Erika
Posts: 528
1/20/2016
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Would anyone be interested in attempting something along the lines of the Noman's Friend Loss data thread?
Currently, there is a formula dictating how many echoes can be lost and gained from Bringing the celebtraion home on the Tower of Sparrows card::
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Currently, we also have no idea what this formula is. Considering the branch requires 40 echoes, it's possible with low watchful that you might be able to lose 40 echoes, or that with watchful 300, gain 40 echoes. We simply just don't know.
There's been an attempt to find out the formula in the comments section of the above wiki page, but the same kind of spirit that's being given to the Noman's Friend thread would really help out here.
If you want to help, the best way you could do this is just pick a level of watchful, your highest or how low you can manage with a talkative rattus faber, stick with it, post with your Watchful and change in Pennies, and edit your post if you do the card again. You could list your MW gain as well if you wanted.
edited by Cecil on 1/23/2016
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malthaussen
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1/20/2016
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As a preliminary and not rigorous answer, I have twice chosen this option with ~150 Watchful and lost ~15-18 Echoes both times.
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Parelle
Posts: 1084
1/20/2016
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Ha. Luckily in all of my making waves to draw Slowcake and giving away Notablity this season I've saved up a bunch of Nights on the Town. I'll join in the record keeping when I next see it. Query: are there any result formulas which depend on Airs of London?
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Gonen
Posts: 817
1/20/2016
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Wasn't it random? I recently lost about 7 echos for watchful value of 249, while back then I gained some when watchful was under 200
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Grenem
Posts: 2067
1/20/2016
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Gonen wrote:
Wasn't it random? I recently lost about 7 echos for watchful value of 249, while back then I gained some when watchful was under 200
Random, yes, but watchful affected random. The game explicitly says watchful may have an effect, but it's largely random.
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Loon
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1/20/2016
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Yes, Gonen, it's random, but we'd like to know the range. With watchful 202 I just lost 1022 pennies.
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RandomWalker
Posts: 948
1/21/2016
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For the record, Watchful 225, loss 2427.
Watchful 247, won 499
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Erika
Posts: 528
1/21/2016
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To save on confusion, I've moved all my results here.
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W181
-14.83E
W183
+6.25E
W203
-4.76E
W207
-10.12E
W209
+0.14E
W210
-16.63E
W214
-27.73E
W221
+1.04E 32MW
-16.6E 56MW
+1.19E 43MW
-18.37E 51MW
-19.9E 62MW
W239
+21.52E 38MW
W250
+13.54E
W 253
+6.24E
-24.98E
-7.48E
-1.92E
-14.01E
-12.54E
-0.05E
+17.68E
W254
+5.44E
W260
-8.86E
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metasynthie
Posts: 645
1/22/2016
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Watchful 263, lost 27.36E
Watchful 173, gained 16.16E and 11 CP Making Waves
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The Duke of Waltham
Posts: 150
1/23/2016
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Do we only care about echoes, then? That's a shame; I've sometimes arranged Nights on the Town then spent them back on this, to try and increase my Making Waves. It seems that I've gained more often than lost, and I'd be interested in seeing whether we could pin down more definitively how this is determined. (The card doesn't say, after all, exactly what part of our gains is affected by high Watchful.) The only problem is that one needs to find out exactly what the increase has been; I've checked by going to the Honey-Dens of Veilgarden before and after, but I don't suppose it's something I can do all the time.
Watchful 192, lost 11.94 echoes and gained 16 CPs of Making Waves (from 9 5/10 to 11; a net loss, having spent 20 CPs for the Night on the Town).
EDIT: Is there any way to know whether one's total amount of echoes affects the result? Is it only main qualities that affect certain rewards in the game, or are there rewards that are calculated as percentages of other things, like number of items owned?
edited by The Duke of Waltham on 1/23/2016
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Erika
Posts: 528
1/23/2016
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The Duke of Waltham wrote:
Do we only care about echoes, then?
Updated the first post to include a request for MW, I thought I put something in there about MW! Sorry!
The Duke of Waltham wrote:
EDIT: Is there any way to know whether one's total amount of echoes affects the result?
It's possible, the easiest way to test this would be to do it when you've only got 40 echoes, turn all your echoes into connection items and see if you notice a difference, connection items are best because they convert 62.5>60 (or something) nicely.
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wraith
Posts: 136
1/24/2016
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watchful 158 gained 1800 penny went from making wakes 7 to 10 (i don't know the cps)
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RandomWalker
Posts: 948
1/24/2016
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Watchful 270, gained 92 pennies, watchful went from 14 to 17 (cps unknown).
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
1/24/2016
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Watchful 180, gained 1187d. Plus 4 levels of MW (11-15). Since my Nights on the Town are free, that is a big gain for a change.
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annalibertas
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1/25/2016
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This will be significantly more frustrating to document now that this card no longer loops (so sad about this change btw) but I'll bookmark the thread & report back next time the card comes up
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The Duke of Waltham
Posts: 150
1/25/2016
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Cecil wrote:
Updated the first post to include a request for MW, I thought I put something in there about MW! Sorry!
Thanks for that!
Cecil wrote:
The Duke of Waltham wrote:
EDIT: Is there any way to know whether one's total amount of echoes affects the result?
It's possible, the easiest way to test this would be to do it when you've only got 40 echoes, turn all your echoes into connection items and see if you notice a difference, connection items are best because they convert 62.5>60 (or something) nicely.
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean about connection items, but I was planning to buy a University fellowship anyway, so I did.
I've tried this now for the first time: 40 echoes exactly and 131 Watchful have gained me 18.21 echoes and 28 CPs of Making Waves (from 16 1/17 to 17 12/18), a net gain of 8. I'll probably be listing future results in this post for convenience.
Fresh attempt at 40 echoes exactly and 165 (156+9) Watchful: I have gained 8.15 echoes and 13 CPs of Making Waves (from 11 8/12 to 12 9/13), a net loss of 7. Unfortunately I didn't think to try it at 131 Watchful again, which would have eliminated another potential variable.
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Erika
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1/28/2016
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The Duke of Waltham wrote:
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean about connection items, but I was planning to buy a University fellowship anyway, so I did.
For example. Get 20 results when you have W220 and 1040 echoes, then buy 16 Bright Brass Skulls (Diaries of the Dead and Rookery Passwords also work) to put yourself at 40 echoes (the minimum for the branch), then when you want echoes again, selling your connection items you've only lost 4% of your liquidated wealth.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
1/31/2016
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Watchful 184: +1290d, MW 11>12. It looks like both money and MW are random.
Watchful 154: -400d, MW 16>17. Didn't equip my Watchful gear this time.
Watchful 186: -2706d, MW 19>20
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genesis
Posts: 924
2/8/2016
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Worth bearing mind that some formulas use base stat while others use stat with equipment bonuses.
Watchful 199+64: +1078p, MW 18 -> 19 (1-38 CP)
Watchful 199+64: +163p, MW 20 -> 22 (23-65 CP)
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Nanako
Posts: 536
2/8/2016
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This is curious, i trust this is the option on the Rooms above a Gambling Den card? i only just found out, having never purchased this lodging.
Someone mentioned spending making waves to aquire the Nights on the Town in the first place? how does that work?
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