
363 Docks turned into Renown: The Docks 50 - They say your veins run thick with gold and salt.
Gah. What a great descriptor!
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Parelle
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3/9/2016
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Alistair Cray wrote:
I'm curious, is there any use for the Renown: Criminals quality yet?
Yes: once you are at 15, you can gain Steadfast up to Level 15 expensively (at the cost of Heartless). It also unlocks another favor granting/cash in card at Level 20 (a Merry Sort of Crime)
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Kylestien
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3/9/2016
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...am I the only one who has never found a option to increase Criminal Renown? I'm aware theres one in The carnival but I'm assumingg that only goes so high.
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Gonen
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Kylestien wrote:
...am I the only one who has never found a option to increase Criminal Renown? I'm aware theres one in The carnival but I'm assumingg that only goes so high.
Try the Old Bone Skeleton Key (purchase it at the Bazaar). One time purchase, repeatable.
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It's on the Old Bone Skeleton Key.
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Gonen
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Kylestien wrote:
Ah yes, now I notice it. A pity it says it can only go up to 7. I have NO idea how Parelle managed to get to 20.
Also we need such options for the Docks now. And I'd just ike to say as someone who had no idea this was a thing for the part year, a note it was a thing in game would be nice. /:
A new option will unveil when reaching 8.
Also, as we speak, changes are made to the Pewter Tankard (item of Docks)
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Kylestien wrote:
Ah yes, now I notice it. A pity it says it can only go up to 7. I have NO idea how Parelle managed to get to 20.:
Ah, favors vs. Renown. The key requires Favors: 5-7 (I think) but will increase your Renown every time it's used. As mine was 1 when this switch happened, Renown is not too hard to increase if you have the cards for it - I'm up to 30 now (and I like my steadfast).
Looks like the conversion is continuing: I now have Docks Favors 7, Connected 32, Renown 1 (not listed under Contacts but listed as a requirement for the Expedition action). The tankard action for increasing between 10-20 is invisible and the fate action is currently locked at at Favours 6.
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3/9/2016
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Criminal Favours go to 7. As far as I know Criminal Renown is uncapped as long as you have the resources and can pass the stat challenge.
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3/9/2016
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I kinda wish I'd known this earlier - would have liked to trade in the connection first rather than having it convert to Favours while I was offline.
Edit: Turns out I already had within the past day or two, so I did alright there. But I can't help but feel I need to keep ALL of my connections low in order to not feel that they're at risk of being wasted when a change comes through.
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Cecil wrote:
I am not eager for a future where all connection gains are card based. That's.. too many cards to try and remember. Not to mention bloating my deck that I've painfully streamlined.
Indeed. But it looks like it's heading that way.
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Kaigen wrote:
The Favour cash-in at the Docks is now the most action efficient way to get glim, unless I am mistaken. It beats educating Lyme or stealing Mr. Leadbeater's Fortune, at least.
Well, question. If it's 1 action to get a Favor, then it's epa 1.5, right? Which is quite good, admittedly. But the only repeatable Favour source I've seen thus far is the very low Renown +1 favour for 2 Actions + 2 tickets, which will eventually cap itself out as you also gain CP Renown.
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Gonen wrote:
I am guessing there will be a Connection Pet to raise the Dock's favors, like there is for Criminals. So that's two cards/sources.
Which means I'll have to trade out my Criminal pet for. I'm a little antsy about this too, particularly since I was expecting a bit more rekown for my Docks: 32 (none of my connections are particularly high as I started in Fall 2014). As I'd expect, you can't use the Carnival option for grinding expedition supplies either as that caps out at Renown 4 and you need Renown 5 for the Expedition.
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Kylestien wrote:
My main issue, and I'll gladly admit it's probaly not as big a issue as I make it out to be, is that (And keep in mind my experience with this is not the best frame of resource) Favors are much harder to get then CP. If we look at Docks right now it seems the only way to get one favor is by cards, which while useful is solely based around RNG. You know how many times I saw Lilac this Feast? ONCE. And apparently that's a much more common card then Favors Docks despite the odds. The point being that Favors as is right now relies soley and entirely on luck of the draw (Unless your renown is low enough for carnival)
Oh wait, there is one other option: Fate. And I'd gladly spend fate on this game. it's why I sub every month. But when your only option is luck or fate for favors... it kinda makes me scared for the day when EVERY connection is luck and fate.
I see your point, and edited my response earlier.
Right now I have those cards on my deck to gain my Criminals favors:
Favors Criminal card
Connection Pet
Side with the Cheery Man (alas, I have not this)
Alluring Accomplice
A merry sort of crime
A visit (to the Repentant Forger)
That's 5 or 6 cards. Probably forgot one.
I do believe they will add options to Docks as well. And in my personal taste - I have only started to seek and raise Criminals AFTER the change, since there is a profitable action behind this (well, several, but I mean the An Implausible Penance at 7 Favors).
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Parelle
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3/9/2016
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Gonen wrote:
Favors Criminal card
Connection Pet (no cost and no suspicion gain)
Side with the Cheery Man (alas, I have not this)
Alluring Accomplice
A merry sort of crime [Renown min 20, also includes a cash-out at 1 Favour]
A visit to the Repentant Forger (no cost and no suspicion gain)
The other three I know of are
Gang of Hoodlums (no cost)
Burglary with the Master Jewel Thief (only appears if married for no cost and no suspicion gain)
The Ruthless Henchman
It's worth saying that I have all but two of these (and I just got divorced) so I was gaining Favors much, much quicker than my ability to use them (particularly as I have Connected: Hell 0 and Rubbery Man: 1)
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edited by Parelle on 3/9/2016
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Kylestien
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3/9/2016
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You know, maybe I'm crazy or severely undervaluing Favors and Renown (Either is possible) but I'd like a permanant way to do a good (bad?) turn for the faction in question. Like "You scrach my back I scrach yours" type of mentality. Like maybe (And these are just ideas, you guys can probably think up better ones that are more/less costly) take some blame for a big crime for someone else which costs you something (Probably suspiscion) and then they pop round and go I owe ya one mate. You know somethin to earn that favor.
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Nigel Overstreet
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3/9/2016
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lady ciel wrote:
Criminal Favours go to 7. As far as I know Criminal Renown is uncapped as long as you have the resources and can pass the stat challenge. The highest level is 50, possesed by this gentleman. Increase your Renown requires a stat minimum, not just a test, so as far as I know, it is impossible to get your stats high enough to surpass 50.
Renown: Criminals also unlocks certain cards, such as "A merry sort of crime." I presume Renown: Docks will do the same.
Connected: Docks 302 turned into Renown: Docks 46.
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Estelle Knoht
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3/10/2016
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suinicide wrote:
So Renown: Docks is out? I can't seem to find it for my character, and I can't use the carnival option (I have six favours) so I know I have some. Is there something I'm missing?
Due to unknown reasons, Renown: Docks are located in the Story category for the time being.
By the way, 316 Docks convert to 49 Renown and 7 Favours.
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Chris Gardiner
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Posts: 539
3/10/2016
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Hi all! Just so you know: because this is a big chunk of changes to a lot of content, we'll continue to monitor them and make appropriate tweaks.
Next on our list of Connected groups to move over to the Favour and Renown system is currently the tomb-colonists!
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fitz
Posts: 91
3/10/2016
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Well f**k.
If I'd known, I would have cashed in my Connected. Six months worth of grinding wasted.
I wish they'd kept a way to use up your Connected. I was expecting a warning on the notification bar at the top prior to the next change.
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Parelle
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3/9/2016
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Gilphon wrote:
Parelle wrote:
As I'd expect, you can't use the Carnival option for grinding expedition supplies either as that caps out at Renown 4 and you need Renown 5 for the Expedition.
I'm happy to let you known that you're mistaken here- the Carnival option requires 'at most 4', so you can totally use it to get Renown 5.
Yes, but I don't think it'll work to generate further Favours to use for expeditions, if that makes sense.
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Kaigen
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3/14/2016
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You only need 5 Favours: The Docks to trigger The Acacia and the Butterfly, so if you cash in then it's ~2.92 epa, which puts it in the upper tier of opportunity card profitability. And there are (unconfirmed) reports on the wiki that suggest that you get more than 500 Jade Fragments if you're cashing in more than 5 Favours. It's a strong alternative to cashing in your Docks Favours for expedition supplies, depending on the balance of Widow and Urchins connections you have (trying to do both is probably unproductive, given that the Widow and Urchins also conflict).
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Grenem
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3/15/2016
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Kaijyuu wrote:
I still wish they would've just renamed connected to favors and added renown as a new thing.
That would have missed both objectives. Making you gain 1 point renown with every favor earned or potentially earned would have been easier from a gameplay standpoint, but it certainly looks like favors are making connection cards far more lucrative.
docks vs. urchins, for instance, now offers enough favors to buy 12 expeditions supplies for 1.5 echoes and 3 actions, making it the fastest in actions per supply of any method of funding expeditions, which will in turn increase the number of explorers of expeditions- as it's suddenly got a high epa card-based action.
I do wish there were lower variance, and upcrafting requiring renown and being unprofitable to make up for connection loss would be a nice alteration, but i'm content with things as they are.
Still, if most connection cards will work like the docks do now, everything else is a small price to pay.
... though i suspect the devils asking for souls will be based on renown hell, not favors hell, and as such will be a lot harder to avoid.
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Grenem
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3/10/2016
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th8827 wrote:
One more question. Is there an Implausible Penance type card for Docks now?
I have not seen one, so it seems likely that you can only cash in by stockpiling for expeditions, favoring the widow over the docks on their conflict card, or by calling in favors at the docks. in order of payout magnitude per favor, or my best approximation:
- favoring widow with 5 favors from the docks: it looks like this gives 24 echoes in jade and 12.5 favors in high places. over 7 echoes per favor.
- Buying expedition supplies from the docks until you're at 5 favors, then favoring the widow.
- Cashing in favors for glim until you're at 5 favors, then favoring the widow.
- cashing in 6 or 7 favors with the widow. even at 7, it's roughly pricing a favor at 5 echoes, which isn't bad. it's still a waste, though, since you lose all your favors regardless of if you're at 5 or 7.
- Buying expedition supplies- 4 supplies for 50 rostygold and the favor has a replacement cost of ~2 more actions and 5.2 echoes. On the other hand, most people don't do lots of expeditions, and for many with lower watchful, this is less valuable. expeditions are not very profitable early on, and you need to spend the supplies to benefit. on the other hand, you can stay in the perfect range for docks vs. urchins conflict cards here, so it's not a bad idea.
- Cashing in favors for glim. 3 echoes, less whatever your usual epa is, is the expected value for this one.
- favoring urchins on docks vs. urchins (Readers from the future, take this with salt, we haven't finished converting to favors yet). 1 favor for 30 cp urchins and 50 pence in hankercheifs. yay. This will get better when urchins swap to the same system, though.
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thedeadlymoose
Posts: 214
3/10/2016
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fitz wrote:
Well f**k.
If I'd known, I would have cashed in my Connected. Six months worth of grinding wasted.
I wish they'd kept a way to use up your Connected. I was expecting a warning on the notification bar at the top prior to the next change.
edited by fitz on 3/10/2016
Right? I was really disappointed to discover this, though it wasn't six months of grinding for me.
That said, I still like the new system from what I've experienced of it, so far, and I understand that things can get overwhelming and announcements too easily forgotten.
And we know that Tomb-Colonies are next, thank you Chris!
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dov
Posts: 2580
3/10/2016
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Parelle wrote:
Time to cash out Collections of Curiosities too, I bet.
I hope not. Today trading CoC to the Tomb Colonists requires some Connected with them, but it doesn't cost any. I hope it remains so.
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Koenig
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3/11/2016
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I never quite understood, what are the benefits of raising your renown?
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