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Optimatum wrote:
Nanako wrote:
i really don't see the point in the relickers.
Even accumulating scrap naturally as people claim to be doing, doesn't make sense, because IIRC you only get scrap from lodgings opportunity cards, and you tend to get little or nothing else from those so i tend to just discard them.
Plus, the scrap prices those relickers charge, are far too high for the items they offer, and the difficulty of obtaining scrap.
How much do the upper tier lodgings offer? Maybe it's worthwhile then. right now the whole scrap game seems like a complete waste of my actions, and i choose to ignore it entirely
The relickers charge quite reasonable prices, though it's only worth buying from them for the rarer items. Scrap sells for half an echo so each transaction costs about twice the item's echo cost in scraps. The Steamer three-card lodgings gives two scraps and the four-card ones give 3-4 on a challenge success. Scraps can also be obtained from the Sulky Bat's card, trading in favors with the Urchins, and several fate-locked story unlocks.
Nanako, I realize you've only registered for a little less than a year, so you may lack the long-term insight into this, but these scraps are meant to be collected for months if not years. Ask the players who have played for years to confirm this. Eventually, using the tips in this reply above, and the other replies I have reposted below (you should really re-read) you amass thousands of scrap. Multiple times. This is one main reason you gain more than one four-card lodging. It adds up quickly. And the urchin's 20 Scraps and 1-215 Bundle is amazing as well/can also help the soulless get their soul back.
Now, whether you debate using them to do end-game stuff like collect all the top tier items from each Rellicer or buy Five-card Lodgings when it's not Christmas to complete your set or spend "only a few hundred" to pick up the still-rare Whisper Satin Scraps or even the lesser items offered, that's a debate every player eventually has. But not ones just starting out. Again, gambling with scraps should be when you have close to if not four-digits in value and should use the rule of long averages discussed putting it slightly ahead, if ever used.
If any of you are using luck checks as a primary method of generation instead of Urchins and 4-card Lodgings, the you're not doing it correctly.
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the truthseeker wrote:
sebastian olmen wrote:
I believe if you run the numbers the relickers come out as equivalent to a low level house (20 extra/-18 comes to 2 extra but only half the time so that's 1 scrap per use). It's not good but it can give you that little kick to get over the line and it adds four more scrap cards to your deck. But yes the urchins are far better.
As noted, it really only evens out to that after hundreds to 1000+ attempts though. Don't bank on it like a 1 scrap card either.
lady ciel wrote:
I always play the Relicker cards and I have got all 4 top tier items from them, and enough scraps to get another if I wanted. But I have been playing for years, also get scraps from the lodging cards and my sulky bat.
Now I have all the items I do sometimes gamble on the menace option on the cards and if there is an alternative use that option on the lodging cards.
I do understand that it can be really dispiriting to watch your scraps dwindle rapidly but, in the long run, you will probably come out ahead.
navchaa wrote:
I'd also not gamble on scraps until there's a nice pile of at least 1000 of them. Otherwise the losses are far too painful. I also gamble on an armful of scraps (10) rather than a double armful as I'd read somewhere that the long term odds give you slightly more for that option.
Also, calling in favours from the urchins will not only give you 20 scraps, but also a bundle of oddities. I once scored scraps in the bundle too, so it was a good boost all at one go.
I typically camp in the Flit just to draw that card. Aside from the urchins, calling in favours from the revolutionaries gives 720 proscribed material, possibly one of the highest value rewards in the game.
And my favourite relicker is the Curt Relicker, mainly because of a fate-locked option on his card 
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Ixc
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9/2/2017
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I am currently grinding for a Rumourmonger's Network (only 30 scraps left!)
So I'm spending A LOT of time with the Relickers. I do like them, but I do wonder why I can't knock them with a stick and rob them blind, then sell them their own wares.
Edit: I finally got the Rumourmonger's Network! But I'm still going to try the "robbing blind" approach.
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Koenig
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9/2/2017
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I do wish there was a more reliable (and grindable) way to gather larger sums of scraps. I tend to average around 5-10 per day, which means I will need to play the game for roughly 4-6 years before I will ever have enough to own all the 3200 items.
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Kukapetal
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9/2/2017
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At least you'll always have something to work for!
*dodges tomatoes* :P
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Koenig
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9/2/2017
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Kukapetal wrote:
At least you'll always have something to work for!
*dodges tomatoes* :P
Where in the Neath would I get Tomato's to throw at you? More importantly if I did have such a delicacy I certainly would not waste them to throw at people I disagree with. No, I am afraid you will have to make do with Mushrooms.
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Tozh Taurog
Posts: 114
9/3/2017
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I'm not a gambler in general, so after the first attempt (failed of course) I never tried to recertify any scraps - just collected them from lodgings and bats. I didn't know about the Flit option, and I was collecting connections anyway. I've been playing for almost exactly a year, and I recently got a Breath of the Void. For something that is just happening in the background, it's not a bad deal. I like collecting unusual items.
My favorite is the Capering Relicker, definitely. Because of the gifts he brings for "someone's coming", and his pleasant disposition. And cherries - I did gamble for cherries a few times.
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Ragnar Degenhand
Posts: 197
9/4/2017
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I always gamble for cherries. Success seems to me way better than fifty per cent, certainly to go by my tidy little stash!
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Tyrconnell
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9/4/2017
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Optimatum wrote:
Scrap sells for half an echo so each transaction costs about twice the item's echo cost in scraps.
Scrap can't be sold at all at the Bazaar. The only way to turn a profit from it is to exchange it with relickers. The top-tier items actually don't have the best return in terms of echoes per scrap if you sell the items to the Bazaar, although that doesn't account for the fact that any other way to spend 3200 echoes is a lot more actions.
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xKiv
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9/4/2017
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Tyrconnell wrote:
The top-tier items actually don't have the best return in terms of echoes per scrap if you sell the items to the Bazaar,
Where are you getting that?
Looking at capering, not accounting for the 1 action spent taking the action:
location: 1560e/3200scrap = 0.4875 e/scrap
coruscating: 312.5e/680scrap = 0.4595588 e/scrap
skull: 60e/160 scrap = 0.375 e/scrap
rings: 37.5e/120 scrap = 0.3125 e/scrap
brandy (50% of 20 brandy, 50% of 5 brandy): 31.25e/100 scrap = 0.3125 e/scrap
brilliant: (probably something likr 49% of 42 souls, 1% of 42 souls and 1 muscaria, 50% of 10 souls): 13.025e/30 scrap = 0.4341666 e/scrap
sherry (50% of 80, 50% of 20): 5e/15 scrap = 0.333 e/scrap
blandsoul: (100 or 25): 1.25e/5 scrap = 0.25 e/scrap
The other relickers relish relics at pretty much the same rates.
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Tyrconnell
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9/4/2017
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I miscalculated by leaving out the chance of being unlucky. Never mind!
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Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1789
9/8/2017
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I never re-certify. Five card lodgings and favors: urchins at the Flit, mean I get the 680 required for the 365 echo items every month. This makes scraps it a rather profitable albeit long-term grind. Now, if you need the higher items for collecting purposes then yes, it will become frustrating, otherwise get the lodgings, camp in the Flit and the rest will follow!
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Catherine Raymond
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9/9/2017
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Neither I nor my character is a snob. But the truth is that I don't like any of the Relickers; they are too wrapped up in themselves and their work. What I do love is their Rattus Faber companions. Every last one of them: Mathilde, Montgomery, and I forget the names of the other two, right now.
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