 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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Hmm, so is Connected/Society also required to raise Notability, in addition to MW and BDR? Or just the book?
-- Mal
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 suinicide Posts: 2409
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You get the book free with the first point of notability, which comes from an opp card. Connections can be exchanged for making waves, but are not necessary for notability. Edit: now that i think about it, getting the book free sounds kinda weird. No idea where i got mine then. edited by suinicide on 12/1/2015 edited by suinicide on 12/1/2015 edited by suinicide on 12/1/2015
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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 Sestina Valdis Posts: 210
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malthaussen wrote:
Hmm, so is Connected/Society also required to raise Notability, in addition to MW and BDR? Or just the book?
-- Mal
Just the book. You don't need any Connected: Society whatsoever, although it can indirectly help you by getting you Making Waves with certain actions, of course-- as with certain other Connecteds.
-- Sestina Valdis, the Saccharine Satirist. Appearance and Misc. Accoutrements A Past Scattered Across Discarded Stockings
Fei Xue, the Artful Assassin. Self
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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But if some kind soul sends that first Notability point as a gift, then the book would need to be bought, no? And is trading Connected for MW dependent on a card, or is it an action from a game location? Still working out how all the different areas have changed now that the PoSI stuff is unlocked.
-- Mal
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 suinicide Posts: 2409
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The trading connected for waves is on the same card that gives notability. If you have enough making waves you can force draw this card at your lodgings, under attend to matters of society and scandal. Its the long title with slowcakes in it. I've also heard that the connection trade a pretty bad deal.
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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 Suhe Gul Posts: 200
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The trading connected for waves is on the same card that gives notability. If you have enough making waves you can force draw this card at your lodgings, under attend to matters of society and scandal. Its the long title with slowcakes in it. I've also heard that the connection trade a pretty bad deal.
Trading for making waves at slowcakes card is not a sensible choice. it will take away 4000 cp of your connected and the MW it gives is definitely not worth it. Set up a salon and trade your connection plus favour in highplaces. salon helps a lot to get notability because you convert your connections to scheme which doesn't decrease each week like MW. Then you trade whole chunk of it for a lot of making waves. so you can prepare from weeks before. without the duchess option in the salon it would have been impossible after notability 12 even with top BDR. Also that book is required even if you get your first point as a gift, of course not for that first point but to get the second point. You can get it from the card for 27,5 echos and from the bazaar for 30 echos so not worth waiting for the card. edited by suhe gul on 12/1/2015
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/suhe%20gul I am open to social actions except affluent photographer and loitering. Correspondent and willing to make orphanage calls. Want a sip of cider? http://community.failbettergames.com/topic20425-want-a-sip-of-hesperidean-cider-heres-how.aspx
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 Charlotte_de_Witte Posts: 360
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In terms of areas changing for PoSI also don't forget about the Unfinished Business stories in the original four areas. Another advantage of reaching PoSI - looks to be lots of low level items rewarded with these.
-- "Do one thing for me, Sredni Vashtar."
Social actions welcome. Only, send me dupes if you need help with the Affluent Photographer please, I like the bats! [And boxed kitties, and extreme gardening]- Thank-you!
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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Also used to advance Airs of London for sending Christmas cards. But some of those stat checks are pretty tough! Back to failing once in awhile!
-- Mal
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 Charlotte_de_Witte Posts: 360
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I used Black Ribbon training to do that. Was doing that anyway so it worked out nicely. I also like how sending the cards changes airs as well, that helped with a few of them.
-- "Do one thing for me, Sredni Vashtar."
Social actions welcome. Only, send me dupes if you need help with the Affluent Photographer please, I like the bats! [And boxed kitties, and extreme gardening]- Thank-you!
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Charlotte%20de%20Witte
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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Forgot about the training, that would be useful. I have a lot of the '79 lying around, so I just traded it for prisoner's honey, which is a lot more useful. I wonder if Casing changes the airs? Nope, just checked.
I'm probably going to go for God's Editors first of all, as the card has come up in my hand. That will mean giving the Duchess her bloody rats and performing a Great Work. Fortunately, I have a Mood card to make the writing go more smoothly. Are there any categories of story the Church frowns on? I wouldn't want to lock myself out of the Editors by writing the wrong thing.
-- Mal edited by malthaussen on 12/1/2015 edited by malthaussen on 12/1/2015
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 lady ciel Posts: 2548
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God's Editors like any story except a Tale of the Future.
-- ciel
Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things.
No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible.
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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Where do I see what my Notability is? I know what it is now, having just gotten it to 2, but I'm sure in future it's something I'll want to know. I don't see it under Story, although it is not impossible my eyes are glazed over.
-- Mal
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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malthaussen wrote:
Where do I see what my Notability is? I know what it is now, having just gotten it to 2, but I'm sure in future it's something I'll want to know. I don't see it under Story, although it is not impossible my eyes are glazed over.
-- Mal It is on the sidebar to the left (where stats and menaces are), near the bottom.
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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I am not interested in an NPC spouse, although I am aware there are advantages to same. But the courtship cards keep turning up in my deck. If I were to start Being Seen with another player, would that cull those cards? And a secondary question of mechanics, can one Be Seen with more than one player at the same time? Or is being Seen With tantamount to Going Steady or even Engagement?
-- Mal edited by malthaussen on 12/2/2015
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 Grenem Posts: 2067
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malthaussen wrote:
I am not interested in an NPC spouse, although I am aware there are advantages to same. But the courtship cards keep turning up in my deck. If I were to start Being Seen with another player, would that cull those cards?
-- Mal edited by malthaussen on 12/2/2015 just select the cards, do the option. it'll get rid of the card from the deck, and if you ever decide to proceed, you can do it in the sidestreets. this applies to all of the gold-bordered posi cards.. except, maybe, the one that unlocks a secret area. All the others, though, are only step one of the process. they're just ads, so to speak, to make you aware of what you can aquire. edited by Grenem on 12/2/2015
-- Married!:http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/takuza I will accept all social actions that do not consume free evenings- and i will provide patronage to anyone who requests it, though it will be split between all requesters. On psudeo-hiatus. Will be inactive and active and fluctuate without warning. Grinding Favors without cards: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22266-storylet-favors-grinding.aspx
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Now you're a PoSI, build either a Salon or Orphamnaghe after you have build "A Handsome Townhouse" The orphanage pretty much takes echoes (or buying Orphan Companions to feed to it) to make MW, while the Salon side uses either Society or Bohemian at connected ranks of 50 (society at a regular amount and Bohemian at a wildly varying range of course) to bump up its value until you can trade it in for around 150 CP of MW more of less depending on which option you choose (player professions are best because they guarantee a set middle value and no failure.) Once the MW is high enough, you either draw or force draw (society section Lodgings) Slowcake's card and up Notability. Of course to reduce the MW value, equipping as many BDR items at the highest total value is done. Thus the Notability rat race begins. With what's been discussed getting, it's doable to get up to 3 points of Notability to start, and if you have gotten a four card lodgings, even get a five card lodgings at a reduced cost for Sackmass/Wicket! If not there yet, there are plenty of options like remote lodgings, long boxes and tons of other things for the starting player. (Excess lacre can even be used in the Nadir.) edited by the truthseeker on 12/2/2015
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 Lady Taimi Felix Posts: 202
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malthaussen wrote:
And a secondary question of mechanics, can one Be Seen with more than one player at the same time? Or is being Seen With tantamount to Going Steady or even Engagement?
One can indeed be 'seen with' more than one person, even after being married, if that's your thing. There is an 'official' betrothal stage after you choose to propose/accept a proposal, which unlocks the wedding preparations. As has been commented upon very recently here on the forums, once you wed there currently isn't anything to do with your spouse and the dates now available close off, so unless it is someone you enjoy roleplaying with, it is, to my mind, currently more advantageous to stay 'seen with' or 'engaged'. I know more activities for spouses (as well as divorces) are on FBG's very long to-do list, but it will be two years since the wedding mechanic was introduced come the Feast of the Exceptional Rose, so things may not change any time soon.
-- Lady Taimi Felix: Devoted Wife. Invisible Eminence. Patron of the Shadowy Arts. Monster Hunter. Lady of Adventure. Exceptionally Lethal. Loves a Good Chat over Coffee.
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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Thanks, Lady Taimi. I can't figure why FBG doesn't just unlock the dates for married couples, at least as a stopgap. One doesn't stop going to dinner or movies after he's wed, after all. At least, not if he wants to stay wed. Looks like the Romantic options are a nice way to burn Free Evenings for a few assorted rewards. And the MW, of course. No doubt somebody has run the numbers on what the opportunity cost/payoff ratio is.
-- Mal edited by malthaussen on 12/2/2015
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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 Kaigen Posts: 530
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Assuming the wiki values are accurate and that all outcomes are equally weighted, it's fairly profitable for the sender, but not so much for the receiver. If you alternate, it averages out to somewhere in the vicinity of 1.725 epa. Better than the Affair of the Box, though you have to burn Free Evenings. Making Waves gain is not as good as private dinners.
-- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch.
"One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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 malthaussen Posts: 1060
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I took a friend to Dante's Grille just now. Well, we both had 16 MW, and she's not doing anything with hers -- and as I expected, having served as lunch before, her MW went down to 8, but I only received 2 MW in return. Does the RNG come into play at these dinners? Ten echoes for 2 lousy MW is no cost-effective trade, however delightful the company. Are Private Dinners a better choice than Dante's, then, for MW also? No 10 quid opportunity cost would seem to make a bit of a difference.
A separate question, in reference to BDR. One assumes there are three values for a reason. Is it considered best to have as nearly equal quantities of B, D, and R as possible? Does a greater quantity of one open a door or unlock an opportunity than would an equal amount spread out? Or does it not matter much in the end? It is of some consequence when getting things such as transport... which reminds me, can one have both a sedan chair and a landau?
-- Mal edited by malthaussen on 12/2/2015 edited by malthaussen on 12/3/2015
-- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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