Puutuulion
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12/18/2015
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I've built up a wealth of cryptic clues (near 10,000) and was wondering if anyone had suggestions. My unmodified skills are all around 100. The most profitable action I can find is "A bag of low quality diamonds" which would earn me ~2 EPA for about 50 actions. Any other recommendations?
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Sara Hysaro
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That's what I'd personally do with them - simple and profitable.
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Grenem
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Upcrafting can get you with a foot into every conversion tree, but the EpA is kinda poor. You would get roughly 400 tales/journals, though.
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malthaussen
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How do you trade Clues for diamonds?
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lady ciel
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12/18/2015
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malthaussen wrote:
How do you trade Clues for diamonds?
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If you are POSI you can visit Empire Adornments in the Bazaar Sidestreets and trade for a bag of low quality diamonds. There is a rare success as well which makes it worth doing.
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Gonen
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12/18/2015
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malthaussen wrote:
How do you trade Clues for diamonds?
At the Bazaar Side street:
Empire Adornments.
Choose "Bag a low quality diamonds" and 1 in every 20 conversions or so you'll get a magnificent diamond.
Better EPA than just selling the Cryptic Clues (unless you really need to upgrade them instead)
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MrBurnside
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12/19/2015
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The value of Cryptic Clues is pretty much directly proportional to your speed of acquisition.
If you're at the University and can grind them at about 1.75 EPA then they become one of the fastest ways to grind almost any high tier item (that you can get through conversion anyway). The speed of acquiring them usually outway the time lost to conversion. The ability to convert them to both Journals of Infamy and Tales of Terror makes for fewer actions in the T3 carousel and beyond that conversions are pretty profitable on their own. It also improves the A Bag of Low Quality Diamonds option to about 1.89 EPA total.
On the other hand simply getting them through 1 EPA options makes them almost useless for anything but the occasional bribe/content-gate and of course the cost of A Bag of Low Quality Diamonds (giving a 2.2 EPA when ignoring the cost of acquisition).
edited for spelling after writing it on too little sleep
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Guest
12/20/2015
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While not cost effective compared to the alternate method, if you manage to acquire 80K of Whispered Hints (and selling 10 K of Clues should allow you to buy an equal amount or 10 K of hints,) you may directly buy a premises at the Bazaar. This is one of those "It's cheaper to grind the 50 Bazaar permits, but if you already have so many of the hints, then it's better to finish it out" scenarios.
Else, the previously mentioned conversions or monetary conversions post-PoSI should be done. Considering the Night Whisper Fidgeting Writer options, the upconverting to tales of terror is slightly seasonally better at the moment.
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Gillsing
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12/20/2015
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Puutuulion wrote:
I've built up a wealth of cryptic clues (near 10,000) and was wondering if anyone had suggestions. My unmodified skills are all around 100. The most profitable action I can find is "A bag of low quality diamonds" which would earn me ~2 EPA for about 50 actions. Any other recommendations?
edited by Puutuulion on 12/18/2015
Couldn't you sell those 10,000 Cryptic Clues at the Bazaar for 200 Echoes, which would be about twice as much as 2 x 50 = 100 Echoes?
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Puutuulion
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12/20/2015
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Gillsing wrote:
Puutuulion wrote:
I've built up a wealth of cryptic clues (near 10,000) and was wondering if anyone had suggestions. My unmodified skills are all around 100. The most profitable action I can find is "A bag of low quality diamonds" which would earn me ~2 EPA for about 50 actions. Any other recommendations?
edited by Puutuulion on 12/18/2015
Couldn't you sell those 10,000 Cryptic Clues at the Bazaar for 200 Echoes, which would be about twice as much as 2 x 50 = 100 Echoes?
Quoted EPA is net. Actual action rewards 6.019 EPA at a cost of 4 EPA's worth of Cryptic Clues, for a net of 2.019 EPA.
In other words, I could sell 10,000 cryptic clues for 200 echoes, or I could use 50 actions to convert them into 300.95 echoes worth of diamonds.
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Lady Sapho Byron
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12/20/2015
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Gillsing wrote:
Couldn't you sell those 10,000 Cryptic Clues at the Bazaar for 200 Echoes, which would be about twice as much as 2 x 50 = 100 Echoes?
Puutuulion means ~2 EPA net. Gross EPA is 6.019 (assuming a rare success rate of 0.05).
Edit: Puutuulion beat me to it!
edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 12/20/2015
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Erika
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12/20/2015
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If you're expecting a vast quantity of Feast of the Exceptional Rose gifts (and intend on reciprocating everything), you may want to hang onto them on account of Glasses of Teeth costing 500 Cryptic Clues each (and being cashable for 1 Masquing).
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Kaigen
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12/20/2015
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Does anyone have some solid testing to determine what the chance of critical success on the bag of low quality diamonds is? Because whether or not that option is worth it really depends on whether the odds are as high as or lower than 5%.
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metasynthie
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12/20/2015
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I've been using that option on a more or less daily basis to convert all my extra cryptic clues for some time now, and I'm pretty positive it's 5% from looking at the data I've got.
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dov
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12/20/2015
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If it helps:
As part of gradually cashing-in my items towards the Cider, I've converted in the past few weeks 226,000 Cryptic Clues into diamonds.
Of those 1130 attempts, I've encountered the Rare Success 61 times, which is 5.4%. (translates to ~2.068 net EPA, ~6.068 gross EPA)
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Kittenpox
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12/20/2015
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Thankyou for this thread! I'd been selling them directly (on occasion) back when my regular grind ran out and I didn't have enough actions to get more Echoes for the item I wanted at the time.
I think I'll start using this method to convert them instead. :-D
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navchaa
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12/21/2015
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Adding to the chime of thank yous! I normally sell off any CCs over 10k.
A secondary question - are flawed diamonds best sold directly to the bazaar or is there yet another conversion to up the echo value further?
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Sara Hysaro
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I think they're best sold to the Bazaar directly.
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Kaigen wrote:
Does anyone have some solid testing to determine what the chance of critical success on the bag of low quality diamonds is? Because whether or not that option is worth it really depends on whether the odds are as high as or lower than 5%.
Sorry missed the question earlier or I would have posted this then. For all luck/rare successes inquiries, go here and use their document. I believe all checks are at a 400 attempt iteration minimum, (not just successes) if not more.
Oh, and the answer is 6.43% which one could surmise that the attempted setup of the in-game rare success was 6.5%, but could be a low as 6%. Still, much higher than even 5% in the Rare Success world of things.
navchaa wrote:
Adding to the chime of thank yous! I normally sell off any CCs over 10k.
A secondary question - are flawed diamonds best sold directly to the bazaar or is there yet another conversion to up the echo value further?
And no, there is not. They are used for (all with no gain or some loss: ) Side Street NPC Spouse Courting, Fate-locked getting your soul back, give a gift sending, a Mr. Sacks Day 3 nothing gained from Mr. Sacks (or .12 Echo loss to be specific,) and a Day 8 Mr. Sachish (Silas) at a 1.80 Echo loss for all the honey and jewels when it's totaled up and exchanged with 500 rats on a string.
If there is some other use that I do not know and/or could not find looked up in the Wikia, please correct this reply, but at the time of this reply, selling flawed diamonds directly to the Bazaar is still the most profitable from Cryptic Clue conversion.
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I think they're best sold to the Bazaar directly.
This quote is referring to Flawed Diamonds and not Cryptic Clues. If anybody is still unsure why you don't sell Cryptic Clues directly when you have this shop access, see below. Since this is long and math-y I'll spoiler it.
[spoiler]See the above-average Rare Success rate (compared to 5% or less. Even the Drunken Rat is only 1.31 % for example looking ) to Rare Successes showing it overall has a (well statistically speaking) better bulk turnaround rate gaining you more Echoes than a guaranteed .02 pence of an Echo per directly sold.
If anybody didn't get Puutuulion's basic profit gist of the prior posts, I'll break it down for everybody who might be reading this thread. (And this is why you don't use your phone to learn math and need school everybody, but I did check my works with a calculator before posting.)
200 Cryptic Clues (known henceforth as CC) sells directly to the Bazaar for 4 Echoes. That is the number converted into flawed diamonds. A regular 200 CC conversion gives 45 Flawed Diamonds (.12 Echoes each,) while a Rare Success gives 44 Flawed Diamonds (.12 Echoes each,) and a Magnificent Diamond (12.50 Echoes each.)
If we took 6.43% of attempts succeeded converting 10,000 CC (that would be 50 attempts,) 6.43% would be 3.215 attempts which we will round down to 3 Rare Successes. 3 Rare Successes means each gives 44 flawed diamonds (sold at .12 each making 5.28 Echoes) and 1 Magnificent Diamond (sold at 12.50 Echoes) making 17.78 total or 17.78-4 equals a profit of 13.78 for each success compared to said 200 CC. We'll add up the total profit later.
And that doesn't compute the transactional "regular successes" if one were to stop there and just sell the flawed diamonds. Again, 200 CC sells for 4 Echoes. Again, a Flawed diamond sells for .12 Echoes. A regular success offers 45 Flawed diamonds. 45*.12=5.40 Echoes. 5.40-4 means that alone is 1.40 Echoes profit. So even if you were to fail...every...bloody...time, 50*1.40=70 Echoes Profit above selling them directly.
But let's add the statistical success to this group. So 3 Rare Successes. Three rare successes adds up to 53.34 Echoes total. Compared that to selling 600 CC, that's 12 total Echoes. So that's 41.34 echoes Profit.
Removing three earlier amounts from our regular total of all 200 failed rare success checks of Echoes' profit from 70 at 1.40 per, we reduce this by 4.20 echoes or 65.80. Now, we replace and add in the new higher profit of the 3 Rare Successes or 41.34 and the new total is 107.14.
So, even if you only got 3 Rare Successes out of 50 attempts, that's still 107.14 Echoes more than cashing in 10,000 CC at .02 for a flat total of 200 Echoes.
So when your profit is 107.14 Echoes' more than your flat return, I respectfully again state do not sell Cryptic Clues To The Bazaar and sell to Empire Adornments.
(Of course if I made any glaring mistakes, everybody, please correct. I used a calculator, but still could have messed up somewhere in my steps which is why I listed my work. Even if I did, there is absolutely no question that .12*45 or 5.40 is greater than 200*.02 or 4 even on a Regular Success and 44*.12=5.28+12.50=17.78 is greater than 200*.02 or 4 on a Rare Success so never exchange Cryptic Clues to the Bazaar if you have access to Empire Adornments.)[/spoiler]
Now I personally am using Cryptic Clues converting into Appalling Secrets, then Tales of Terror for Fidgeting Writer's Night Whispers now, and Coruscating Souls later; but that's a whole other luck check discussion entirely.
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Sara Hysaro
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I was responding to navchaa's question about what to do with Flawed Diamonds, not the OP's question about Cryptic Clues. I already responded to the OP's question.
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