Sir Joseph Marlen
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What exactly is the use of collecting piles of a Collection of Curiosities for grind purposes? I've heard that people hoard them to sell off on the Tomb Colonist related faction card, but all that does is give the player 5 Puzzling Maps. With each at 12.50 echoes, that means that you're using an action to receive a total of 62.50 echoes worth of maps when the time and cost of making one exceeds that and most opportunities to receive one could easily be substituted for a better, faster reward worth just as much. Is there something I'm missing? Is the wiki wrong and there's some other benefit to doing this? Or are the maps used elsewhere where the overall gain makes it worth the cost and the actions used?
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TheThirdPolice
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The wiki lists the puzzle map trade as a 62.50 "sale" price so people know how to get the most value out of it. According to the same page, selling the collection at the bazaar is a mere 6 echoes.
EDIT: This reply no longer makes sense after your edit, so uh I'll go with "I dunno," not having done the math.
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dov
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The Collection of Curiosities's sale price at the Bazaar is just 6 echoes. By trading with the Tomb Colonists you get 62.5 echoes's worth of Puzzling Maps. (there are very few usages currently for Puzzling Maps, other than to sell them)
As a grind, if you can 100% all challenges of the War of Assassins, it takes 34 actions to get a CoC, plus one action to trade it when the cards comes up, for a total of 62.5 / 35 = ~1.78 echoes per action.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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TheThirdPolice wrote:
The wiki lists the puzzle map trade as a 62.50 "sale" price so people know how to get the most value out of it. According to the same page, selling the collection at the bazaar is a mere 6 echoes.
Ah, thanks. I've edited my post to rectify that error. But still, it seems in most situations that it would be much easier to receive the same amount of echoes worth much faster and easier or the cost of time and resources to make one wouldn't be worth the cost.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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dov wrote:
The Collection of Curiosities's sale price at the Bazaar is just 6 echoes. By trading with the Tomb Colonists you get 62.5 echoes's worth of Puzzling Maps.
As a grind, if you can 100% all challenges of the War of Assassins, it takes 34 actions to get a CoC, plus one item to trade it when the cards comes up, for a total of 62.5 / 35 = ~1.78 echoes per action.
Ah, okay! That makes a lot more sense. Much appreciated, thanks for the answer!
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Màiread
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The reason it seems bizarre is because we don't hoard CoC by crafting them in the side streets; if you play the war of assassins carousel to build dramatic tension you can cash in your DT for a CoC in your lodgings. The EPA is better than the affair of the box, but obviously you're dependent on the card showing up.
Edit: whoops! Thanks Dov.
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Sometimes the forum feels like a chat room :-)
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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Indeed. I expected to wait an hour or two for an answer, and yet hear we are messaging back and forth and editing previous messages to better fit the current topic. How lovely! 
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Suhe Gul
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Even crafting CoC at side street is a net gain. Well, there are sth problematic about it but still net gain. If you have fosils, rats and coins for some reasons, advanced(hoarder) players will probably have the rest just sitting in their inventory. Then it is a valid use of two actions to get 12E.
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suhe gul wrote:
Even crafting CoC at side street is a net gain. Well, there are sth problematic about it but still net gain. If you have fosils, rats and coins for some reasons, advanced(hoarder) players will probably have the rest just sitting in their inventory. Then it is a valid use of two actions to get 12E.
Yeah. it's best not to grind or directly seek the components, but if you choose to keep bits and pieces found until you can craft one, it can work out. Just never buy stuff to craft one.
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Parelle
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Well... Having traded boxes for several months now, I've a hoard of the rats for collections - they don't have any other use, I believe. And, I'm Ambition: Hearts Desire, so coins are readily available. Fossils are probably the rarest of the components for me, and those are easily findable in expeditions. My problem is currently the Storm Theordies as I've only a few left fro buying pails.
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Parelle wrote:
Well... Having traded boxes for several months now, I've a hoard of the rats for collections - they don't have any other use, I believe. And, I'm Ambition: Hearts Desire, so coins are readily available. Fossils are probably the rarest of the components for me, and those are easily findable in expeditions. My problem is currently the Storm Theordies as I've only a few left fro buying pails.
Pails ended last week and the Wicket closes Monday GMT time.
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Parelle
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Oh I'm perfectly aware that I don't need them anymore. I just only have one or two left of my original stash.
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Olivia Coburn
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2/1/2016
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The cave of the nadir has two opportunity cards that each give +1 cp of dramatic tension (one of them is fate-locked, though), so the math works out as follows:
* 3 actions to get dramatic tension to level 2
* 1 action to cash in the dramatic tension for a CoC
* 1 action to trade the CoC for 5 puzzling maps
62.5E/5 actions = 12.5 echoes per action!
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Gonen
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Olivia Coburn wrote:
The cave of the nadir has two opportunity cards that each give +1 cp of dramatic tension (one of them is fate-locked, though), so the math works out as follows:
* 3 actions to get dramatic tension to level 2
* 1 action to cash in the dramatic tension for a CoC
* 1 action to trade the CoC for 5 puzzling maps
62.5E/5 actions = 12.5 echoes per action!
Yea, but that could be more than 3 weeks to get all those dramatic tensions from Nadir. Hardly the most grindable option, if needed the money.
Best to get your 1 dramatic tension from Nadir and continue to raise it through war of assassins.
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Olivia Coburn wrote:
The cave of the nadir has two opportunity cards that each give +1 cp of dramatic tension (one of them is fate-locked, though), so the math works out as follows:
* 3 actions to get dramatic tension to level 2
* 1 action to cash in the dramatic tension for a CoC
* 1 action to trade the CoC for 5 puzzling maps
62.5E/5 actions = 12.5 echoes per action!
Yes, but that's time-locked and penalizes your stats, so the viability is dubious- or, well, not dubious, but it's a bonus, not the main course. (plus, whenever possible, the end of battles is better- though that card isn't precicsely common, so it might not be worth thinking about.)
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dov
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Here's how I think of this:
Using the options in the Nadir to get one point of Dramatic Tension in a single action, means I save 11 actions to get that same point of DT via the War of Assassins.
Each action, for me, is worth ~1.64E (Affair of the Box grind), so 11 x ~1.64E = ~18.07E.
So, if I encounter an option in the Nadir to get 1 CP of DT, this action is worth to me 18.07 echoes.
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Gonen
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dov wrote:
Here's how I think of this:
Using the options in the Nadir to get one point of Dramatic Tension in a single action, means I save 11 actions to get that same point of DT via the War of Assassins.
Each action, for me, is worth ~1.64E (Affair of the Box grind), so 11 x ~1.64E = ~18.07E.
So, if I encounter an option in the Nadir to get 1 CP of DT, this action is worth to me 18.07 echoes.
But CoC worth is 62.5 / 35 actions = 1.78E
So that 1 CP of DT is worth to you 11 X 1.78E, not less.
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dov
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Yeah, you're right, of course. I was thinking of general action worth. 1.78E should apply here.
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Grenem
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Gonen wrote:
dov wrote:
Here's how I think of this:
Using the options in the Nadir to get one point of Dramatic Tension in a single action, means I save 11 actions to get that same point of DT via the War of Assassins.
Each action, for me, is worth ~1.64E (Affair of the Box grind), so 11 x ~1.64E = ~18.07E.
So, if I encounter an option in the Nadir to get 1 CP of DT, this action is worth to me 18.07 echoes.
But CoC worth is 62.5 / 35 actions = 1.78E
So that 1 CP of DT is worth to you 11 X 1.78E, not less.
The problem with this grind is that you can wind up with far more CoCs than you need. Still, unless you want, say, max empire's kingmaker, it should be your first go-to grind until you have such a stash.
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