Erika
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1/19/2016
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WARNING
The first warning for Pails melting has been seen, when you get this message via TtH, your next TtH will melt your pails.
Alright, I'm going to keep a Noman alive until the Feast. Who else is?
Attempting
An Individual 15 ToL - 30 Pails - 2 Tears
Cecil 15 ToL - 33 Pails - 14 Tears
Cocytus 15+ ToL - 7 Pails - 12 Tears
Colin Sapherson 18 Pails - 5 Tears
Furak 21 Pails - 11 Tears
Loiathal 21 Pails - 11 Tears
Màiread
Mimic 12 Pails - 9 Tears
Mordaine Barimen 17 ToL - 24 Pails - 17 Tears
neongrey
RandomWalker 12 ToL - 4 Pails - 40 Tears
Sir Joseph Marlen 15 ToL - 26 Pails - 11 Tears
Toran 17 Pails - 11 Tears
xenopus 12 Pails - 6 Tears
Tattoo bearers
NiteBrite
bjorntfh
These are dates things have happened on before, but remember:
Hannah Flynn wrote:
We don't automate our content releases: a writer has to be present when it goes live. This means most content releases are at around noon GMT on Mon-Thur, never at weekends, and generally not on Fridays. 
Sacksmas Guide
Advent Calendar
December 1st (~Dec 25th)
The 12 Days of Mr Sacks
December 25th (~Jan 5th?)
Penstock's Wicket
January 6th (~31st?)
Bucket melt warning
Warned by the Apicius Club
(February 1st?)
Feast of the Exceptional Rose Guide
Feast of the Exceptional Rose
Febuary 14th
Lilac
Febuary 20th?
Noman Price Watch
[spoiler]
7/1/16 - 3 ToL
8/1/16 - 3 ToL
9/1/16 - 5 ToL
10/1/16 - 5 ToL
11/1/16 - 5 ToL
12/1/16 - 7 ToL
13/1/16 - 7 ToL
14/1/16 - 7 ToL
15/1/16 - 9 ToL
16/1/16 - 9 ToL
17/1/16 - 9 ToL
18/1/16 - 9 ToL
19/1/16 - 9 ToL
20/1/16 - 9 ToL
21/1/16 - 12 ToL
22/1/16 - 12 ToL
23/1/16 - 12 ToL
24/1/16 - 15 ToL
25/1/16 - 15 ToL
[/spoiler]
edited by Cecil on 2/6/2016
edited by Cecil on 2/9/2016
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malthaussen
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2/15/2016
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Philosophically, and as one who had no vested interest in this for this year, I disagree with FBG's actions in this.
I first started playing right before the Hallowmas festival. As Forum members are aware, players organized and made a community effort to get the most Spirit of Hallowmas possible from that festival, with the result that a large number broke 500 and several broke 1000 (for which no additional content had been prepared). Thus, the "achievement" of 500 spirit was "cheapened" for the players by making it more common. One can only wonder what goalposts the devs intend to move between now and October of '16 to restore the integrity of the achievement.
Similarly, for Sacksmas the community again organized and cooperated to take best advantage of the Sacksmas cards and the corresponding MW and stat boosts. I understand that FBG lowered the amounts gained by the cards, and gave fewer per delivery, which helped to undermine this effort, also, although it was still a good experience for all involved. Now it is the Festival of the Rose, and again they have changed expectations, to preserve the integrity of the achievement literally, as attested by Chris.
There are many achievements in FL that were accomplished only by a few, that community spirit and organization tried to facilitate for others, thus making what was once known to only a few, available to many. We have lists of those who possess cider, uber-and-over-goats, Scarlet Saint status, etc. It seems that in every instance, the devs have acted to disappoint expectations and thus discourage community effort, which is an act I find philosophically discouraging. Even SMEN falls into this category: as I understand from reading its history, it began as an "every man for himself" effort, but the community banded together (with much effort from NiteBrite at the point, not to disparage any other contributors), to make the content, insofar as possible, a cooperative adventure instead of a game of King of the Hill. That the content was eventually abandoned (or postponed) as a result of other factors (by Alexis's own testimony), does not remove it from the pattern: whenever the community comes together to optimize (or exploit take your pick)parts of the game, the developers take action to defeat or at least impair them. Now, I have been a DM for decades, and I can assure you that the DM who blocks his players at every turn whenever they come up with an idea he hadn't thought of, is a DM who is going to have a rebellion on his hands. I do not, at this point, given my own lack of experience of FL and time in-game, suggest that these actions of the developers are indications of malice (which in fact would seem to run contrary to the feelings of others with much more experience than I about the developers), but I do suggest that they could be interpreted that way, or at least raise the question of why community effort is apparently discouraged, if not by overtly censoring the forums, then by changing the rules of the game. It's a bit disappointing, although in my case not soul-searing, especially as I had not the opportunity to devote so much time and effort to a goal that was more chimerical than I knew.
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Toran
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2/16/2016
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Success! Failbetter made it all fixed. They are the best.
Also, way to break my heart even when I'm getting a tattoo of you, Noman.
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Màiread
Posts: 385
2/15/2016
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Lilac is here! I now have a Face in the Snow.
Edit: Found the new snippet - it's available after nabbing your tattoo.
I AM SO EXCITED! CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE WHO MADE IT! And an enormous thank you to those of you who helped us on the way. And thank you Failbetter for this lovely lovely writing.
[spoiler] Oh hell, I really, really hope this isn't the foreshadowing of an even longer grind to come...[/spoiler]
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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2/15/2016
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Woo! Just got the Gant tattoo of my Noman! Thanks to everyone who cheered us on the entire way and gave us the support we needed in the forums. You guys rock. Happy Feast, everyone!
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Estelle Knoht
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2/3/2016
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Parelle wrote:
I cared enough to spend six months clicking the same buttons over and over, I cared enough to get up early and sometimes even in the middle of the night. I didn't do that because I wanted to nab a shiny badge that no one else could get or brag about it on the forums - I did it because the story was meaningful to me. I think it's a shame that this emotional investment seems to have been given a lower value than prestige. I would have ploughed everything I had into this, but I wasn't given the choice.
There has to be a better way than upsetting people that way.
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An Individual
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2/15/2016
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I also now bear a tattoo of my Noman. Two of them actually. I wasn't a fan of the first tattoo I picked back in the day so I reworked them. Two might seem kind of silly but one is rather hidden and love is sacrifice and all that. Congratulations to everyone that made it. Now it's time to see if my Noman loves me enough to explode into an elemental secret.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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2/5/2016
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Cecil wrote:
It feels right, anyone that's taken part in the IroNoman so far is now getting one free Starveling Cat from the Café. I will still have more than 77*2 Starveling Cats left, so this is easy for me.
Cecil, you beautiful person you, more cats are always welcome! Cats for petting! Cats for eating! Cats for grooming and maiming and screaming and taming! CATS FOR EVERYONE.
On another note, MERCIFUL SAINTS ALIVE DIPPED IN LACRE AND SERVED TO THE MASTERS THEMSELVES, thank you everyone who've helped me grind my Noman's Friend up to 420 after the TtH scare! It was no easy undertaking, but it was nice to see people like metasynthie and Madman-Across-The-Water for helping me out when they could. Special thanks to Parelle for her private dinners and suggestion of my name to Mr. Slowcake, as well as Gonen (via their alt Lady Ella) for sending me a whopping 38 invitations to Caligula's coffee house (how insane is that?!).
The help is more than appreciated, and it's comforting to see these tattoos to be a mutual undertaking both for the grinders and the community willing to support and cheer them on the entire way. Thank you all so much! 
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Gonen
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2/15/2016
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Very good points you brought there, Mal.
I believe the issue at hand is less of blocking the community's attempts and more changing the rules after much investment and no chance to adjust.
But that's been discussed plenty, and FBG acknowledged the community's distress signs in real time and responded, though contrary to their opinion. Which is very admirable.
There are several issues with community assistance:
It IS very uniting and adds fun and positivity as added value to the season. But it DOES cheapen goals.
Now, we have a problem here. Suppose we raise the bar - and announce it beforehand so no one will be surprised, etc. - what will be with those lone players? Those who are not aware of the forums or have less interest with it? I believe they are the majority (!) of players. How can they achieve the higher bar without a community effort?
We visit this forum a lot, but let us remember that FL is originally a single player, non competitive game.
How to keep some prizes exclusive yet achievable for single players? Does everyone deserve every prize? Is there any room for exclusivity?
And, yes... what to do if the community keeps reducing a very challenging task to a mild to moderate one? (Is that wrong? Will it be less fun for everyone?)
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Estelle Knoht
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2/3/2016
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metasynthie wrote:
The developers are not the ones who led you to believe your preparations were sufficient, and it's very nasty of you to blame them for that. Especially when all that's been removed is your "guarantee of success," not the success or its possibility.
I guess it is the problem with expectations - most of these players merely saw "A Noman Tattoo requires a Noman in Feburary" in game, the in game text merely says "No extra reward if you bring Noman to speak with Lilac", and some such. It is a huge undertaking, but it is not explicitly stated as a perilous undertaking, or that it has to be rare and prestigious.
It doesn't really tell the player "This is a significant challenge with moving goalposts" and some such. Granted, games are not obliged to coddle players, but on the flip side Fallen London is not exactly hardcore survival something something. It doesn't help that Noman, so far, seems to be a war of attrition to me.
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Erika
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2/3/2016
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It feels right, anyone that's taken part in the IroNoman so far is now getting one free Starveling Cat from the Café. I will still have more than 77*2 Starveling Cats left, so this is easy for me.
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Erika
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2/2/2016
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For anyone that hasn't noticed, this just got a lot harder all of sudden:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21457-nomans-friend-loss-data.aspx?Page=7
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Furak
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2/3/2016
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Hi there, i wasnt aware of the thread i dont do forum that much...
I had 21 pails and 11 tears to start with
now im on 0 pails 5 tears and 229 Noman's friend (and 0 of FBG's friend)
I've spent money to get those tears, well most of them, i could have gone higher with my NF quality, but i had 300+ and i didnt see need to waste more tears. Now i know im not going to get the tattoo because even if i'd give the remaining tears to noman it will most likely wont be enough to keep him alive through 3 more Tim the Hitler's visits.
Im disgusted by the cheap shot like this, no heads up what so ever is very much unlike FBG regarding established content changes.
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Toran
Posts: 193
1/25/2016
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I currently have 400 Noman's Friend, which at 70 loss per week gets me 6 weeks before he dies, which should put me right around mid-March. But we'll see how much actually melts each week. I'm determining whether I'm going to add more. I have 3 ToL, 3 buckets, and 5 Tears left. I had one Tears that gave me 19 ToL!
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navchaa
Posts: 561
1/20/2016
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This thread is so wonderful - I really do feel like a spectator on the sidelines cheering all the marathoners on. Has anyone recently said good things about Fallen London and the wonderful community on the Forums? No? Really? Well, this is a great community centred around an exceptional game! Three cheers!
And I'm off to amble around the carnival for face painting and cotton candy - surely a marathon of this renown would have a carnival?
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Parelle
Posts: 1084
1/20/2016
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Go Sir Joseph and Colin! I didn't recommend you rascals to Slowcake for nothing!
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NiteBrite
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1/22/2016
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The wiki says it costs 10 fate to reset the conversation. It's 50 fate to reset a tattoo, if, you know, if there's no 3rd tattoo this year which is possible. So if you are doing a noman run, and have two tattoos already, be aware this is possible. Personally I hope there is a third tattoo option this year because I want a heptagoat tattoo haha ;-)
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malthaussen
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2/15/2016
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But consider Gonen, that the isolated player has no knowledge if his achievement is common or not, and derives his satisfaction from the act, not the bragging rights. If so, then making the achievement more difficult because others, of whom he is not even aware, can reach it more easily than he, does nothing for such a player but make life more difficult.
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Optimatum
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2/15/2016
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I would think that most lone players would be correspondingly unaware of the rarest and hardest achievements. Knowing of the value given to or gained from these accomplishments would require either learning from other community members, putting them on the periphery of the larger groups, or playing for over a year without checking the playerbase's accumulated knowledge.
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Juno
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2/15/2016
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Màiread wrote:
Lilac is here! I now have a Face in the Snow.
Let me be the first to offer you my heartfelt congratulations on your latest body decoration. 
Although I was not a participant this year, by all accounts it sounds like a hellish slog, so bravo! And enjoy!
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Erika
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2/18/2016
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Well, it was accidental, but I let my bo'sun melt. I did get my tattoo though. Also, congrats all! May your cats keep longer company than your Noman.
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NiteBrite
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1/24/2016
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Probably yeah.
I wonder if anyone will try to beat my high score of survival until March 18th haha.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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2/6/2016
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xenopus wrote:
Wow, I missed the whole increase and decrease of loss while happily grinding for the Feast of the Rose in my corner.
Meanwhile, it's 144 Noman's Friend now, so my low-maintenance Noman probably isn't making it even with the adjustment, right?
I don't know how much it will help, but Chris (one of the developers) said that you could email Failbetter support with a request to restore some of your Noman's Friend quality. They raised mine back up by roughly 30 points, give or take. Blasted memory always fails me when I need it.
In all reality, you still have a shot. They reduced how much is taken with Time the Healer. Plus you only have to hold out until Feb. 15th, when Lilac finally shows up, so that's good. Depending on when TtH comes for you, how much you can boost you Noman's Friend with last minute Tears of the Bazaar and getting some back from support (all that may not be necessary, but why chance it?), and solely based on luck just how much of the quality you lose each week, your odds don't actually look that bad. Don't give up yet, friend!
If you need to know what the latest news is and want to stay updated, you can look here: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21704-the-feast-is-coming-what-to-expect-this-year.aspx for the Noman's Friend losses, here: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21704-the-feast-is-coming-what-to-expect-this-year.aspx for news on the FotER, and obviously in this thread should anything else arise. Best of luck, we're rooting for you!
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Erika
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2/6/2016
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Loiathal wrote:
We get cats? Excellent, Cecil you're the best.
Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
Cecil, you beautiful person you, more cats are always welcome! Cats for petting! Cats for eating! Cats for grooming and maiming and screaming and taming! CATS FOR EVERYONE.
The cats have been dispatched! Everyone check your messages.
If you haven't received a cat and aren't listed in the first post, send me a message, I must have missed any posts you'd made.
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malthaussen
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2/15/2016
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Either unaware of the achievement, or unaware of how common it is. The lowest-level goat and cider are simple enough goals conceptually, since they are items freely for sale in the bazaar. In many ways, though, the lone player suffers a handicap to begin with, unless he uses the wiki and other resources without partaking of (or engaging in) forum activity. How many secrets are there that are not known in-game until a certain condition is met? For example, the option to buy a room at the Royal Beth with 50 Antique Mysteries and Nightmares of 5 only appears if the prerequisites are met. A lone player would have no inkling of this, and thus would have to acquire such a room with the default option. Now, this past Sackmas a whole battalion of players acquired 5-card lodgings because the procedure was well-discussed and understood in the forum. But one who does not participate in the forum wouldn't know of the procedure at all. On the one hand, then, if FBG made the process more difficult (thus preserving the integrity of the 5-card lodging achievement. such as it is), it would only affect community-oriented players, because they are the only ones who would probably know about it. But it carries a hidden penalty to the lone player, who just had the requirements for something increased before he even knew the thing was possible to begin with. It seems kind of iffy to me, again from a philosophical standpoint. I feel like the devs want to preserve the cachet of the game while not completely considering the ramifications, which is perhaps condescending on my part, but nevertheless I think it a fruitful question for discussion.
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colinsapherson
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2/16/2016
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Just to say, my gant tattoo is on my mantlepiece. Thanks all for your help in this endeavour.
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1/23/2016
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NiteBrite wrote:
The wiki says it costs 10 fate to reset the conversation. It's 50 fate to reset a tattoo, if, you know, if there's no 3rd tattoo this year which is possible. So if you are doing a noman run, and have two tattoos already, be aware this is possible. Personally I hope there is a third tattoo option this year because I want a heptagoat tattoo haha ;-)
edited by NiteBrite on 1/22/2016
If Failbetter is reading this, you should get that third tattoo anyway being the first to get the Goat.
Everybody else who gets there after that. Well, this clip pretty much says it all YOU DID IT! YAY!
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Erika
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1/23/2016
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The first warning for Pails melting has been seen, so in two time the healers from now, your buckets will melt (according to this update).
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yetanotherone
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1/20/2016
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NiteBrite wrote:
...they used direct applications of 53 bottles of tears ...
53 bottles of tears. 53!
Every time I think I might be overdoing it a bit with my item-hoarding, I am made to feel slightly less insane by this forum
And a noman would make for an ugly tattoo anyway...
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MadmanAtW
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1/20/2016
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You people are all insane and I love it. Also cheering from the sidelines.
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Mordaine Barimen
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1/20/2016
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They did it solely to mess with your head, Cecil.
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For clarification, the tattoo is a bragging rights reward and no more potent than any other tattoo. (The Noman does also unlock one conversation option with Lilac during her storyline.)
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NiteBrite
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1/19/2016
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Where are you getting these dates? They seem really optimistic. Like, you have pails melting on the 8th?? They melted on the 1st last year. I will grant you that the pails hover text no longer says "at the end of January" but instead says "at the end of winter", but Holidays are centered around key unmovable benchmarks, in this case Valentines Day. FoTER must start on the 14th, and Lilac showed up last year on the 20th (within a week). I know the first of February is a Friday this year, but even if you were optimistic and pushed the melting out to the next monday that would still only be the 4th (which even that seems optimistic). If you had pails on the 8th, your noman would only have to live like 12 days?? What? That can't be right, there would be no challenge to survive less than 2 weeks.
Also you show Lilac as showing up on the 25th last year but that's not right and its easily disapproven by looking at the (spoiler) noman tattoo echo on my journal which is clearly dated the 20th. I could see it if you said she had to show up on the 25th this year to keep her appearance on a Thursday, but it feels pushed out relative to the holiday benchmark of the 14th which is when FoTER must start. Basically, Lilac showed up in less than a week of FoTER's start last year, and the 25th would push her out to nearly 2 weeks into the event despite her being its key mechanic for masquing gain. That really doesn't seem like it would work to me. Holidays aren't typically more than 3-4 weeks long, so it would be really weird to delay lilac for 2 weeks after the 14th. I'd think she'd still fall in that roughly 1 week window of being around the 19th or 22nd so that the events of the rest of FoTER can proceed normally.
If you put minimum noman survival at 3 weeks (to keep a baseline challenge level across years) it would fit that pails melt on the 1st, a Monday, and then she would appear around the 19th or 22nd (about 3 weeks later). Its not perfect, but it fits last year's 20 day schedule of the 31st to the 20th better than the 8th to the 25th (~17 days) as you have listed.
Another thing, I am not the only person with the noman tattoo. If you look into the Noman Husbandry thread from 2014 (which has tips from the past, while it was still fresh on our minds), you will see that Bjorntfh also got the tattoo albeit they used direct applications of 53 bottles of tears instead of using taste. Their quote of 'My wallet weeps' is appropriate for the non-optimized method they used.
I don't know. Maybe you've got good dates and I am not thinking about it right. Really the important thing is to watch out for the warning signs like de gustibus and be ready to shift plans on a moment's notice. I'm just worried that dates extending over a week into February are going to get people to shave it too close if we aren't careful.
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1/19/2016
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Maybe next year, I sure can't afford it this time. About how much will one bucket of snow extend a Noman's life?
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xenopus
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1/25/2016
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I used a total of 12 Pails and 5 Tears towards both the Wicket price (bought it on Saturday at 12 ToL) and the Noman himself.
So far I'm at 232 Noman's Friend and have 3 Pails left. I may also yet grind out a Tear, but that remains to be seen.
This is Noman II since Noman I already became an Elemental Secret. Fingers crossed for him.
Update: 15 Pails and 6 Tears resulted in the initial 12 ToL and 283 Noman's Friend, which should be enough lest something unexpected happens. And now we wait.
And since the Wicket closes on Monday 1st this year, could've safely delayed more and avoided one week of Noman's Friend loss. Ah well.
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1/26/2016
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I’ve used 18 Pails, evaporated 4 Vials of Tears and this, together with an unexpected bonus of 18 Noman’s Friend I got from buying cheap, took me all the way up to 337 Noman’s Friend (including the 100 you get at creation). My first Time the Healer since creation has just come and brought me down to 281, which means, if the upper limit of 70 loss per week still holds and Lilac turns up as expected, that I should be fine until the tattoo parlour opens again for business. Here’s hoping it won’t all be in vain!
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Màiread
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1/21/2016
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My dearest Peggy was born just before bed time yesterday on the 20th, and I'm happy to report that after 24 hours we are one dose away from our NMF goal. If only she could be with me forever.
I wound up being pretty much spot on with my estimates and I've used 23 pails and 4 tears. Touch wood and all should be well. Now to decide what to do with the spares!
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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1/22/2016
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Currently my Noman and I are sitting comfy on a Noman's Friend of 496, PTPT: Lacre 12, a Tear of the Bazaar, and just short of a Night-Whisper to getting one more pail of lacre (that I may or may not end up getting). Originally, I started off with 12 Tears of the Bazaar, around 32 Pails of So-Called Snow (28 bought from the Urchins card), and about 7 PTPT: Lacre from access codes and Sacksmas options.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I used up a few buckets on getting a Dark-Carapaced Crustacean and An Infernally Diplomatic Privilege. I don't remember how much the Privilege cost, but I know that I only had to use 2 buckets to get my new pet.
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Màiread
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1/22/2016
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Now that I've drawn the card again, I'm up to 364 NMF and 11 taste. I believe I gathered 32 pails and 13 tears to prepare, and I had 4 taste left over from last year, so I used two buckets, a tear (which was not consumed, yay!) and Mr Sacks to get to 15 and then 23 buckets and 4 tears to sustain her. I've used 3 of my spare buckets to get back to 11 taste just in case, and I'll probably spend the rest of my stuff on M______ B____ and gambling for a crustacean friend.
ETA: Does anyone know off hand how much fate it costs to reset Lilac's conversation?
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Toran
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1/27/2016
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Well, it's disappoint to see that I COULD have waited until today to get my Noman, but no great loss. Unfortunately, I decided to try for a couple replacement tears in the Nadir and managed to lose two tears to heating (as I was trying to get to 7 Taste). So... that was probably foolish of me.
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1/31/2016
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Just a heads up that the wicked closes THIS Monday. Buy them NOW.
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2/3/2016
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I agree, which is why I suggested the idea of a second-prize -- which certainly could involve a story just as meaningful, or more.
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Passionario
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2/3/2016
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
There has to be a better way than upsetting people that way.
A better way would involve adding new goals instead of moving existing ones. They could keep the difficulty of acquiring the Noman tattoo the same, but introduce a new reward for keeping the Noman alive until April or May (or Hallowmas). In fact, they've already done something similar when they introduced Ubergoat and Heptagoat instead of increasing an Overgoat's price ten times to preserve its prestige.
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Loiathal
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2/4/2016
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We get cats? Excellent, Cecil you're the best.
Really, the problem of moving goalposts is about communication-- if January had begun with some text in an announcement or from Penstock about how the Neath was warmer this year, and lacre was more unpredictable, then we would have adjusted accordingly (or not, and our nomans would have melted a sad death). But without the opportunity to adjust, it loses any real sense of challenge and becomes pure RNG.
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Toran
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2/3/2016
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I'll start by saying that the change to the melting, while annoying isn't upsetting me overly. However, I also was aiming for this tattoo because I want something to actually be able to commemorate my Noman. To me, it's the most moving story in Fallen London.
I think the assumption that people trying for the tattoo are doing it as an "achievement" is off the mark. But I could be wrong.
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RandomWalker
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1/26/2016
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Whelp, I've thrown my hat in for another attempt. Just bought my Noman, and have cashed in my first pail, with 12 taste waiting to be given, and 4 pails left to go. Plus 40 tears. I've already lost three tears to huffing, but I'm pretty sure I can make it.
I actually tried this on the first year that the Noman showed itself - bought on on the first week, and kept it going until the first week of the Feast, by feeding it tears direct. Gave up at that point because I thought the reward would be for the beginning of the feast, as tattoos hadn't been a thing up until then. Here's hoping I do better this time.
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Gonen
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1/19/2016
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Oh, this is exciting! Best of luck to all!
Keep us posted.
Will join next year.
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1/19/2016
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Great post, Cecil! I'd like to add that I'm soon to have 11 Tears to go along with the rest of my lacre sources.
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Optimatum
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1/19/2016
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Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
According to the wiki,
1 Bucket = 5 Noman's Friend, 1 ToL = 3 NF, 1Tears of the Bazaar = a random 1-25 NF (possibly more). You need to draw Noman's progress to do the first two however.
To clarify, this means that the most efficient way to use Buckets and Tears is to convert them to Taste of Lacre and use that on the Noman. One Bucket therefore gives 9 NF via monocle and one Tears gives on average 6 Taste for 18 NF.
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1/20/2016
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Parelle wrote:
Go Sir Joseph and Colin! I didn't recommend you rascals to Slowcake for nothing!
We'll try our damnedest, ma'am!
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Erika
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1/20/2016
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Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
I've been meaning to ask if there are any ways to get around a Noman's death. NiteBrite talked about how he preserved his Noman for an extra week by sitting on the Noman's Progress card with enough PTPT: Lacre to give her enough juice to keep her preserved. I wonder, could someone wait on a Tear of the Bazaar so that when Time the Healer does the opposite of healing to the Noman you could swoop in and save your snowy companion with a swig of liquid melancholy?
Nope, all Noman healing options require Noman's Friend 1+.
ALSO. It seems smart to keep the Noman price watch in my main post as opposed to here:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21014-christmas-in-the-neath-a-guide.aspx?Page=33#post126127
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1/20/2016
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
Yep, all the trickery one could get up to has been patched out.
Well first I had requested it get patched via bug report. Then it didn't get patched. So I announced plans to do it, (long after it was no longer relevant to my grind) just to show it could be done. Then I did it. Then I explained to everyone how to do it. Then I encouraged people to do it.
And then it got patched.
That's not to say I played any role in it actually getting patched, as who knows maybe it was planned to be fixed all along. But in any case, the card exploit was a glaring giant loophole that threatened the integrity of the noman grind, and one which was easily fixed by adding a Noman's Friend 1+ requirement to a single story branch. So I am glad it did in fact get fixed whatever the reason.
I dunno. It just bugs me whenever there is a big problem or break that goes unnoticed and unfixed for a long time even when reported. That's why I believe in structured and gradual escalation, in a friendly way, as a means to effect positive change especially when it comes backed by community support and involvement.
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Parelle wrote:
Go Sir Joseph and Colin! I didn't recommend you rascals to Slowcake for nothing!
Right, caring. I used to remember why I did that...something about Empathy...Blasted Soullessness! Well lads, best of luck for Fame and Glory and something like that!
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1/20/2016
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Yeah, I wept gently when I heard the cost of that tattoo last year.
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1/23/2016
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The Noman is now priced at 15 ToL and 1 Pulsating Amber.
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Well, I sent Support a message yesterday and am waiting on a response.
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Toran
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2/16/2016
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That did seem to be the requirement for the gant tattoo - already having two others. Basically ensuring you can always get one of your Noman, even if it's just a memento. Which I think is superclassy of Failbetter.
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Toran
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2/15/2016
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I have a big problem. I went into the parlor and decided to check out the other option before getting my Noman tattoo. For some reason it locked me out of getting a private tattoo of the Noman. I don't usually complain, but this has to be an oversight and if not, it absolutely needs a warning and I'd like to have my choice option restored.
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2/15/2016
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That is what I fear for the isolated player.
Not the bragging rights but the "unfair" difficulty of it. That reachable goal, which was planned beforehand to be (just? barely?) reachable for the isolated player, is now further away and many of those isolated players loss the chance to achieve that high tier prize. They can read Wiki after all. I said before, I do not know how many non-forum players are out there, but I suspect they are the majority. And if that is so.. it is problematic to chance the bar due to actions of the community (which is the loudest part of the players, sometimes falsely makes us believe it is the majority, because of that trait).
I have no answer how to balance the two, though I think some prizes SHOULD be exclusive and "community protected". (But I DO very much enjoy collaborating with the community and achieving those prizes). That is only my view of things, of course.
Cider and Heptagoats are protected as such, with a high echo price. Crude, but effective. Though not seasonal material.
Noman was also that, until some blessed souls (no cynicism) released a guide to help the community.
Like I always say - Fallen Londoners: always try to cheat the system. Cannot trust us with anything =)
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Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
In all reality, you still have a shot. They reduced how much is taken with Time the Healer. Plus you only have to hold out until Feb. 15th, when Lilac finally shows up, so that's good. Depending on when TtH comes for you, how much you can boost you Noman's Friend with last minute Tears of the Bazaar and getting some back from support (all that may not be necessary, but why chance it?), and solely based on luck just how much of the quality you lose each week, your odds don't actually look that bad. Don't give up yet, friend!
I didn't know Lilac's date was announced at all (very, very busy week) - thank you for all the info and for cheering me up, Sir Joseph!
So that means my Noman only has one last TtH to survive, next Friday, and hopefully, next week's cap will be below 144. Which sounds reasonable, I guess? I'd rather not have to engage in emergency Tear/Notability-grinding.
Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
I don't know how much it will help, but Chris (one of the developers) said that you could email Failbetter support with a request to restore some of your Noman's Friend quality. They raised mine back up by roughly 30 points, give or take. Blasted memory always fails me when I need it.
I guess that depends on when your TtH was, though - I had a loss of above 70 already after the devs decided to proceed with the adjustment. So that's probably intended behaviour, and here's hope, again, that next week won't be too rough. It would be silly to fall so short of the goal.
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