genesis
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12/3/2015
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I've recently realised that while the Fallen London engine tracks the vast majority of player qualities, some are not tracked in a way that the player can access. These include, as far as I can see:
* Living Story subscriptions
* Seasonal keys (the qualities that make seasonal content available)
* Bazaar's questions
* (To a lesser extent your location. although of course you can always see that by looking at the top where it says "Welcome to...")
Are there other qualities like that? Do we know why that's the case? In the case of Bazaar's questions - age and gender - this is clearly due to privacy and there is something to be said for not cluttering the interface with duplicate information that can be otherwise inferred (i.e. the location and the season). But in the case of living stories and K&C qualities I would very much like to be able to see what qualities my character has.
Has FB addressed this in the past? Made their views known? Is their much point in lobbying them to include this information?
ETA: Removed K&C bit per comments below
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malthaussen
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KnC qualities are in the sidebar under your Menaces, notability, etc. But it doesn't give the form, just the points in the three qualities.
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NiteBrite
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12/3/2015
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You do get a quality for your K&C form it just shows up in a strange place, like major lateral or something. K&C moon league gambits give you an unlabeled curiosity item with no hover text. Your name written in silver ink is the invisible prize token delivery quality (paraphrased name). Everyone has 0 luck not 1 so it's not invisible, rather it's just at 0.
The only thing that has me stumped is how does the K&C 24 hour repeat moon duel lockout work. It knows who you've fought -and- it times out. I suspect it's some kind of messageless living story but which quarter it tracks with eludes me. I like to think living stories are all quality based, but it's hard to say for sure. Your current location could also be thought of as a quality that you have but don't see in your inventory (ex. The quality "you have been moved to spite").
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Erika
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12/4/2015
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metasynthie wrote:
There's Luck, which is invisible and everyone has at 1 -- but it's a quality that works much like other qualities in StoryNexus. Cecil, what are the invisible qualities in Flint and Lost in Reflections?
Correction: everyone has it at 0 and it's not invisible! Thank you, NiteBrite.
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The challenges against your Luck check are invisible, that's possibly what you're thinking about, I got told that in a bug report a bit back but wasn't sure if I was supposed to keep it under wraps but I guess the cat's out of the bag now.
Also. Each Luck challenge locks with Luck 1. So even if you managed to get the quality you couldn't mess up FW terribly or anything, because you couldn't do luck challenges anymore.
Regarding Flint and Lost in Reflections respectively:
[spoiler]A Moment in Time and whatever the quality attached to "You have investigated July’s roost." is.[/spoiler]
Oh, regarding locations. I've meticulously checked every single location change including in Fate content. Each time the alt text only says "A thing has happened!" which is notable because it's possible for qualities to not have alt text.
What is notable is that each location does have an image attached to it.
And that the Nadir has different alt text when moving to it.
I think I recall one fate location having alt text. But I can't recall which for the life of me.
It's also notable that each location has their own image, so somewhere along the way that's manually set.
Parabolan Panther content has a sudo-location which is actually just a quality that moves you into a autofire storylet.
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genesis
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12/4/2015
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metasynthie wrote:
so it only shows up in your qualities list after you do something timeworthy
An alt is currently sitting in D&S having just gained ATiM and nothing is showing up in the properties list. I am going to leave him there for a week for SCIENCE. I am also *relatively* (but not 100%) sure that it's not (explicitly) cleared when you leave D&S (ETA: at least when you leave by... not the front door. You just get the area change text, as far as my notes show me)
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Erika
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I was quite aware of A Moment in Time not showing up after gaining it, that's why I mentioned it. The action that gives it out requires A Moment in Time 0 to perform.
metasynthie, I meticulously tracked every part of July's storyline and never saw any quality gain/change oh.
[spoiler]Hypothetical possibility, I tracked every single quality change, but I didn't see all of the story. There's a small part of the storyline where you hunt around London for July's Roost, that you only see if you fail the Watchful challenge with the Ravens. It's possible that the quality is gained in that part of the storyline.
I am 100% positive that I only saw a quality change for this quality the once.[/spoiler]
Also, regarding locations, I'm also fairly positive that they're not qualities. I just thought the information I shared would generate interest.
Oh! Also, one ES location displayed as "You have moved to a new area" as opposed to "You have moved to a new area: Spite" for example. Which is also interesting.
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annalibertas
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12/5/2015
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Judging by the fact that locations are handled separately from qualities in Storynexus, which was based off FL, I'd say we can safely say they're not qualities
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Erika
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Seasonal Keys are never given to us, rather the quality locks on the cards are added and removed manually.
Source: All requirements are now displayed to us and I've personally seen the Key of Seasons quality requirement before.
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