dov
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2/28/2016
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nightday wrote:
I'm confused about the Flash Lay part. I got my progress up to 75, but I didn't see an option to actually FINISH it anywhere. I thought that I would get some opportunity card with an option to exit, but then my suspicion went too high and I got booted out, so now I have to do it all over again. What am I missing?
See this recent clarification from Chris:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21842-a-flash-lay-some-revisions.aspx#post132928
Basically, when your Progress reaches 75 you can complete the Flash Lay by playing the right card.
But if you're unlucky and don't have that card, then the Flash Lay will automatically end when your Progress reaches 100.
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Shadowcthuhlu
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2/28/2016
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I liked this story. It wasn't as intense as the previous ones and allowed us to investigate a more mundane but frequently overlooked part of Fallen London. Just because there are cosmic mysteries everywhere, doesn't mean that normal human ambitions and dreams are stopped.
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Miranda Zero
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2/28/2016
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Zeroebbasta wrote:
aertew wrote:
I choose to give the truth for the children, but has anyone chosen the harsh lie option? I did! Here is the echo. In exchange, does anyone have the letter's content?
Here is the letter's content.
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Lomias
Posts: 84
2/28/2016
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Pros:
+A dip into servants’ life (including your maids), enriching the flavor
+Mysterious story, pretty well-written, with some interesting characters
+Sense of humor (especially when playing with the children)
Cons:
-The investigation part is too long, maybe a bit distracting, the narrative pace could be better
-The theme of the story doesn’t stand out, I don't really know what it wants to tell. Loyalty versus professional advancement? Importance of proper parenting? Family bonding between kids and governess?
-The final reward is not promising, considering the action cost, but that’s just a minor thing
Overall: 8.5/10. Definitely worth the money. I highly recommend the story to anyone who wants to get some tastes about the lives of servants and wish to know a secret employment agency.
edited by Lomias on 2/28/2016
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Diptych
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2/28/2016
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Lomias wrote:
-The theme of the story doesn’t stand out, I don't really know what it wants to tell. Loyalty versus professional advancement? Importance of proper parenting? Family bonding between kids and governess?
[spoiler]My take: it's not a heavily thematic work; it's a glimpse into the lives of working-class Fallen Londoners, and those who would improve their lot, through the lens of the disappearance of one ambitious governess. It's a documentary piece.[/spoiler]
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Emain Ablach
Posts: 348
2/28/2016
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As I see it, this story is about desires, relationships and the lives of servants in Fallen London. And love, of course. It's always about love. Any kind of love.
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Ewan C.
Posts: 675
2/28/2016
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I loved this story.
But. PLEASE PLEASE, when a choice says "this will increase Steadfast" and I pick it on that basis, LET ME KNOW AHEAD OF TIME that it won't actually - because I'm already at 12 - and will in fact reduce my carefully-hoarded Ruthless. That really made me bitter.
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Gonen
Posts: 817
2/28/2016
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Ewan C. wrote:
I loved this story.
But. PLEASE PLEASE, when a choice says "this will increase Steadfast" and I pick it on that basis, LET ME KNOW AHEAD OF TIME that it won't actually - because I'm already at 12 - and will in fact reduce my carefully-hoarded Ruthless. That really made me bitter.
Does any choice increase quirks above 10?
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2/29/2016
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I echo all of the praise that has been given. Stands out as one of my very favourites, both in terms of content and mechanics (lovely length too).
I just have a tiny bit of personal input: I'm essentially on an, uh, extended sabbatical at the moment, in that I really only log in once a month to play the Exceptional Story. For this reason, having the conclusion/epilogue in an opportunity card is inconvenient, as I can't just wrap up the story but will have to log in to flip cards until I get it. Of course I don't think you should have to design your game around the people who barely play it haha; I'm just used to the Exceptionals being very self-contained and amenable to my way of playing. Just thought I'd give it a mention. Again, an excellent experience!
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Lomias
Posts: 84
2/29/2016
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
[spoiler]My take: it's not a heavily thematic work; it's a glimpse into the lives of working-class Fallen Londoners, and those who would improve their lot, through the lens of the disappearance of one ambitious governess. It's a documentary piece.[/spoiler]
Ya, but people wouldn't usually expect their detective work turn out to be documentary (and the juiciest part of the story), which is to taste servants' lives across many different parts of London, do they? That's what I meant by "maybe a bit distracting".
edited by Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook on 2/29/2016
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Alexander Feld
Posts: 348
2/29/2016
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By the way I find my comments tends to receive thumbs down when I judge Exceptional Stories (even though I recommend them). I guess people just love FBG so much that they lose their sense to judge neutrally. I don't know if they have played other beautifully written games, just like braid, to the moon, life is strange, and the like. Not to mention novels and animes. If they have, they should know FBG is just one of market players, it's not even the best among them (but it's improving). I doubt my harsh words will break these people's hearts, but if they do, I would be glad.
edited by Lomias on 2/29/2016
I think it may be entirely possible that other people just have different opinions from you. It is something people tend to do.
Different people appreciate different things in a story, and in such an elaborately built world, there is so very much to tell. Not all of this will be to everyone's taste; but there will be people to enjoy each facet of the world. You can see as much in this very thread, not to mention the crowds of people willing to throw themselves down wells for no good reason.
edited by Alexander Feld on 2/29/2016
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Kittenpox
Posts: 869
2/29/2016
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Nanako wrote:
But my biggest criticism of all i think, was the overall mundaneity of the story. Nothing i did, or discovered, had any real consquence, for myself or london. I went looking for a missing nanny, and I found her. With barely a hint of dark magic or deeper mysteries along the way. I kind of expected higher stakes
Robin Mask wrote:
This one I feel is both right and wrong . . .
On the one hand, it is a 'mundane' story insofar as it's not about magic or greater lore, but - on the other hand - not every story needs to be about those things . . . I'd argue it can't be, either, as then the appeal and unique nature of those tidbits wanes off, plus people get tired of every story being the same. Eventually, you get sick of it . . . like, I adore the masters, but were they in every story -? I'd probably stop playing.
Dubinee Finnat wrote:
For myself, that is exactly what I liked the most about it. It's not all monsters, heads of state, international conspiracies, ancient mysteries, and far away places, sometimes it's just the ordinary people all around you who turn out to be anything but ordinary at all. The world of those who sweep the streets and polish the silverware, labour in factories and tutor the children of the upper classes. It made me feel that while I've been out exploring the zees, descending into caves, stealing from palaces, and so on, there has been a whole other world of adventure going on all around me from which I've been excluded until now. I dunno about you, but I didn't even know that I *had* servants, let alone all the mysteries and plots that they get up to. I love Emily Short for thinking of that.
I'm inclined to agree with Robin and Dubinee on this one. Not every story needs to be centred around [spoiler]giant space crabs, emergency procedures in case of piggy alarm-clocks, going for a camping trip by Snake River, getting the munchies really badly, sapient guinea pigs, non-euclidean apiary construction, varying types of inter-species dating tips, 'who wore it better?' face-fashion, a certain coloured "science", the life of a neathly postal worker, or even uncovering the identity of the bat-man.[/spoiler] (Yes, I'm being vague with some of these - perhaps inordinately so. Point is, there's room for both the mundane and the fantastical, and a mix of both is healthy to have.)
Sometimes the mundane is actually a *very* welcome change from all the strangeness, and a good way of reminding me as a player that yes, London proper is still doing its own thing. The little people are still going about their day-to-day stuff, and even though my character is basically on the way towards apotheosis by comparison, this is a city rather than just a series of separate static locations on a map.
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You have to care about London to want to 'live' in London.
^ and sometimes a reminder of what London *is*, is what's required in order to care about it. :-)
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Overall I really enjoyed this story (especially after the previous one; which was good, but was over before it began.) I feel that many of the praises I have for this story have already been covered by others, though, so I'll end this comment here.
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Kittenpox
Posts: 869
2/29/2016
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Lomias wrote:
By the way I find my comments tends to receive thumbs down when I judge Exceptional Stories (even though I recommend them). I guess people just love FBG so much that they lose their sense to judge neutrally.
Lomias, I don't feel this thread is the best place to respond to your comment (and attached rage-comic), nor do I have an interest in doing so.
But if you feel that being down-voted is something you take personal issue with, perhaps the browser mod linked on http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21824-user-style-disable-forum-rating-system.aspx may be of use to you.
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Emain Ablach
Posts: 348
2/29/2016
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Alexander Feld wrote:
I think it may be entirely possible that other people just have different opinions from you. It is something people tend to do.
(...) not to mention the crowds of people willing to throw themselves down wells for no good reason.
I laughed hard, thank you for this Alexander ! It was very well phrased, both funny and delicate.
Lomias, as someone who downvoted you, I can say I did it because I disagreed with your cons. But I find it nice and interesting that you listed what are, to you, the pros and cons of this story. It's not against you nor to fiercely protect FBG honor in a duel, it was just to show that I didn't share your views. I do the same with green thumbs. Just a way of saying "Hey, I think the same !" or "Hey, I disagree with you !".
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Catherine Raymond
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2/29/2016
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It's worth noting that, despite his "cons" Lomias rated "The Frequently Deceased" at 8.5 out of 10.
Personally, I liked the longish Flash Lay style Investigation. Lomias thought that aspect damaged the pace of the story, but I felt it made the experience of playing through the story more realistic. It was more like what the character might experience on a real investigation in Fallen London, in my opinion.
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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2/29/2016
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That was great. My echoes start here (with a brief interruption for the conclusion of the Surgeon's Child).
Did anyone echo telling them the truth?
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Posts: 1372
3/1/2016
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Ewan C. wrote:
I loved this story.
But. PLEASE PLEASE, when a choice says "this will increase Steadfast" and I pick it on that basis, LET ME KNOW AHEAD OF TIME that it won't actually - because I'm already at 12 - and will in fact reduce my carefully-hoarded Ruthless. That really made me bitter. Thank you for the warning; I'll take the money and run.
EDIT: . . . which ALSO drops Steadfast while increasing Ruthless (I'm not capped in that). Figures.
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absimiliard
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3/1/2016
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I just have to say that I'm getting a very Addams-esque feeling while playing with the children. I can just see little Wednesday and Pugsley at play, him ready to be guillotined.....
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Gonen
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3/1/2016
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an_ocelot wrote:
Ewan C. wrote:
I loved this story.
But. PLEASE PLEASE, when a choice says "this will increase Steadfast" and I pick it on that basis, LET ME KNOW AHEAD OF TIME that it won't actually - because I'm already at 12 - and will in fact reduce my carefully-hoarded Ruthless. That really made me bitter. Thank you for the warning; I'll take the money and run.
EDIT: . . . which ALSO drops Steadfast while increasing Ruthless (I'm not capped in that). Figures.
edited by an_ocelot on 3/1/2016
Is there any option which does not change quirks? Am I to evade every EF from now on?
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Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness.
The long journey to eccentricity:
On March 10th, 2018, reached 15 on all quirks, simultaneously. The Quirky Anesthesiologist
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Lomias
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3/1/2016
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Dear fellow Londoners, please accept my apology if my rudeness has aroused any unnecessary annoyance. I might be overreacting, sorry about that.
After all, there is too much hate and too little love in our world already. I shouldn't make it worse, probably.
edited by Lomias on 3/1/2016
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