The tearful archaeologist.
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I have been playing FL for nearly a year now. Two months ago I joined the leagues with no intention to fight anyone and put no invitations in the forums. I eventually got my prize tokens and brought a knife of lost sky, and a shroud. And then I was immediately jumped with no prior warning with an elusive attack and had my hard won gear stolen by [another player]
Now he isn't responding to my frantic letters in the hopes of getting my gear back so I dont have to wait another month...
Is this sort of behavior considered polite? He is clearly a character that had no need to steal those items from me and yet he did so anyway...
What is polite and what isn't here?
Hi guys - locking this thread, as it's turned into social shaming for someone who is playing the game as it is allowed to be played. In general it's poor show to police player actions which aren't exploiting any bugs via public outings on forums, and I've seen it happening more often of late. Can we strive to avoid it?
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Mr Sables
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12/7/2015
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The tearful archaeologist. wrote:
I have been playing FL for nearly a year now. Two months ago I joined the leagues with no intention to fight anyone and put no invitations in the forums. I eventually got my prize tokens and brought a knife of lost sky, and a shroud. And then I was immediately jumped with no prior warning with an elusive attack and had my hard won gear stolen by http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/danko
Now he isn't responding to my frantic letters in the hopes of getting my gear back so I dont have to wait another month...
Is this sort of behavior considered polite? He is clearly a character that had no need to steal those items from me and yet he did so anyway...
What is polite and what isn't here?
It's probably best not to 'out' people, but . . .
To my knowledge, those are the risks of the game. You get tokens for beating people, so people will do this to get more tokens, which earns them better prizes . . . it's a risk for so long as you're in the game. Best solution? Grab the gear you want, then exist the leagues entirely (if you can). That way you can't lose anything.
I've lost hard-earned items, too, which is annoying as heck, but that's life XD Have you tried the Moon League? I don't think you can surprise attack people there, but you can still challenge people to matches and earn prizes  It's a bit safer, if I remember right
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ganjalf91
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12/7/2015
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How did he know if you never attacked anyone?
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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12/7/2015
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I'm sorry that you lost your stuff.
Personally I don't play K&C any more because I didn't enjoy it, for similar reasons. If this is a risk you no longer wish to take, you may wish to drop your form to keep yourself from being attacked--perhaps after you get your stuff back.
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The tearful archaeologist.
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12/7/2015
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ganjalf91 wrote:
How did he know if you never attacked anyone?
I was in his contacts from hallowmas... Something I truly regret now. I suppose I have to save up for an infernal sharpshooters rifle to replace the knife now.
And there go my two moods in the desperate hopes of getting my stuff back...
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Passionario
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12/7/2015
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Live by the candle, die by the knife.
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Hobnail
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12/7/2015
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Poor show poacher, poor show!
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Grenem
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12/7/2015
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Passionario wrote:
Live by the candle, die by the knife.
Isn't that backwards? it's the candles that are truly dangerous, here. The knives are simply... well, i should say generally, the candles are the dangerous ones.
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Parelle
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12/7/2015
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Honestly, try contacting him via private messaging on this forum. I believe he's active here?
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Guest
12/7/2015
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While it is considered a poor manner to attack without "standards" of dueling, it is perfectly acceptable to do so in the basic Leagues. My condolences you met a 19th century "camper" in this regard. If you wish to still duel but have "formal" requests of fighting instead (including attempts or gambits that still could take away stuff but you know this as you are fighting them,) I suggest switching over to the Moon league (as my main is in currently.) This option is best if you are trying to get things like "Assassin on Assassins" victories.
However, if you wish to just quit, it's best to "abandon your form" and not fight anymore. (As it's been a while: ) should that not be an option and you just want out, you may need to go to the cottage and retire. But honestly, I recommend the Moon League. Do note however, switching Leagues may erase your victory count, but I am not sure.
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Zantumall
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12/7/2015
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Honestly, I wouldn't call that impolite. Kind of the point of Knife and Candle is that investing in prizes carries risk - that's why you're allowed to steal them in the first place. And it's hardly common practice to warn your opponent before you ambush them. You can (and should) try to steal them back if you need them, you always have a chance to win attacks even when the opponent's stat is much higher than yours. If you absolutely need that knife on a long-term basis, then swipe it back and immediately quit the league.
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An Individual
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12/7/2015
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Unfortunately the Iron League is an anything goes kind of a fair. Polite? Polite isn't really the point when you're stabbing people and taking their stuff. If you'd like to duel like a gentleman the Moon League is more involved but requires willing participation and has options that one can take to ensure no one takes your stuff.
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Guest
12/7/2015
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An Individual wrote:
Unfortunately the Iron League is an anything goes kind of a fair. Polite? Polite isn't really the point when you're stabbing people and taking their stuff. If you'd like to duel like a gentleman the Moon League is more involved but requires willing participation and has options that one can take to ensure no one takes your stuff.
As certain storyette cards show, the game used to be...more refined. Then certain...undesirables showed up and "Umpires" were needed. The example above is exactly why we could use umpires here for players.
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Grenem
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12/7/2015
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the truthseeker wrote:
An Individual wrote:
Unfortunately the Iron League is an anything goes kind of a fair. Polite? Polite isn't really the point when you're stabbing people and taking their stuff. If you'd like to duel like a gentleman the Moon League is more involved but requires willing participation and has options that one can take to ensure no one takes your stuff.
As certain storyette cards show, the game used to be...more refined. Then certain...undesirables showed up and "Umpires" were needed. The example above is exactly why we could use umpires here for players.
No, it's not. All the knife-and-candle text implies the game is exactly as dirty as it is on our end, if not more, and the umpires only get involved if non-players are involved. If takuza is massacring knife and candle players by the boatload, she's not a problem, but if eolande, in self defense, blows up a city block, she is. This is the idea in every storylet associated with being a knife-and-candle umpire.
EDIT: which is not to say there are not matters of etiquite/honor, there are. they just have no need to be enforced, and i feel it would ruin what little flavor the game has.
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Zareen Bakara
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12/8/2015
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Personally, I think it's impolite to attack someone whose contact one only has because of the Hallowmas list. Contacts were given there for Hallowmas purposes not to invite hostile actions. However, not everyone's going to agree with this view. Keeping a stance will leave one open to Knife and Candle attacks from people like that. As such, if you won't want something like this to happen again, it might be best to abandon your stance for a time.
You could get your stuff back by attacking in return - the attacker always has a certain advantage in Knife and Candle, though this is modified by the opposed stats. For the record, using your moods does not help in Knife and Candle, to the best of my knowledge. I believe the only stat test is of the specific Knife and Candle stats (elusive, baroque, and savage).
If you're not willing to strike back, the next month should bring you enough prize tokens to replace the knife at least. A month isn't that long. So, while I genuinely understand you feeling shocked and upset, let me comfort you with the thought that it's nothing you can't get back soon enough.
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suinicide
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12/8/2015
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In the interest of fairness, the Hallowmas list probably added a large amount of contacts to his list. Keeping track of them all would be rather difficult. But it is rather impolite to ignore someone trying to talk to you.
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Zareen Bakara
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12/8/2015
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That genuinely didn't occur to me, so thank you for pointing it out. As it happens, I do recognise every contact in my list as either being from Hallowmas or from the rest of the game, most likely because of the number of times I feverishly checked my Hallowmas spreadsheet to make sure I reciprocated everyone who sent me a confession invite. But, on reflection, that is probably not the usual way of going about things...
Edit: Happily, it appears that the OP at least has a knife again (one shows in the profile at the moment I'm checking, anyway). http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Cronomancer~Callum
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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12/8/2015
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Zareen Bakara wrote:
For the record, using your moods does not help in Knife and Candle, to the best of my knowledge. I believe the only stat test is of the specific Knife and Candle stats (elusive, baroque, and savage).
No, but mood cards allow you to attack in the Iron League.
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Rupho Schartenhauer
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12/8/2015
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Seriously, what you experienced there is only what K&C is all about. It is a dirty game, meant to be played dirty. Polite isn't even a thing there. If that's not your style, opt out of it - I don't enjoy it, that's why I don't play.
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Zareen Bakara
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12/8/2015
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an_ocelot wrote:
No, but mood cards allow you to attack in the Iron League.
Thanks - I foolishly forgot that the mood cards also give an opening. I only play Knife and Candle occasionally with a couple of alts, and even then I never would have thought to use a mood like that.
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