NiteBrite
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To help refine my noman guide for next year, I would like to collect a large pool of data regarding nomans friend loss with regards to time the healer.
How you can help: if you have a noman, please post your value of nomans friend loss here each time time the healer arrives for you. Please also note the date when your time occurred as I suspect the losses increase over time. Thank you for participating, your efforts are helping to build a better future of informed neathy citizens :-)
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Màiread
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
Hi all.
Nomen's lives are beautiful but brief - it's sad, but integral to the intent of this content. Acquiring a Noman tattoo is intended to be one of FL's most challenging achievements. Inevitably, as people gather more data and develop more efficient strategies, the achievement gets easier. We want to preserve its prestige, so each year we look at the data and increase the rate of Noman decay accordingly.
I'm afraid I really feel that this has been handled extremely badly. I don't object to your making the challenge harder - it's not a design decision I necessarily agree with, as I think a stat-capped player spending upwards of six months of solid grinding is more than demanding enough, but changing such things is your perogative and I can quite understand not wanting this to become 'gamed'. However, there was ample opportunity to inform us of this *before* it became extremely difficult to salvage what we had already spent. I'm not even talking about imaginary currency here - I mean all the time and energy we've invested. You could still have kept the mystery! All that had to be done was for someone to pop into the thread or send out a tweet and say 'Hey guys, Nomen might be a little more melty this year, so watch out'. Then we could have enjoyed banding together, guessing how much we'd need to stockpile - there would have been scaredy cats, like me, gathering as much stuff as they could, and super cool risk takers who made it by the skin of their teeth. THAT would have been fun. As it is, the experience has been massively soured - especially as I did have time to grind more resources, and would absolutely have done so if we'd been warned. The change hasn't made me feel that my Noman is more precious, or done anything to enhance the story - all it does is bring the mechanical aspect of the game to the fore, and makes me feel a lot less involved in the narrative than I did before. The Noman story was hands down one of my favourite bits of FL writing - it was the pleasure I took in it last Christmas which prompted me to go for the tattoo this year. Now it just feels like an arbitrary numbers game, and one I'll only fail because the goalposts were moved after the starting pistol was fired. Even if you'd let us know in January we could have scrambled to recover - a last minute rush to grind to the finish, with all the pleasure and fun of brinkmanship.
I appreciate that you don't want this achievement to become easy. But as I say, I'm not sure how spending half a year grinding can be considered easy. More importantly, though, I hope you will also recognise that a massive part of the fun of a challenge like this is doing it with other people - helping them, cheering them on, planning out strategies together, sharing experiences. That, for me, has been the real joy of it - helping new players to grab their first lodgings, sharing tips with other people going for a tattoo of their own, and that has a much higher value to me than some exclusive badge.
I'm not a person who 'grinds'. I've never cared about achievements, or accumulating vast treasure troves of digital wealth. I don't think I have ever got 100% in a game. But I cared about the Noman. I cared enough to spend six months clicking the same buttons over and over, I cared enough to get up early and sometimes even in the middle of the night. I didn't do that because I wanted to nab a shiny badge that no one else could get or brag about it on the forums - I did it because the story was meaningful to me. I think it's a shame that this emotional investment seems to have been given a lower value than prestige. I would have ploughed everything I had into this, but I wasn't given the choice.
Anyway, 99% I genuinely think the FL team is one of the best out there, and how you treat your community of players is a big part of that. I just think the way this was handled was a mistake - it's alienating, and that's a real shame when so many of us were feeling so engaged by the process of going for this together.
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I've been reading the responses in this thread closely. I understand people's disgruntlement - the terms of the content weren't clear and we should have communicated them better.
What's unusual in this case is that we did exactly the same process last year, without causing any distress. It's worth reiterating the point that Fallen London is a living game. We make changes to content constantly - in response to bug reports and exploits, to bring old content in line with new, to balance the economy, and in preparation for upcoming content. What happened last year might not be the same this year. This goes double for festivals; you can expect Hallowmas, at least, to be significantly different this year.
If you have specific questions about upcoming content, ask on the forums. We won't always be able to answer - and sometimes when we do, the answer will be "we don't know yet" - but when we can, we will. We'll always be as honest as we can, while being mega-busy writing new content for you to enjoy.
All that said, in this instance, we're going to do the following:
1. Reduce the Time, the Healer reduction of Noman's Friend.
2. If you've been affected by the larger reduction since Monday, and care, drop us a support request and we'll restore the difference in Noman's Friend.
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NiteBrite
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2/2/2016
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I just wanted to add, if anyone needs some help gathering tears to adjust their noman, hit me up in a forums private message and I'll do my best to see you are given every aid possible. I kind of got us into this mess, and I will do my best to take responsibility for it.
We've come too far to give up without a fight and I have a mad plan.
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Erika
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
Hi all.
Nomen's lives are beautiful but brief - it's sad, but integral to the intent of this content. Acquiring a Noman tattoo is intended to be one of FL's most challenging achievements. Inevitably, as people gather more data and develop more efficient strategies, the achievement gets easier. We want to preserve its prestige, so each year we look at the data and increase the rate of Noman decay accordingly.
I understand the challenge, but that's a little unfair, some warning would have been nice. If there was a slow increase in loss of Noman's Friend, that would have been adequate. As is, I'm under prepared because the change was so abrupt, suddenly 2550 liquified echoes of mine are at the mercy of the RNG. I've been grinding this for the last 6 or so months. Possibly longer.
If I had had some indication of this prior to the TtH warning about pails melting, I wouldn't have bought my remaining lodgings and dumped the rest into the Stolen River just to see some mechanical information.
Mind, it's not like I under prepared. In fact, I was one of the most prepared for this. But this sudden change isn't okay. I might be able to scrape out of this mess by straight up feeding the 17 Tears of the Bazaar I have left.
Nevermind the inordinate amount of echoes that is (or the poor 5/7 ratio converting Cellars to Airag), that's also 28 Fate as 4 of those were from A Gallery of Serpents. I was hoping to get this tattoo without dipping into fate. And that still might not be enough considering that I might get a mere 1 x Noman's Friend per Tear of the Bazaar.
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I must agree with Cecil.
I do understand the need to keep this challenging. All for it. It IS a unique achievement and you should keep it for the few who accomplish it with labor and determination.
However, sampling data AFTER people had their stock of buckets and tears (of course, you could not have that data beforehand) and raising the challenge accordingly makes it impossible to adjust. The tears have already been bought. So does the pales. NOW what can the players do about it? Nothing, I believe. They cannot grind harder now, cannot dedicate every action to this Noman because nothing can BE done at this point. That is not a challenge. It is just a boundary, discovered after investing so much time (and for some, Fate). If the players were to know this 4 months ago - THEN you could test their devotion. Right now they are helpless and cannot influence the result what so ever.
Hope I made my argument clear.
Thank you for listening.
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NiteBrite
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2/2/2016
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To escape a lion you don't have to run faster than the lion, rather you only have to run faster than your friends. Am I right to interpret Chris's statement as they have bell curved the noman grind? Like, it's not set to impossible for everyone, just for most. Or did they go too far I wonder.
I guess if that's the case, this would make the noman tattoo more of a lottery system than proof of any effort or achievement.
Keep submitting data here folks. While we know now that it's a moving target, the data is more critical now than it was before. We need to set next year's baseline if we are to guess at the increase. This is one arms race I don't intend to lose.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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The Noman tattoo is, as many have stated, bigger than just a trophy for bragging rights. It's a social undertaking that involves the entire community as we writhe our grubby little hands, dripping in lacre and callus from the constant trade of wines from hand to hand. Each of us schemes with one another with our plans to last the longest and how we plan to do so as we more or less geek out over the shared giddiness of the grind and the sheer ridiculousness of a task for something by some to be no more impressive than just another tattoo. The Noman tattoo is a grand feet that involves subscribing yourself to countless weeks and thousands upon thousands of echoes worth of wines and wild words and connections to small urchin children alike. It takes some, myself included, around half a year to throw so much into such a challenging task for no other reason than we felt like trying to get it. The story of the Noman means so much to so many. In some ways, it embodies much of FL's overarching story: an obsession of love and loss as one goes to self-destructive feets to preserve that which can only delay the inevitable, going to whatever ungodly lengths one desires out of selfishness and sympathy to do that which cannot and possibly should not be done, and yet is done all the same.
This is why it hurts so much to see so little care being put into the maintenance of this story. I understand that things will change and that we shouldn't put all our chips into something we were never promised or fully detailed to us. We'll do it regardless, but we at least then we have no one to blame but ourselves if things don't go our way. The issue arises when you make such a drastic change not even before the point of no return but days after the fact when you had just given warnings to the melting of lacre. All that had to be done was to inform us, just the slightest hint that things will increase or that the Nomen will be melting faster. It didn't even have to be months from now when people were already building up their lacre reserves and planning ahead of an already unstable grinding plan. All we needed was a hint of something just weeks ago. Sure, our schedules would have been completely thrown off and our plans within plans would have to be rewritten haphazardly, but at least then we wouldn't have been caught off guard like this. We at least would have had a chance to regroup and plan out a new strategy. There was no hint that things would be different as the weeks passed on. People saw no change in how much Noman's Friend could be lost and as such used up what supplies they had left. Now, with seemingly no regard for the time, hardship, and real world money spent by many (again, myself included) that have gone into all this, you've changed the rules without any warning. This is a grind on par with that of an Overgoat or even Ubergoat depending on how much you sunk into this. Half a year's worth of effort and resources isn't something that can be so easily jeopardized without any indication of the fact without at least giving the dedicated players the smallest of chances to recoup before the lacre has melted or we've been giving no indication of a change to the point that players thought it safe to throw their goods into other pursuits and may have wasted so much on a goal that they won't be able to achieve now for little if no fault of their own.
By all means, make this a task based more heavily on luck along with skill and preparation. Create more mystery and difficulty into the grind. Make it as difficult as you want so that it is both a badge of honor and a symbol of determination for the community to flock under as one bonded group. But there is an issue in changing your own perceivable rules when giving no alteration of plans to such an arduous task when we aren't even given the chance to prepare. It shows no concern for the players and the community itself when all you had to do is inform us in some form or fashion and yet we received none.
I still believe Failbetter to be one of the best game companies I've ever had the pleasure to encounter. But I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel hurt by this, like some trust had been betrayed. This entire experience has been soured for all of us like a slap to the face for all the sacrifice, both real and fictional, that has been so carelessly handled. Please, keep in mind how much this has taken of us and what this means to us, both statistically and from a story perspective. It feels like something so pure to the spirit of this game has been uncared for, and I hope you'll at least consider our perspective of the situation. Thank you for reading this, and I hope we can both come to an understanding in all this trouble.
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Also, thanks to NiteBrite for trying to do as much damage control as possible for us. It's nice to see someone with such a love of the game express a concern for others for no reason other than they needed some help. It means a lot to us, really.
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NiteBrite
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2/3/2016
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If any one needs emergency tears: use Presumptuous opportunity like this cheap stuff->giant-(convertin inventory)->Cellars->Airag->tears.
Also don't huff tears anymore, without pails once your taste is gone you are done. Use emergency tears on the noman directly unless its your last tear and you don't plan to get anymore.
If you need any assistance hit me up, I am here to help with all my might!
Edit: And please! Keep the data coming, it means so much to a lot of us.
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Gonen
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Sooo...
No Iron-noman marathon declaration on the forums next year.
Underground marathon, word of mouth invites only. No tigers and Clay Men allowed, etc.
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Parelle
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2/2/2016
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Yikes! How horrible for you all.
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i had a hunch that this would happen, which is why I ground a year for it and overbuffed my Noman. And I still might not make it long enough for the tattoo parlor, depending on how much more punishing it gets. NiteBrite stated that the loss in midMarch last year was 170, but we are already hitting 120.
I'm not a fan of making things harder just to ensure that only a couple people are lucky enough for a reward every year no matter the effort made, but that isn't my call. But for Salt's sake, please consider warning people before it's too late to use any but the most difficult and expensive option to attempt to salvage this next time you grade on the curve.
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Erika
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It's also worth pointing out that Pails can't be bought anymore.
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Màiread
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2/3/2016
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
All that said, in this instance, we're going to do the following:
1. Reduce the Time, the Healer reduction of Noman's Friend.
2. If you've been affected by the larger reduction since Monday, and care, drop us a support request and we'll restore the difference in Noman's Friend.
Thank you - a great big massive chocolate-covered ginger-sprinkled thank you. Thank you for listening to us and for understanding. It makes a massive difference to know that the community is heard, and it's one of the many reasons why I come back to FL day after day. I hope I was clear about how much I love the Noman story, and how excited I am to be able to see it through.
The story lives. Content grows, morphs, sprouts new and peculiar branches and outgrows its old pots. This dynamic world is what makes FL exciting - I for one can't wait to see the new Hallowmas! Up until this year, I wasn't very social within the game. But everyone working together to find ways through the new challenges the team cooks up has become my favourite part of the game. So thanks, again, both for what's passed and for all those delicious treats that have yet to come.
And now on to the data! TTH came for me an hour ago, and I lost 83 NMF. So, things are tougher than last year, but fingers crossed with a following wind we should be able to keep our chilly friends alive for a bit longer yet.
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NiteBrite
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May I make a request? I know we've been dealt a rough hand, but it's not something in our power to change. I'd prefer if we could keep this thread on topic of noman data and noman loss help. This discussion of FBGs intent and the changes is getting somewhat off-topic and it's getting a bit too much negativity for what I am comfortable with. How about instead, we ask is there anyone out there who is willing to help the tattoo grinders? The most common problem I am seeing is that generating waves for favorable circumstances just takes too long for solo players to have a chance. Anyone have suggestions? Maybe people could volunteer to be on dinner standby duty or N1 passing duty etc? Only like two people have asked for assistance so far, so I'm not even sure all this organization is quite necessary, but it feels good to know folks are out there ready and willing to assist if necessary.
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the_antichris
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Màiread wrote:
Wow, this is harsh. It seems particularly unkind to have changed the goalposts *after* it's too late for most of us to do anything about this
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I know we were advised not to plan too much on the basis of past years, but given that this takes months of grinding to prepare for...
Yeah. Is Alexis exploring the ludic narrative value of a sense of wasted effort? (There's also my undue attachment to pixels and text, but that's always been part of the Noman experience.)
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The people I feel sorry for are the people who want a noman tattoo next year, especially those who fall short this year.
How many resources are they going to have to waste to play it safe? Will FB boost the decay each year? Will they drop it next year, and then boost it the year after? How many thousands of echoes' of material do you have to over-shoot to be certain?
I had thought that the tattoo would be an indicator of strategic planning and a year-long focus towards the goal (or else the willingness to sink a boatload of Fate at the Gallery of Serpents). Instead it's an indicator of gambling and wastefulness.
I appreciate that FB probably have an excellent reason for changing the decay, but I'm too upset right now to see it as anything other than whimsy or spite.
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Gonen wrote:
Sooo...
No Iron-noman marathon declaration on the forums next year.
Underground marathon, word of mouth invites only. No tigers and Clay Men allowed, etc.
It's likely far easier for the FB team to get that data from a minute of looking in the database rather than trying to keep tabs on a forum thread. By all means, use the forum to collaborate.
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Lemexis wrote:
Why would anyone want to murder it as soon as possible ? The poor thing.
I'm doing it for the quirks -- they're much harder to come by in the range that the Noman's death provides, compared to the rarity of an Elemental Secret. And face it, the rest of you are either stuffing a Noman so it'll burst in a shower of 312.5 Echo riches like an Oaxacan treasure pot, or keeping it on extended life support so you can get a tattoo. (Maybe some fearless grinder out there is trying to keep it alive indefinitely -- if so, I salute your tearful grindiness.) A Noman's not Olaf the snowman from Frozen; there's no Snow Queen to create an eternal snow-cloud over its head, there's no happy ending. Let the slaughter of the Nomen continue. Only 6 to go.
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My Noman did not survive long enough to get a Secret, but his bonuses were just enough to allow me to pass the stat checks to become a POSI, so I derived great benefit from him. Now that he is gone, none of my stats are 100 or greater. Perhaps I should spend more money on equipment.
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You're inferring that the changes to rates were made after looking at what people did to prepare this year, rather than being scheduled before this year's event started; it seems to me that Chris's statement is consistent with either. Either way, players who've been working hard have my sympathies--it's difficult when you've had a lot of time and emotional energy invested in something--but the changes aren't necessarily directed at you individually and personally, as opposed to as a general class, if that helps.
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Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
Also, thanks to NiteBrite for trying to do as much damage control as possible for us. It's nice to see someone with such a love of the game express a concern for others for no reason other than they needed some help. It means a lot to us, really.
edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 2/3/2016
Hear! Hear!
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As one of the people who is going for a Noman tattoo, but one of the least prepared for it (*only* 18 pails of snow and 6 Tears), the last couple of days have been a bit of a ride. I accepted fairly early on that I may well not get the tattoo if rates of melting stayed at the elevated level; if they continued to increase I'd be sunk. That's okay: as I said, I was one of the least prepared, and if you're doing the Marathon des Sables then you shouldn't go into it half-heartedly. The call to arms for rapid Tears creation was a real boost, a geeing up from fellow runners, and I have spent much of today getting going on that. The idea of having the rest of the community do their best to help me was a great thought (one of you spent a whole candle of actions just sending me coffee!) and would have been a significant consolation: something you love has died, but your friends are there for you.
I am not so masochistic that I will now *want* my Noman to die before the Panopticon, but if it does it will be my fault and not through developer actions. I would like to thank Chris and the rest of the Failbetter team for their engagement and behaviour over all this; please don't feel you need to placate us always, but it is very nice to know that it happens occasionally. The gods do listen, and they can be merciful!
In many ways, the person I feel sorry for is NiteBrite, whose Noman's Friend data-gathering will be ruined by these changes. Also, this can work fine narratively: a late winter cold snap is not unknown in London.
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metasynthie wrote:
Didn't last year's change -- or at least the part of the changes that were visible enough to affect player decisions -- mostly involve nerfing the "stay inside a storylet until Lilac arrives" strategy that two players used to keep a Noman alive that long? Even if there was a change in melting rate, I imagine the difference between 2014 and 2015 didn't become visible, unlike the much more recorded and discussed data from 2015 changing now that it's 2016.
That said: very munificent of Failbetter -- and I must admit, very much in keeping with the player community's emphasis on people, stories of love and loss, and collaborative knowledge.
It's not like FL really needed a THIRD memento of ultra-grind dedication, in any case 
No that was just a gimmick well after the fact which I did expressly for the purpose of drawing attention to it so it would get nerfed. I had 666 nomans friend and melt rates in the 100+ range didn't hit me until like March, I believe. The exact date is on my blog and the forums. Noman lasted until March 18th 2015.
I suppose it's -possible- I was just insanely lucky and didn't see the 70+ change for weeks, but it seems unlikely given all reports this week have been higher than 70. That's why we say it was changed.
But it is nice to see a response back from FBG taking ownership of the issue.
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2/3/2016
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
Acquiring a Noman tattoo is intended to be one of FL's most challenging achievements. Inevitably, as people gather more data and develop more efficient strategies, the achievement gets easier. We want to preserve its prestige, so each year we look at the data and increase the rate of Noman decay accordingly.
Once-singular tattoos turning into popular fads is an established fact of FL setting. There's even a sidebar snippet about it!
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2/4/2016
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Just want to report my Noman's Friend loss for yesterday: loss of 69.
Also holy crap I missed a lot the last couple days while I was at work-- Failbetter I appreciate your listening to the feedback. I actually think the idea of the tatoo getting harder or easier each year is a great idea, but I also think vague references to such in the announcement are very important.
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2/4/2016
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
I've been reading the responses in this thread closely. I understand people's disgruntlement - the terms of the content weren't clear and we should have communicated them better.
Thank you Chris, this is what i was saying all along, if there was even a small warning after wicket opened, that it might be harder to keep poor Noman alive, i wouldn't say a word. But significant changes to estabilished content should always be communicated in time, especially when there may be people's money in play. And not even the real one, there would be players losing thousands of echoes and even that is painful to many.
Once again, thank you.
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2/6/2016
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Lilac will appear on the 15th so everyone only has to last one or two more weeks. Good luck all!
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
All that said, in this instance, we're going to do the following:
1. Reduce the Time, the Healer reduction of Noman's Friend.
2. If you've been affected by the larger reduction since Monday, and care, drop us a support request and we'll restore the difference in Noman's Friend.
Thank you all for listening, and for willing to go that length.
Thank you for the heads up on Hallowmas.
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Global warming comes to the neath. I have lost 113 Noman's Friend (new total 251). Looks like I might make it 2 more weeks. Maybe. Fingers crossed.
I get both sides of the argument on the change. Personally, I'm disappointed but I'm fine with it. It's hard to spend upwards of 6 months grinding for something only to have the rules change on you at the last minute with no way to recoup the lost resources but that is kind of the game. My opinion might be different if I'd, say, invested a bunch of money in fate for Forgotten Quarter runs to collect tears though.
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An Individual wrote:
My opinion might be different if I'd, say, invested a bunch of money in fate for Forgotten Quarter runs to collect tears though.
Like I did? yeah, no kidding. At least i've only spent 3 or 4 out of the 11 i had (because i thought im safe with 300+ NF quality) Now i have no pails to huff the rest and feeding them directly may not be enough. And i dont feel like spending more money in expeditions getting more tears to sponsor FBG after such low blow. In fact i feel like canceling my exceptional friendship instead.
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2/3/2016
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I've said my piece about this, so I'll let it lie now.
However, I do want to say a MASSIVE thank you to everyone here who has offered to help us out in whatever way they can. It is heartwarming (not too toasty, please, we're trying to keep Peggy cold!) to see everyone rally round and cheer us on. It's what makes doing these insane adventures worthwhile, and it's my favourite part of FL.
Any cups of coffee you can spare will be greatly appreciated.
Now on we go to the final furlong! We can do it! GO GO TEAM NOMAN! LOVE! IS! SACRIFICE!!!!!
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Wow, this is harsh. It seems particularly unkind to have changed the goalposts *after* it's too late for most of us to do anything about this - I easily had time & resources to get more NMF, but I spent most of my spares as the January losses of NMF were all sub 70. Luckily I had 11 taste and one bucket still on hand, but even with that it's going to be a close run thing. If Lilac comes on the 20th and losses stay below 120 each week, touch wood, I may just make it if I can grab some extra tears.
I know we were advised not to plan too much on the basis of past years, but given that this takes months of grinding to prepare for...
My TTH comes tomorrow evening, so I'll report my loss (last week I lost 45) and see if that helps people decide what to do.
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2/2/2016
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Yeah, they upped the hit massively from last year. I hate aiming for a moving target when you don't even know that the target is moving. Do I plough more resources into this run, or call it quits? How much worse is it going to get?
Anyway, 101 points taken a couple of hours ago.
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2/2/2016
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TtH came a few hours ago for my alt, lost 100 x Noman's Friend, from 367 to 267. Ouch.
If I don't get a tattoo, after grinding Tears and Wild Words all year, because they changed the rules, I will be pretty gutted. I'm glad my main decided to concentrate on her long-term grind.
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Okay, just got TTH 54 minutes ago and lost 38 Noman's Friend.
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1/15/2016
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Went from 56-zero this week. Noman's Progress was 11. And to think I sacrificed my Taste of Lacre precisely to prevent this from happening in case it somehow took 50 again. Blast my luck...
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1/10/2016
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Time arrived 1/10/16, lost 21 x Noman's Friend. Noman Knows was 12.
This will likely be my only entry for this, since I am going for the secret and will likely achieve it before my next Time. I only want 1 Noman. Good luck to all folks who plan to keep one for as long as possible!
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2/3/2016
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
What's unusual in this case is that we did exactly the same process last year, without causing any distress. I.
Hey, is this saying that there's a system to the Nomen decreasing madness? Number Crunchers of the Neath, unite!
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metasynthie
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Didn't last year's change -- or at least the part of the changes that were visible enough to affect player decisions -- mostly involve nerfing the "stay inside a storylet until Lilac arrives" strategy that two players used to keep a Noman alive that long? Even if there was a change in melting rate, I imagine the difference between 2014 and 2015 didn't become visible, unlike the much more recorded and discussed data from 2015 changing now that it's 2016.
That said: very munificent of Failbetter -- and I must admit, very much in keeping with the player community's emphasis on people, stories of love and loss, and collaborative knowledge.
It's not like FL really needed a THIRD memento of ultra-grind dedication, in any case
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Erika
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2/3/2016
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If this discussion wants to be continued, it can be continued here in a slightly? more relevant thread:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21560-the-ironoman-marathon.aspx
That being said, NiteBrites point on negativity still stands. We should keep discussion to the form of "This is a problem: these are fixes" or "This is a problem, I have a problem with this" as opposed to "This is a problem, how dare you problem". Mind, I am also very much to blame for this. My initial post did set an exceptionally displeased tone.
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2/3/2016
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You guys are great, and this is restoring my faith in my ability to do the marathon! I'll be approaching you all in-game with coffee, dinner and notability requests!
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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2/4/2016
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
I've been reading the responses in this thread closely. I understand people's disgruntlement - the terms of the content weren't clear and we should have communicated them better.
What's unusual in this case is that we did exactly the same process last year, without causing any distress. It's worth reiterating the point that Fallen London is a living game. We make changes to content constantly - in response to bug reports and exploits, to bring old content in line with new, to balance the economy, and in preparation for upcoming content. What happened last year might not be the same this year. This goes double for festivals; you can expect Hallowmas, at least, to be significantly different this year.
If you have specific questions about upcoming content, ask on the forums. We won't always be able to answer - and sometimes when we do, the answer will be "we don't know yet" - but when we can, we will. We'll always be as honest as we can, while being mega-busy writing new content for you to enjoy.
All that said, in this instance, we're going to do the following:
1. Reduce the Time, the Healer reduction of Noman's Friend.
2. If you've been affected by the larger reduction since Monday, and care, drop us a support request and we'll restore the difference in Noman's Friend.
Thank you, thank you so much. It feels good knowing that Failbetter is hearing us out on our issues and taking them into consideration. Kudos to you, Chris. Thanks a ton.
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You've lost 86 x Noman's Friend (new total 144 - The Noman is pristine). (Wow.)
February 5th, evening, around 10 pm GMT.
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Màiread
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Time just came for me (11 pm GMT), and I lost 85 Noman's friend, with Noman Knows at 16. Our data is limited, but it looks like the revised loss range is about 60-90, which is a useful minimum to keep in mind for anyone hoping to try this next year.
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Sir Joseph Marlen
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2/11/2016
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Màiread wrote:
Time just came for me (11 pm GMT), and I lost 85 Noman's friend, with Noman Knows at 16. Our data is limited, but it looks like the revised loss range is about 60-90, which is a useful minimum to keep in mind for anyone hoping to try this next year.
I agree, but let's all make sure to make it a rough basis for planning next year rather than anything definitive. After all, it seems like next year will be slightly harder considering what Chris said.
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Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
Màiread wrote:
Time just came for me (11 pm GMT), and I lost 85 Noman's friend, with Noman Knows at 16. Our data is limited, but it looks like the revised loss range is about 60-90, which is a useful minimum to keep in mind for anyone hoping to try this next year.
I agree, but let's all make sure to make it a rough basis for planning next year rather than anything definitive. After all, it seems like next year will be slightly harder considering what Chris said.
edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 2/11/2016
If you look at the time lines on the closure of the wicket and the arrival of Lilac it sounds like the Noman melting rate is meant to be adjusted each year to get a similar average total Noman's Friend loss to occur between the two events in any given year. This year was especially bad because of how close together they are. It seems like if you form you're Noman at the last possible moment you're meant to need between 300 and 400 Noman's Friend to make it through.
For example, with Lilac arriving on the 15th if you formed you're Noman in the last week of the wicket you'd need to survive 2-3 meltings to make it through. That first melt hit us for around the 110 mark. Presumably the next one would have been slightly worse. So if you went right to the wire and only had 2 melts 300 could have been a comfortable value. 3 melts would likely fall somewhere in that 300-400 range depending on how badly it escalated. This lines up with NiteBrite's numbers from last year that showed with a minimum number of melts (4) you would needed 280 Noman's Friend to be safe and with an extra melt (5) in there you needed about 350.
In short, if I had advice for people next year I'd say aim to get 400 Noman's Friend and create you're Noman as late as possible. You might be able to get away with less but I suspect that this is the reliably safe number to aim for.
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2/14/2016
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Getting a tattoo, however, is on the Forgotten Quarter storylet, not the card.
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2/16/2016
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Lost another 88 Noman's Fried, Noman Knows at 15.
Got the tattoo though - yay!
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metasynthie
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2/3/2016
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Ahh ok, thanks! The melt rate definitely seems to have changed since last year (between 2015, when you had 666 and got the tattoo, and this year) -- but I was wondering about what Chris said re: they went through the same process last year, in other words making a change between 2014 and 2015. I recall reading somewhere that there were a couple players who reached Lilac with a Noman in 2014, but that nobody got the tattoo. If that's the case I can see why nobody knew about the 2014-to-2015 change -- there's just no data for 2014 about late-winter melt rates.
However, the costs for BUYING a Noman definitely changed between 2014 and 2015, right? So that was certainly part of the adjustment that year. It's interesting because in the other thread about surprise, genesis has made good points about what kind of surprises simply feel awful as opposed to intriguing, provocative, or challenging in a positive way.
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Wow... You guys and gals (and other people of mysterious gender) are awesome. I go to bed and when I next have the opportunity to look, there's a huge outpouring of offers to help.
Welp, I'm in. I normally just play solo, but I'll happily donate some Free Evenings and some candles. I've said before that one of the most impressive things about Fallen London players is their sense of ambition. I'd be honored to help.
Send me a PM and I'll do what I can.
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Happy to help with evenings (either character) or Notability (Madman only). And cheers to Chris for his response.
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2/3/2016
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Thanks to everyone for lending a helping hand in this. At first I was getting worried if all this has been for not, but it's nice to know that the community has our back. I'll be sure to contact some of you as soon as I get the chance to. Great job, guys.
Apologies for any excess of aggression. In situations like these it's easy to breed contempt when everyone can gather around in a thread and stew in each others' anger. On a lighter note, I do hope that Failbetter will give our opinions a read.
Also, be sure to message me if you likewise need assistance with your grind. I'll be sure to help however I can, we need to stick together! Good luck everyone!
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Well. Makes me glad I didn't go for the tattoo this year.
I understand FB's position, although clearly it needs to be noted that this sudden Noman change as well as moving De Gustibus don't seem to be popular with the community.
This almost seems like getting in the right mood for SMEN comeback (haha).
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I was just going to ask if players not involved in Noman marathon can help somehow. I'm available from next week, just say what is needed.
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Time the Healer just passed 12:50 EDT (17:50, 11/01/2016 GMT). Lost 35 Nomen's Friend (100->65) Nomen Knows at 10.
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1/11/2016
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TtH at 18:28 GMT (11/01/16) - Lost 48 NF (100->52). KN is at 14
ETA: Parelle, I am at GMT, so I guess yours was at 17:50 GMT?
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1/12/2016
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At 9:33 PM EST, January 11th, I lost 45 Noman's Friend from 97, with 10 Noman Knows.
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12 hours ago (so around Jan 11 4pm GMT) lost 44 Noman's Friend (93 down to 49).
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RandomWalker
Posts: 948
1/12/2016
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malthaussen wrote:
1545 12 January 2016: Lost 58 of 100 NF, Knows at 8.
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Wow - that's a big hit.
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harbourlady
Posts: 78
1/12/2016
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ouch - from 100 to 51 with TtH. That's just mean. Noman knows was at 6 - the cards have not been all that present for me
edit - and i used up my remaining 5 ToL to try and buy some more time, and only got 14 points back.
*shakes fist at the masters*
edited by harbourlady on 1/12/2016
edited by harbourlady on 1/12/2016
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Captain Van Townes: He will tell you he was born of the sea, and you will never know if he is lying. Quick to fight and quick to steal, but with the honor born of men who will always tell the truth when asked the right question.
Social actions welcome, please be open to receiving them in return.
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Parelle
Posts: 1084
1/13/2016
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Kittenpox wrote:
Edit: I don't know exactly when my TtH happens, but it was sometime within the past hour and a half, though possibly closer to within the past half hour. (Sorry, I didn't think to check it exactly.)
Current GMT = 04:23am Wednesday 13th January, 2016.
edited by Kittenpox on 1/13/2016
Not to say it's immensely necessary, but your exact TtH is listed on 1) the email you receive if you get emails about in-game messages and 2) can be calculated back from your message about it (on the message tab) if within an hour (I think).
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Parelle, Lady Joseph Marlen. The Singular Librarian. A Midnighter, a Player of the Marvelous.
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Passionario
Posts: 777
1/15/2016
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Lost 48 Noman's Friend, Noman Knows was at 2. I have a bad feeling about this.
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Passion: Profile, Appearance
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Johnny Felix
Posts: 180
1/15/2016
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Second TTH took 40 NF just now, down from 70. Only 30 Remaining. Poor Norman isn't surviving another week.
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Esteban Delgado
Posts: 31
1/17/2016
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1445 Zulu 17 January 2016: Second loss of NF from TtH: 48 NF lost, NK is 10.
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I am Empty
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Blitherington Smythe
Posts: 28
1/17/2016
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3 hours ago I lost 53 Noman's friend, bringing my total to 0 with no reward - ouch. Commiserations to the others in my position - I was hoping my Noman would live for more than 8 days, but that'll teach me not to make one just before TtH next year!
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Zareen Bakara
Posts: 66
1/22/2016
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My alt, at approx. 2pm GMT, lost her remaining 44 Noman's Friend. Sadness. 
She took every possible chance to raise Noman Knows, but only managed to get it to 12.
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Erika
Posts: 528
1/7/2016
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This is a much better idea than a simple post of "it would be nice". You have my props and my data.
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Going on a fate expedition? I'm collecting data! Help me?
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Michile
Posts: 44
1/7/2016
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I, too, just got TtH, but my Noman's Friend is still 100.
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Lemexis
Posts: 155
1/8/2016
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Why would anyone want to murder it as soon as possible ? The poor thing.
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Erika
Posts: 528
1/8/2016
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Oh, that's what I'm doing. I brought my Noman to life only to kill it. By seeing what happens when you make your Noman take your place on the boat.
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Going on a fate expedition? I'm collecting data! Help me?
"Bottles of Oblivion" drunk in the name of content: 57
Catboxes (send more!) opened in the name of science: 1093
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NiteBrite
Posts: 1019
1/9/2016
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Parelle wrote:
Would it also make sense to report Nomen Knows? Or is that perhaps reading too much into what possible data could be drawn from in calculating the decrease.
(Now I somewhat want to make a chart of this)
edited by Parelle on 1/9/2016
I doubt it's involved but if you wish to provide additional information I wouldn't object.
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