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We all know what the Masters do with their day jobs (specialize in and control one category of trade), but they were also hired to serve the Bazaar. Why? To collect anything and everything related to Love. But, how do all of the Masters do it? Some are obvious, while others are not...
This is all conjecture, so I may be wrong. Please let me know what you think.
Mr. Apples/Hearts - As Mr. Hearts, he sells you Imperial Redolance, which makes it easier for different animals to breed with each other to create unique offsprings. He may be researching interspecias romances... which can be useful for the Bazaar. I have not interacted with Mr. Apples yet, so I can't really say anything about him.
Mr. Cups/Mirrors - He is an interesting case. At first, Mr. Cups does not seem to do much related to love. However, he collects all the junk and refuse (Scraps) that floats around the city and sorts through it. He may be looking for items that tell the tales of Love that was lost and broken/discarded from the current city. While it may be counterintuitive to look for failure, you can't understand success unless you understand why love can also fail. In addition, the scraps may be remnants of things from the previous cities, which he meticulously reconstruct (such as the Home Comfort item that you get from him). This can be useful, because it can let the Bazaar gain additional stories from previous cities that may have been overlooked previously. As Mr. Mirrors, he has dominion over Mirrors, which show the dream world, where people's hidden desires are laid bare. Tales of romances that have not yet been, and may never be. Unlike Mr. Spices/Wines, he is just a voyeur, looking from the outside in when it comes to dreams.
Mr. Fires - ...no idea. He has too much fun running the Industry in the city to focus on Love. He does have some agents who manipulate failing relationships to keep them together, though, but as we learn with Mr. Spices (read below), manipulating love invalidates the stories, so this is not useful activity.
Mr. Iron - Runs the "illegal" Knife and Candle leagues. Love through adversity?
Mr. Pages - The Department of Menace Irradication. Using the pretext of "socially disruptive literature", Mr. Pages collects stories of love, both fictional and non-fictional, to put into whatever archive stores all the various love stories. None of the materials are actually burned (well, maybe duplicates).
Mr. Spices - Attempted to manufacture Love Stories by creating a certain notorious immortal criminal, but they were deemed too artificial to count as real love Stories. Currently trying to gain love stories through dreams.
Mr. Stones - ...No idea. Everything that he does seems to be counterproductive to Love. As best as I can tell, he is amassing Wealth to acquire the next city, although buying it instead of receiving it through a love-based transaction does not seem like it would help the Bazaar.
Mr. Veils - No idea... Too busy killing things to do anything productive. Runs the fashion industry, I guess. According to Zailors, he does have girls, though.
Mr. Wines - Loves holding parties, which is a great way for people to meet and, potentially, fall in love. Alcohol also reduces inhibitions, which can cause romances to blossom between people who are normally too nervous/uptight to fall in love. Also runs the brothels, so love in exchange for money?
Mr... Spices/Wines - Formerly the dominion of a different Master who shall not be named, Spices and Wines compete to control Dreams. Why is this important? Many people are uninhibited in dreams, and can let their true feelings show. Any love stories that the Masters collect from here are pure, even if they may be unrequited.EDIT: Fixed some errors and updated info.
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Mr Fires is absolutely not serving the Bazaar. He wishes to stay within London for however long is possible, and the destiny setting involving the Bazaar/Masters notably does not appear to feature him. His conflict of interests will probably come to a violent end.
Mr Iron also seems opposed to the Bazaar and other Masters' methods of obtaining love stories. He does feature in the aforementioned destiny setting, however, so while he might be a thorn in the side for the others it is not something that requires him to be terminated.
Mr Stones...hm. Well, I feel it's pretty safe to say that he doesn't care about the Bazaar's mission at this point. He just wants to reap what he can while he's here and hasten the end of this whole business. Again, not enough of a problem to require drastic measures.
Mr Veils does not run the brothels - Mr Wines runs those. Mr Veils is involved in the clothing industry, so Veils' girls are probably models. Since he has dominion over clothing he would provide the fabric for the brothel workers' attire, but Mr Wines would be involved in the dyes. Well, one dye at least; not sure if he has any claim on dyes entirely.
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Grenem wrote:
Sara Hysaro wrote:
Passionario wrote:
They don't look like models to me.
Yeah, they kinda look like dancers there. Well, Veils does like music.
Maybe Mr. veils is just generally the one for art and plays and stuff?
(Remember, it's your fault for me replying like this  )
Mr Veils Girls.
(Inspired by both the original and the...more hedonistic versions. Guess which one is more influential? Player is not responsible for other character's deaths if they try to see the Sun.)
Well Veilgarden girls are flip
I really dig those Hats they wear
And the Flit-ish girls with the way they rob
They knock me out when I'm up there
But Palace Royal Daughters, really make you feel all wrong
And the Courtly girls with the way they kiss,
Exile me, for just one Opera Song
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils' girls
The Mirror-Box has the sunshine
And the users get so banned
I dug a Romance tale on Hunter's Keep
Sisters' mansion by the sand
I've been all around this great big 'Neath
And I have seen all kinds of girls
Yeah, but I couldn't wait to get back to the Docks
Back to the Scarletest girls in the World!
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils' girls
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I crave the)
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I crave the)
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I crave the)
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I crave the)
I wish they all could be Mr. Veils'
(Girls, girls, girls yeah I crave the)
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Maybe Master Veils roofies the other Masters with Oblivion, then dresses them up in skirts and organizes a vaudeville performance at the docks.
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I'm not sure I agree with that analysis, dov. While it's true that the...
*spoilers follow for Ambition: Light Fingers*
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...horrible experiments at the Orphanage turned out to be useless to the Bazaar's goals, that was because they were manufactured, not because they weren't between two beings. One of the NPCs was specifically forced to fall in love with the Orphanage itself, and all manner of other twisted reflections on the nature and possibility of love were attempted there.
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And here the PC thought they were just going to chase after a big shiny diamond. O, Fallen London, how we do love the way you subvert expectation!
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While Mr Veils himself might seem a like bit of a playboy. Veils Enterprises has done a lot of good for this city.
But to answer the OP 
I think the different trades the Master deal in are what they are good at, commerce is their real role and so they keep doing that even in the Neath. They are mercantile by nature and like trading stuff. Collecting love stories is something that has been foisted on them by the Bazaar. They were never trained to do that, and might not even really understand exactly what it is they are trying to collect. They certainly seem a little confused by how exactly love works. Which might explain why they don't always appear to be the best at their new job?
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Lady Taimi Felix wrote:
I'm not sure I agree with that analysis, dov. While it's true that the...
*spoilers follow for Ambition: Light Fingers*
[spoiler]
...horrible experiments at the Orphanage turned out to be useless to the Bazaar's goals, that was because they were manufactured, not because they weren't between two beings. One of the NPCs was specifically forced to fall in love with the Orphanage itself, and all manner of other twisted reflections on the nature and possibility of love were attempted there.
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And here the PC thought they were just going to chase after a big shiny diamond. O, Fallen London, how we do love the way you subvert expectation!
The Masters don't seem to like each other, they're always squabbling. They seem to be in some sort of indentured servitude. Mr. Wines seems to have gone straight out psychotic from the strain. I can't figure what kind of non-compete contract they all must have signed to still be "employed" by the Bazaar after all these thousands of years that would make it worth the while of any sentient being.
Their failures - The Jack-of-Smiles story and other cruel experiments, show that they have no understanding of humanity, no interest in it, and they are increasingly desperate to hurry "things" along.
Have they been promised emancipation from the Bazaar at some point? Have they been trapped somehow, and are making the best of it?
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Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
A real push, but perhaps 'the girls of Mr Veils' is referring to an Island Sisterhood? Although perhaps they wouldn't have golden locks?
Don't tell those girls
they're Master Veils'
Don't call them girls at all
I seen ships go down
seen women drown
say that and you'll envy their fall
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Wolfstack girls really knock me out
And take my rostygo-old
Drownie girls make me scream and shout
And Bugsby always covers me in — covers me in mo-o-old
YEAH let me drink that honey...
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Now that I think about it, if veils is about performances, that might include e__t_c ones, so the song still makes sense, really.
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I think Mr. Apples is going for a more... straightforward approach when it comes to manufacturing love stories.
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
Passionario wrote:
They don't look like models to me.
Yeah, they kinda look like dancers there. Well, Veils does like music.
Maybe Mr. veils is just generally the one for art and plays and stuff?
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I'm not sure if this is off topic (because the current subject of discussion is on something else) But I just finished the Affair of the Box Storyline. And it got me thinking...
The Masters are trying to find/gather/make love stories. (I'll leave how much of their influence makes it useful or not, up to someone else.) What's stopping a master from contributing to one?
Like... Mr. Fires. It's clear he doesn't want to move onto another city. He loves London, infact. Could that not be counted? He loves London so much, that in a possible destiny your player character is the one to replace him. He also loves tinkering with devices like engines and dirigibles and other more mechanical stuff. A love for one's work, for building and machining and making things with skill is still a form of love, after all. Maybe it counts? Maybe it doesn't. But I know for certain Mr. Fires loves London and he seems to love machines...
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I think what the Bazaar wants are love stories between actual beings. Love in general (to an item, a concept, etc.) doesn't really help with the Bazaar's end goal here (that is, to prove that love between beings in different places in the Great Chain should be allowed).
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Passionario wrote:
They don't look like models to me.
Yeah, they kinda look like dancers there. Well, Veils does like music.
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Well, models are admired, are they not? Not to mention that everyone wants to make a great impression on their dates with appealing clothing, often following fashion trends that need to be made available for society to consume. Clothes are more than just utility - what you wear can make a big difference in a lot of ways.
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th8827 wrote:
I could have sworn it was Veils... So, what does he actually do for the Bazaar? I can't think of any rational explanation for him.
There's a song by the Dockers (I think?) that mentions "Veils' girls" . . .
I found a quote of it while trying to do a search for something else, so came back here (as I remembered you mentioning all this). If Veils isn't in charge of the brothels, I'd be very interested in who his 'girls' are . . . assuming the rhyme actually exists in game, it may be where you got that impression of him from, too
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I found the snippet that you mentioned. That may be what I was remembering.
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A real push, but perhaps 'the girls of Mr Veils' is referring to an Island Sisterhood? Although perhaps they wouldn't have golden locks?
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No-one said it wasn't a satire 
TheThirdPolice wrote:
Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
A real push, but perhaps 'the girls of Mr Veils' is referring to an Island Sisterhood? Although perhaps they wouldn't have golden locks?
Don't tell those girls
they're Master Veils'
Don't call them girls at all
I seen ships go down
seen women drown
say that and you'll envy their fall
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I could have sworn it was Veils... So, what does he actually do for the Bazaar? I can't think of any rational explanation for him.
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I recommend to spoiler tag the above post, even though the thread's title includes the word "spoilers".
This is a major spoiler for the very end (currently) of this Ambition.
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Zharend wrote:
AmouryDeDomremy wrote:
[...]Mr Cups/Mirrors is responsible for the murder of the loved one that causes the player character to come to the Neath in the first place. A story of love for one whom is lost is still a love story, after all.
It is also synthetic and ergo useless to the Bazaar, for whom they collect love stories, as they have no reason to otherwise. You would think Mr. Cups/Mirrors would have realized that, since they had established that fact prior with Jack of Smiles. And they probably did, so I can't imagine there isn't more to it, but I haven't read a word of Nemesis, and so can't say.
I'm not sure the nemesis story is useless to the Bazaar. The Jack of Smiles stories might be unusable because they are too common, too random and too pointless. So many people have been victims of Jack, there's no real purpose or motive behind Jack's actions, just killing someone and the nature of Jack makes it hard to bring some closure to it, being more of a symptom of an uncaring and impersonal system that's broken. I think the nemesis creates a story that's much greater than anything Jack has achieved, something that transcends the original cause.
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If I remember one of the destinies correct, only Mr. Wines still actually believes the Masters can accomplish their mission to unite the Bazaar with the Sun. At this point, they are all deep down pretty much exactly like Mr. Fires in the sense that they just want to bleed the seven cities dry of any resources they can. It's also made rather obvious that they are growing not only impatient, but also resentful, of their obligations to the Bazaar. The fact that there is becoming less and less time between the falls of the chosen cities leads one to believe they want out as fast as possible and don't truly believe love between two beings on the Great Chain is truly possible.
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My point, with the above in mind, is the Masters are basically only collecting love stories out of obligation at this point.
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My main concern is not why they do or don't collect Love Stories, but HOW they collect it.
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Zharend wrote:
It's not simply a matter of quantity, consistency, or purpose, it's that the Bazaar or their agents (the Masters) were involved at all, or so the general consensus was when I saw discussed previously what actually makes a story useless to the Bazaar.
[spoiler]My take on that story - the Masters influence the stories all the dang time, but the Jack case was a failure because their influence was far too direct. It was a case of Mr Spices basically knocking on some dude's door and saying "hey, your wife's cheating on you, you should kill her." (Or whatever the precise details were - I can't recall them exactly right at this moment.) Sure, it's a plenty tragic story, but it's got this great big Master-shaped deus ex machina plopped right in the middle and providing 100% of the driving motivation. Badly-written story, got rejected by their celestial publisher. With the unfortunate consequence that all that dude's knives are now haunted - and, if that weren't bad enough, they're not even haunted in a cool gothic magical realism "and his terrible passion lives on in his work" way, because the story got buried, so its results just seem like random violence.[/spoiler]
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Nanako wrote:
th8827 wrote:
We all know what the Masters do with their day jobs (specialize in and control one category of trade), but they were also hired to serve the Bazaar. Why?
This intrigues me. The masters were hired? By whom? From where?
And if they're employees of some sort, does that mean they're being paid? In what? they don't seem to lack for material wealth.
Major spoilers below. Read at your own risk.
[spoiler]They were hired by the Bazaar itself. The Bazaar, a giant space crab, wants to prove to the stars in the sky that it should be able to love the sun, a being that is much higher up on the great chain than it is. Of course, the sun does not reciprocate these emotions. To prove that their love should be able to exist, it is collecting love stories featuring people of different statuses to show that love should not only exist between beings of equal status.[/spoiler]
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They don't look like models to me.
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FAIN TO DISAGREE
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