Pyrodinium
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I was wondering why won't the Masters make their own love stories rather than collect them. Given that
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the bazaar needs only love stories and not necessarily human love stories.
It is possible to convert humans into Masters as seen in the "A Long Road" destiny storylet. I'm pretty sure they can get some romantic notions going on with each other or with newly converted lady bats (assuming they're all "Mr").
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Besides, Mr Veils and Mr Irons could use some hugs.
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Dear God, you do realize someone out there is probably already drawing Master Rule 34 because of this post. We should probably all just gouge our eyes out now :P
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Dear God, you do realize someone out there is probably already drawing Master Rule 34 because of this post. We should probably all just gouge our eyes out now :P
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Pyrodinium wrote:
Mr. Veils just likes it rough... Oh dear... 
If in some future story, you can woo a master . . .
I am willing to bet my unborn Overgoat that he'll woo you, do you, then decapitate you . . .
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Pyrodinium wrote:
I was wondering why won't the Masters make their own love stories rather than collect them.
In a way they might be doing that. In the latest Ambition:Nemesis update...
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you discover that some of the Masters are responsible for your loved one's murder, presumably to draw you down to the Neath.
Pyrodinium wrote:
the bazaar needs only love stories and not necessarily human love stories.
It is possible to convert humans into Masters as seen in the "A Long Road" destiny storylet. I'm pretty sure they can get some romantic notions going on with each other or with newly converted lady bats (assuming they're all "Mr").
Of course, love stories don't have to be male/female. We've already seen other such stories in the Neath (just as an example: the love story between the king of the First City and the one who is now the King with a Hundred Hearts).
One of the things I really love about Fallen London is how inclusive it is in such matters. After all, we're talking about space bats looking to collect love stories to help a space crab messenger who is in love with a star. Gender issues seem... not that important.
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Don't forget what does the Bazaar need the stories for, and its relation to the Great Chain. The story in SFiG is significant because
[spoiler]It has cross-chain love, just like the Bazaar is loving something beyond its own place in the Chain, without meddling by the Bazaar.[/spoiler]
The Bazaar wants to prove a point. Anything that remotely suggests "I tampered with this example" is, perhaps, not the best pick for the Bazaar. Which is why the Masters frequently seek out people who assisted in stories of love without input from them anonymously, i.e. a certain story from House of Chimes.
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Pyrodinium wrote:
...far better for the Masters to fall for the lovely folks of London.
Well, that is one Batman origin story I haven't heard before.
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[Mutters very softly] Besides, I find that topic icky.
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I do think it's worth noting that the Mr. Sacks interested in dreams thinks you're flirting with it should you offer up a dream of mirrors... and says you're doing a good job of it. Sounds to me like at least one Master might be open to a little amalgamy. :P
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Estelle Knoht
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Pyrodinium wrote:
I was wondering why won't the Masters make their own love stories rather than collect them. Given that
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the bazaar needs only love stories and not necessarily human love stories.
It is possible to convert humans into Masters as seen in the "A Long Road" destiny storylet. I'm pretty sure they can get some romantic notions going on with each other or with newly converted lady bats (assuming they're all "Mr").
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Besides, Mr Veils and Mr Irons could use some hugs.
The University content made it clear that intentionally manufactured stories are useless to the Bazaar - and the Masters are all aware of the Bazaar's goals, so either your love stories with them are of dubious value, or you are one hell of a Legendary Charisma to make them fall for you unintentionally.
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Sara Hysaro
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Yeah, I don't think those stories would be very useful, especially if it was deliberate rather than natural. It might even be a bad thing for the Bazaar if these romances end up making them hate each other to the point that they can't even pretend to work together.
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Passionario wrote:
Pyrodinium wrote:
...far better for the Masters to fall for the lovely folks of London.
Well, that is one Batman origin story I haven't heard before.
nananananana Vakeman!
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Pyrodinium
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
Don't forget what does the Bazaar need the stories for, and its relation to the Great Chain. The story in SFiG is significant because
(snipped due to using another spolier tag)
The Bazaar wants to prove a point. Anything that remotely suggests "I tampered with this example" is, perhaps, not the best pick for the Bazaar. Which is why the Masters frequently seek out people who assisted in stories of love without input from them anonymously, i.e. a certain story from House of Chimes.
I guess that reasoning makes it far better for the Masters to fall for the lovely folks of London.
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What better story to symbolize a cross-chain love than an actual cross-chain love? The Judgement is to the Bazaar as the Masters is to us. It also provides a happy ending to said cross-chain love. If a loving Master can do er... things to uplift a lowly human into Chiropteran glory then how much easier for a certain Judgement or a group of Judgements could simply devote a certain sliver of their power to uplift a certain space crab and welcome it among their ranks.
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It'll be hard to prove that it wasn't a deliberate action for the benefit of the Bazaar, however. The Masters know too much, and are too involved in this business to provide any stories that don't raise metaphorical eyebrows. If the Judgements don't want the Bazaar to succeed then any story involving the Masters is going to be dismissed no matter how genuine it is. The Bazaar needs unambiguously true stories so the Judgements have to acknowledge them.
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I think you misunderstand - I'm not saying the stories wouldn't be very useful for us. It'd be highly entertaining and informative for the players. I'm speaking of the Bazaar, and its collection of stories. Masterly romances wouldn't be very helpful for the Bazaar's purposes.
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I think I'd feel so left out if any of these romantic options became available one day.
The pain of playing an asexual and disinterested character.
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Pyrodinium
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Hypothesizing on an Affairs of the Box storylet, the Silver Tree story and the other stories discussed here, I think one of the main rules of love stories is that they are not forced by external parties. If a certain love grows naturally then I think it's good enough for the Bazaar regardless of species.
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[spoiler]Since Mr. Spices and Mr. Wines are in charge of love story acquisitions, perhaps someone should try hooking them up. Sure, they hate each other, but they may just be acting tsundere.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler] Actually, Mr. Spices did elaborate on why Jack was a failure: "The Bazaar does not accept stories of such synthetically created romance". You can see the whole storylet echoed on my profile: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Manu~Traveler?fromEchoId=3588249 [/spoiler]
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[spoiler]That who masquerades as those behind the first Death in Nemesis has a lot of explaining to do then.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]Pyro would be very interested in such explanation. However, I can't see any budding romances directly related to the Nemesis ambition.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]Traveler would also be excedingly interested in such an explanation. Preferably heard from the soon-to-be-corpse of that responsible. But that may have had nothing to do with creating love stories. The goal might seems to have been attracting a series of people to the Neath, but how we were selected and the reasons why he wants us here are still very unclear[/spoiler]
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[spoiler] (*the truthseeker looks dead in his eyes when he remembers what little he can and what he recently learned.*) It's....too painful for me to discuss Cynthia. Besides her name and her features, Irrigo has robbed me of most of her memories. But know this: The same reason Jack-of-Smiles...the real "Jack"...was created was the same reason many of us swore an oath to our lost loved ones and the vengeance to our Nemesis.
Scathewick? *Laughs a hollow laugh* WHICH Scathewick?! That's not the real Nemesis! The Masters made many to achieve their Surface goals of getting us down here for their epic tales. Only they don't seem to understand we find out...we all eventually find out.
Still, they think such conflict will somehow make those Bloody stories the Bazaar needs. Well, I am a patient man. I will wait. I may not be able to save all people , but I will save as many as I can before this too fails and the Sixth comes crashing down....
Mad? You think me mad? *Pulls out a Daybook page that clearly has the Bazaar's seal, but hides it just as quickly* Two are One! if you don't know more, best you walk away now and never continue! It's very hard to completely kill a Master. Ask Mr. Candles...by whatever higher power besides the Stars, Perhaps Not!
My apologies for saying that in my state. May you never speak to such a thing.
But one day, a reckoning will not be Postponed any more....
No you Bloody Toffs, this is not some Masters Emotional story! And stop saying just the first two syllables of Emotional! It's grammatically incorrect and such Frippery will never catch on, even after a century![/spoiler]
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If this thread doesn't lead to an RP in Fabularities I'll be very disappointed.
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I remember reading in someone's journal that Mr. Spices explicitly stated that any Love Stories that are manufactured, even indirectly, are useless. Even if the two who fall in love do so on their own, if the Masters have a hand in the creation, it won't work.
Major spoilers below. Read at your own risk. Don't read if you want to learn about a certain high profile criminal on your own.
[spoiler]He was talking about how he created Jack of Smiles, so that people would become terrified for their lives and seek love to pass on their legacy before they die. Even though some people did, indeed, fall in love without any additional input from the Masters after Jack's creation, any love stories caused by Jack are useless.[/spoiler]
So, if two people falling in genuine love due to Master influences don't work, Master love also should not work, regardless of how genuine it is.
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th8827 wrote:
I remember reading in someone's journal that Mr. Spices explicitly stated that any Love Stories that are manufactured, even indirectly, are useless. Even if the two who fall in love do so on their own, if the Masters have a hand in the creation, it won't work.
Major spoilers below. Read at your own risk. Don't read if you want to learn about a certain high profile criminal on your own.
[redacted]
So, if two people falling in genuine love due to Master influences don't work, Master love also should not work, regardless of how genuine it is.
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That sounds like you're mixing things.
[spoiler]The manufactured love stories are useless is definitely a thing- it's part of the university storyline- but i'm not sure how much so, since the rules are all nebulous and vauge. I'm not sure if setting up an ideal location counts. otherwise, any neathy love story is useless. Mr. spices said jack is a failure, but he didn't elaborate on why, IIRC.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]The manufactured love stories are useless is definitely a thing- it's part of the university storyline- but i'm not sure how much so, since the rules are all nebulous and vauge. I'm not sure if setting up an ideal location counts. otherwise, any neathy love story is useless. Mr. spices said jack is a failure, but he didn't elaborate on why, IIRC.[/spoiler]
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Manu Traveler wrote:
[spoiler] Actually, Mr. Spices did elaborate on why Jack was a failure: "The Bazaar does not accept stories of such synthetically created romance". You can see the whole storylet echoed on my profile: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Manu~Traveler?fromEchoId=3588249 [/spoiler]
I still think this is best answer to the OP's question. Masters can't just make up love stories. They have to be inspired by something genuine. And, if you trade wine for honey in Veilgarden, you learn that they aren't actually known to take lovers -- so they probably need those stories to come from someone else.
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@ South-Sea Rutherby - I think that's more on the guy behind the counter calling out your bluff than actual lore. He thinks you don't know enough about the Masters to know that.
th8827 wrote:
One of the Mr. Sackses does act kind of flirtatious with certain choices, so it is not out of the question that they can feel romantic inclinations. Whether it is in the same vein as humans love, though, is still to be determined.
[spoiler]Human on Snow-Spacebat Action[/spoiler]
You, young lady, have a really strange taste in proscribed materials. 
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What would Mr. Pages think if he read it?
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th8827 wrote:
What would Mr. Pages think if he read it?
All I can say is:
Mr. "Sacks" will visit your lodgings... even if it's not the Christmas season.
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Passionario wrote:
the truthseeker wrote:
[Mutters very softly] Besides, I find that topic icky.
You would make an excellent Judgement.
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Passionario wrote:
the truthseeker wrote:
[Mutters very softly] Besides, I find that topic icky.
You would make an excellent Judgement.
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
It'll be hard to prove that it wasn't a deliberate action for the benefit of the Bazaar, however. The Masters know too much, and are too involved in this business to provide any stories that don't raise metaphorical eyebrows. If the Judgements don't want the Bazaar to succeed then any story involving the Masters is going to be dismissed no matter how genuine it is. The Bazaar needs unambiguously true stories so the Judgements have to acknowledge them.
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