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The cave of the nadir?

Nanako Posts: 536 1/16/2016	I've just completed the expedition to reach this cave, so now i can open it, possibly. The options for doing so are expensive, but i'm sure i'll manage. I've heard that upgrading at least one item is possible in there, i'm assuming more. I'd like some advice on this. Can you please tell me as much as possible about the mechanics of the cave, what i can do in there, what i should bring in with me in order to utilize every possible option, and will i be able to return there? While also telling me as little as possible about the story and lore of the place, because i'd not like that spoiled. -- Sunless Skies needs engine and speed control mechanics. Have a look at my design proposal for implementing it http://community.failbettergames.com/topic25687-a-design-for-engines.aspx
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Màiread Posts: 385 1/16/2016	The cave of the Nadir works entirely through opportunity cards. All of them are non-discardable, so it's best to go in with a 5-card lodging if you can, as this will enable you to 'bank' bad cards. Each card will offer you various options, which generally give some items/stats and one or two points of irrigo, which is the Nadir's menace quality. When you leave the Nadir, your base stats will lower, taking more damage the higher your irrigo. At 10 irrigo, you'll be forcibly removed from the cave and take extra stat damage, so your goal is to maximise your gains before getting kicked out. Having nightmares adds some bad cards to the deck, so it's best to go in with none. You'll also want to take some second chances, as these are swapped for expensive goodies on 'the end of battles' card. The items you can upgrade are parabola linen frock/suit, spider silk slippers, the neathglass goggles and devious henchman. You may also want totals one blackmail material, some identities uncovered and 5 diaries of the dead. You don't need to take everything on your first trip though! Once a week TTH will remove your irrigo and you can return to the cave. You can also clear your irrigo with fate to return more often. edited by Màiread on 1/16/2016 -- Màiread - Correspondent, composer, lover of cats. Can probably bake you a d__n fine cake. Useful Links: Traveller's Friend (Progress Tracker & Notability Calculator) \| phryne's Guide to Favours & Renown \| Peggy the Nowoman lived to see the Feast. Thank you for the memories, Snow Lady. I'm happy to accept most social actions except for lethal sparring and loitering suspiciously. Please challenge my plant! Currently not accepting calling cards.
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Nanako Posts: 536 1/16/2016	Màiread wrote: The cave of the Nadir works entirely through opportunity cards. All of them are non-discardable, so it's best to go in with a 5-card lodging if you can, as this will enable you to 'bank' bad cards. wait, what? 5-card lodging? All the highest tier, ridiculously expensive stuff at the bazaar are 4 cards. where the heck do i get a 5 card lodging -- Sunless Skies needs engine and speed control mechanics. Have a look at my design proposal for implementing it http://community.failbettergames.com/topic25687-a-design-for-engines.aspx
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dov Posts: 2580 1/16/2016	Nanako wrote: wait, what? 5-card lodging? All the highest tier, ridiculously expensive stuff at the bazaar are 4 cards. where the heck do i get a 5 card lodging You get 5-card lodgings by having one of the 3 4-card lodgings, and upgrading it. The (extremely) expensive way to upgrade such a 4-card lodgings into the 5-card version is available through the relevant lodgings card. The cheap way to do this upgrade is available once a year only during Christmas (i.e. Right Now!), via Penstock's Wicket (it does costs Taste of Lacre and some Notability, though). If you have any of the 4-card lodgings (or a way to get them quickly), and have the needed amount of Taste of Lacre (or Pails of Snow) and Notability, upgrade to 5-card lodgings right now. This is a once-in-a-year opportunity. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Màiread Posts: 385 1/16/2016	Wow, I am having bad luck with my phone today - just deleted my reply. Thanks dov! edited by Màiread on 1/16/2016 -- Màiread - Correspondent, composer, lover of cats. Can probably bake you a d__n fine cake. Useful Links: Traveller's Friend (Progress Tracker & Notability Calculator) \| phryne's Guide to Favours & Renown \| Peggy the Nowoman lived to see the Feast. Thank you for the memories, Snow Lady. I'm happy to accept most social actions except for lethal sparring and loitering suspiciously. Please challenge my plant! Currently not accepting calling cards.
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dov Posts: 2580 1/16/2016	Also: The "regular" 4 card lodgings are indeed very expensive at the Bazaar. However, all of them has a cheaper way to buy: Premises at the Bazaar: with 50 x Bazaar Permit, in the Bazaar Side-Streets. A Room at the Royal Beth: 50 x Antique Mystery, via the Merry Gentleman card. A room at the Brass Embassy: 100 x Muscaria brandy, 500 x Brilliant Souls, 1 x Brass Ring, Connected Hell 50, and being an Intimate of Devils, via the devils' Burning Shadows card. All of the needed materials (which, as I said, are overall cheaper than buying the lodgings via the Bazaar), can be farmed efficiently via Thefts of Particular Character in the Flit (preferable by using a Gang of Hoodlum and high Shadowy, but even if not, any POSI can safely grind Casing). The Brass Embasy is even cheaper than the others in terms of materials, but requires the Intimate of Devils quality (easy to get, unless you soul is stained), and the Hell connections (get to 20 with the Bright Brass Skull, and then it can take some time playing conflict cards, but can also be farmed using Casing in the Flit by Selling Information to devils). Good luck - if any are within reach, and you have 3 Notability and the needed 7/8/9 Taste of Lacre, get one and upgrade it before the Wicket closes. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Nanako Posts: 536 1/16/2016	Màiread wrote: Once a week TTH will remove your irrigo and you can return to the cave. You can also clear your irrigo with fate to return more often. edited by Màiread on 1/16/2016 so once i've opened it, i can go back once a week? is there any cost to that? do i have to pay to open it again? -- Sunless Skies needs engine and speed control mechanics. Have a look at my design proposal for implementing it http://community.failbettergames.com/topic25687-a-design-for-engines.aspx
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Nanako Posts: 536 1/16/2016	I read in another thread, that the cave can upgrade Hushed Spidersilk Slippers into an enhanced version, so i'm assuming i'll want to take some of those in. But what else? Are there any other upgradeable items that i should bring in with me? I'd appreciate a full list of stuff that can be upgraded there, or that is needed as a cost to take certain options, so i can prepare my inventory appropriately -- Sunless Skies needs engine and speed control mechanics. Have a look at my design proposal for implementing it http://community.failbettergames.com/topic25687-a-design-for-engines.aspx
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dov Posts: 2580 1/16/2016	The complete guide on the Nadir is here. It has no story spoilers, but is full with all mechanics spoilers (i.e. what items you can get, what cards to look out for etc.) If you don't want to be spoiled to much on mechanics, here's just the list of things which can be upgraded in the Nadir: One time only upgrade (i.e. can't have more than one of the upgraded item): Parabola-Linen Frock Parabola-Linen Suit Pair of Hushed Spidersilk Nodule of Warm Amber Devious Henchman Multiple upgrades possible: Cryptic Clue Journal of Infamy Since everything in the Nadir is card based, it's possible to not encounter the card you need in any given visit. Don't worry - you'll be able to return weekly (once Time the Healer gives you a way to clear your Irrigo from your last visit), at no additional cost (other than spending 3 actions). Practically anything you do in the Nadir gives you Irrigo (usually 1 or 2 points) - when it hits ten you'll be forced out. But notice the higher your Irrigo is when you leave, the larger is the hit to your main stats. (roughly, until Irrigo 5 the stat loss is negligible, from 6-9 it's annoying, and if you've reached 10 and was forced out it's painful). edited by dov on 1/16/2016 -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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genesis Posts: 924 1/16/2016	Mairead gave a mostly comprehensive list: Mairead wrote: The items you can upgrade are parabola linen frock/suit, spider silk slippers, the neathglass goggles and devious henchman. You may also want totals one blackmail material, some identities uncovered and 5 diaries of the dead. Otherwise, this is a very thorough guide: http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Cave_of_the_Nadir_(Guide) -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Charlotte_de_Witte Posts: 360 1/16/2016	Another thing to think about right now: - You can exchange 7 Tastes of Lacre for 1 Tears of the Bazaar in the Nadir. (if you draw the right card.) So it is one good way to spend extra buckets if you have them before they melt (but obviously get everything you want from Penstock's first ) ToL itself won't melt, only the buckets, so you may just want to keep it - either for next Sacksmas or if you want to get the 3 ToL Penstock's Wicket Tattoo at the coming Feast of the Rose - (which is no better than any other tattoo really, but you might?) edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 1/16/2016 -- "Do one thing for me, Sredni Vashtar." Social actions welcome. Only, send me dupes if you need help with the Affluent Photographer please, I like the bats! [And boxed kitties, and extreme gardening]- Thank-you! http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Charlotte%20de%20Witte
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Nanako Posts: 536 1/16/2016	dov wrote: If you have any of the 4-card lodgings (or a way to get them quickly), and have the needed amount of Taste of Lacre (or Pails of Snow) and Notability, upgrade to 5-card lodgings right now. This is a once-in-a-year opportunity. I don't have enough Taste of Lacre to get into penstock's wicket And from what i've read, it's not possible for me to get anymore this year. am i mistaken? -- Sunless Skies needs engine and speed control mechanics. Have a look at my design proposal for implementing it http://community.failbettergames.com/topic25687-a-design-for-engines.aspx
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RandomWalker Posts: 948 1/16/2016	If you have a bucket of so-called snow, then you can use that to boost your taste, but unless you have a monocle and are a Scholar of the Correspondence and actually have four taste, then you probably won't be able to get enough taste to be able to afford a five-card lodging. If you don't have a pail, and yet still have at least one point then you could still technically do it. I'm not sure if the urchins are still selling snow, but if they are then you'd be able to buy some from them. Additionally you could huff tears of the bazaar and increase your taste that way. While not impossible, it would be very hard, and require a lot of luck, to do from your current position. If you have no taste at all, you're out of luck for this year. Thinking about it, the notability requirement will be much more of an obstacle than getting the taste of lacre, and that's saying something. You're a new POSI, so you won't have much BDR right now. Getting the notability you need would take too long, I'm sure. edited by RandomWalker on 1/16/2016
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genesis Posts: 924 1/16/2016	RandomWalker wrote: I'm not sure if the urchins are still selling snow They are -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Parelle Posts: 1084 1/16/2016	genesis wrote: RandomWalker wrote: I'm not sure if the urchins are still selling snow They are But you need ToL 1 to buy it. -- Parelle, Lady Joseph Marlen. The Singular Librarian. A Midnighter, a Player of the Marvelous. pages from a dusty bookshop: a badly updated FL changelog \| Useful Guidance and Explanations
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Guest 1/17/2016	As Dov noted before, use this guide on entering and returning once a week (or 50 fate, or an Advent/Mr. Sacks possible reset option to return earlier.) A correction to Màiread's somewhat misleading advice on Nightmares and the Cave. This can get a tiny bit confusing, so if ever lost, just look at the Cade of the Nadir Opportunity Deck Cards : Nightmares in the cave of the Nadir are not a menace-card-drawing trigger, but can be a bad card option for the price if you don't have the right qualities. To understand why, we need to look at remembering Dreams and spending Dreams is the equivalent of forgetting things. Nightmares trigger remembering Dreams you have when in the Cave of the Nadir. Just like any other cards drawn when in that location, there isn't any guarantee what you'll randomly draw, just that all drawn cards can't be discarded. The higher the Nightmares, the more types of Dream cards you can unlock. So at 2 Nightmares, it unlocks A Waking Dream of Reflections associated with the Dream Is Someone There?, Nightmares 4 unlocks the previous card and A Waking Dream of Motion associated with the Dream A Game of Chess and Nightmares 6 unlocks both other Nadir Dream cards and A Waking Dream of Water associated with the Dream Death by Water. (Each Cave of the Nadir drawn card has an associated outside Dream quality.) If you have the (associated) dream quality at Rank 4 or higher, you can cash in 10 Change Points (or CP) for a reward for recalling something from that dream. A Waking Dream of Reflections rewards 1 Direful Reflection for -10 CP of Is Someone There?. A Waking Dream of Motion rewards 1 Blackmail Material for -10 CP of A Game of Chess. And A Waking Dream of Water rewards the highly valuable Favour in High Places for -10 CP of Death by Water. Besides a few options when drawing the (regular Fallen London outside the cave) The Interpreter of Dreams, those Dream values are almost never used and are an excellent way to cash in. Now, here is where it gets a little tricky. Again, see Nadir Opportunity Deck Cards if confused. If you are below rank 4 on any Dreams and have the Nightmares quality high enough, you still can draw the card, but the only option to remove the card now is (on all three of them as your only option if you don't qualify for that other option, but the other option is always available should you have enough ranks on its associated dream,) is Run. On any card that you do not have the associated dream value, Run gives 2 irrigo, +1 CP Nightmares and 1 Appalling Secret. So what you need to do before you enter the Cave of the Nadir is check your Dreams qualities under the Myself tab-Dreams, and see of those three Dreams qualities ( Is Someone There?, A Game of Chess, Death by Water; ) if any qualify so you raise your Nightmares accordingly. If only Is Someone There? is Rank 4+, it's easy to keep Nightmares 2 and cash in with Dire reflections at 10 cp per on A Waking Dream of Reflections. If only A Game of Chess is rank 4+, it's still worth it to draw A Waking Dream of Motion for the Blackmail Material. If only Death by Water the highest is rank 4+, then you have to decide if it's worth getting Nightmares up to 6 Total and risking the other Dream cards drawn there for potential Favours in High Places. if you have two or more qualifying, then it's almost always worth taking the hit if you have Irrigo ranks to spare. If you gambled on it anyway when you thought it would work , and it didn't, bank the card and play others when you can, or play it as "the best of a bad hand" option and keep drawing other cards for other Cave things until you are at irrigo 9 or as close as you can get. The best way to get to Nightmares 6 is done by immediately getting Nightmares to 5 just before entering the Cave of the Nadir and wearing a Sporing Bonnet when you draw cards in there, but using other head-slot gear when resolving skill checks themselves of course. This means you can not worry about drawing a Merry gentleman Nightmares 5+ card and get nightmares to 5 (when applicable) only just before entering the Cave. Just remember to remove the hat before exiting so you don't get stuck with an extra rank of Nightmares not removed at the exit. (See below.) Raising Nightmares that high deliberately is quickest done by playing the Intimate of Devils cards and continuously getting Dinner with Devils to Unaccountably Peckish 2, then at the Shuttered Palace at An evening at the Duchess' salon, go and Attend and speak of...terrible things. You must watch Scandal with this and it locks at Unaccountably Peckish Rank 6. The other option for quick gain is finding or having mailed to you a Starveing cat and call to it: 'Here, puss puss puss.' This option you need to monitor Wounds. One unreliable but other way is in the Nadir itself. The Catafalquerie card has A casket marked with a familiar name which doubles your Nightmares from its current rate (and gives you Extraordinary Implications randomly from 1 to your new Nightmares level.) It's best done when you have all dream qualities at 4+ ranks. All Nightmares go down by at least several Ranks (or to 1 if Irrigo is 6+, or an additional CP before the several ranks, at the cost of losing 50 CP to all your Stats should you get to Irrigo 10; ) when you leave the Nadir, so it's easy to remove Nightmares no matter how high you get before entering the Cave. Also, you lose 10 CP of all dream qualities when you go Insane and go to the Royal Beth Hotel; or you lose (this dream quality only) 10 CP of Is Someone There? when you go Insane and go to the Mirror Marches because you have a Memory of Light when you hit Nightmares 8. I hope this reply helped, and feel free to ask me about anything that is confusing here, in PM, or in game if need be. edited by the truthseeker on 1/17/2016
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Polite Society Posts: 25 12/9/2017	I'm working up to find this mysterious place. Got me ray drenched cinder all ready to go. What I was wondering was whether there was anything nasty like when taking stat drops from visiting it detracts from your total possible - I heard 200 is the max stat, so if I lost say 1 via the Nadir, would I then be limited to maxing at 199? -- Absolute gentle person and in no way associated with anything nefarious or villainous of any measure. Absolutely not. Anyone saying so will have a quiet chat with Big 'Arry n'the lads.
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dov Posts: 2580 12/9/2017	Polite Society wrote: I'm working up to find this mysterious place. Got me ray drenched cinder all ready to go. What I was wondering was whether there was anything nasty like when taking stat drops from visiting it detracts from your total possible - I heard 200 is the max stat, so if I lost say 1 via the Nadir, would I then be limited to maxing at 199? The cap remains at 200. You'll just lost some CP in all stats (how many CP depended on how long you'll stay in the cave). Usually it's no big deal. But notice that if you've overcapped your stats using Notability (e.g. to 215) the stats will still drop and you won't be able to raise them again without sacrificing Notability, again. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Polite Society Posts: 25 12/9/2017	Many thanks, good to know -- Absolute gentle person and in no way associated with anything nefarious or villainous of any measure. Absolutely not. Anyone saying so will have a quiet chat with Big 'Arry n'the lads.
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