Xane Al-Rahibi
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11/23/2015
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Xane has risen greatly through the ranks of hell, and somehow has achieved an "An Intimate of Devils" quality of seventeen without having his soul forcibly removed from his body. What he would like to know is this: what are the downsides to not having a soul? What actions does it lock you out of? What new actions does it unlock?
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Sestina Valdis
Posts: 210
11/23/2015
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As Summerset folk are rather bigoted, I recall that having a soul or not influences whether you are able to attend Summerset College's feast at the University (if you are still involved in running the Terms there.) It hasn't quite hindered my progress in any way otherwise... I don't think that's something very big to miss out on, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh, and you get a pretty delicious option on the Capering Relicker card without a soul. (I miss that option...)
Also, note that there are options for getting your soul back. My character has followed through with one of them. However, none of them are very convenient. Some involve Fate. Either that, or one should prove very lucky with Surprise Packages.
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Optimatum
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11/23/2015
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Specifically you get your soul back through a Bundle of Oddities with value 200. Surprise packages go up to 1008 so can provide greater rewards but are not very reliable. The easier persuasive check on the Your Public card is the best repeatable way I know of, on success giving a Bundle with values up to 220.
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11/24/2015
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Besides the Benthic no love for the Soulless, you cannot "Talk About Something Else" with the Chamberlin if Soulless in Counting the Days. If done with the University (but it is then more difficult to regain your soul back, see below,) this is the only "penalty" that regularly is an issue. The Relicer as noted before, gives a nice reward additional option instead of penalty for being soulless
Some Exceptional Stories (or fate Locked stories) could have Soulless blocked paths or only be open on certain paths if Soulless. I'll leave it to other members to list them if any are applicable (with just the names of the stories (and no further details as it's Fate-locked)
I'll say that even if interested in selling your Soul, and not spending Fate for the Soul Trade, the Sackmass Devils Connection card option is much more profitable than the normal Intimate with Devils option. (But again, the best thing is to spend the Fate and play the Soul trade and get that other "What Profit" card drawn as a PoSI.)
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Specifically you get your soul back through a Bundle of Oddities with value 200. Surprise packages go up to 1008 so can provide greater rewards but are not very reliable. The easier persuasive check on the Your Public card is the best repeatable way I know of, on success giving a Bundle with values up to 220.
Specifically, the closest option is if you draw the The One's Public card and choose Speak for a little while and ask them to disperse (1-200 exactly range, but if the wiki is not accurate and it is 220, then the below is a closer range.)
If looking for a non-draw option like the Urchins used to offer, the closest option is if you are (still) investigating in the University.
Should you have ended the "frivolous carousel" term at the University (where being soulless means you have alternate bitter options at Benthic while on the term,) and started your murder investigation, The student body has a 1-204 Bundle of Oddities for those who wish their soul back "fishing" chance and have not maxed out that term Passing. Should you sell your soul (and again, the best option is for those who buy the Soul Trade Fate-Locked story and get the "What profit" card for a 300+ echo option should you be a PoSI,) this is the quickest non-fate constant non-card draw way to recover it.
Should you have left the University "carousel," and don't want to wait for the One's Public in a large card standard pool, the next closest option is the at zee random card draw "Those engines don't sound healthy" Hoist the black flag (Tramp Steamer or better ship) option (unlimited draw attempts as long as you have turns to go through the cards,) with a 1-300 chance. As noted, this is an additional 100 range however. The only other option is to build up supplies for an Fate-locked Temple of Uttermost Wind Expedition with a treasure value of at Least 60 and can go beyond the 161 high end value (and the fate-locked options while having a bigger range, start out with a higher minimum number, but getting 200 this way is not as easy as the free 1-200 options even if harder to draw if not in the University.)
I hope this answers your question and gives you several options you might have not known before.
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Optimatum
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11/24/2015
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If the wiki says that Bundle range is 1-200 then it almost certainly is. I mostly get my information of the wiki so any discrepancies are due to poor memory.
...wait, you can get your soul back through expeditions? Or are you confusing the Unpredictable Treasure quality with Opening a Bundle of Oddities?
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MadmanAtW
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11/24/2015
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A couple of things to add- the Hoist the Black Flag option does raise menaces, so you will have to spend some time getting your suspicion back down after doing that a bunch of times.
Also, one option missing from the above list is "Wolfstack in the Fog", drawn only in Wolfstack Docks. Its options are Airs dependent, but if "Crying His Wares" is available, click through there and use "A Little Extortion". Small drop in Docks, and a bundle with range 1-300.
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Optimatum
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11/24/2015
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Wolfstack in the Fog is a Rare card if I remember right so it's not at all reliable. So not only do you need to draw this special card but you need the right airs value for that option which gives a bundle with a lower chance of getting your soul.
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11/25/2015
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Optimatum wrote:
Wolfstack in the Fog is a Rare card if I remember right so it's not at all reliable. So not only do you need to draw this special card but you need the right airs value for that option which gives a bundle with a lower chance of getting your soul.
Short of camping there for things like Black Ribbon or Procuring beasts, it's just not worth drawing there for the rare Wolfstack card, when other options with that increased range are much easier to get. This is why I didn't list it when comparing common soul draw options.
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Optimatum
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11/25/2015
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There are also definitely better places to camp for rare cards. Skin of the Bazaar in the Sidestreets can raise SotC pretty high or finish SFiG; Ladybones, Spite, and Veilgarden have rare cards that give you a unique pet; the Lodgings has a fairly profitable card. Not to mention the common profitable location-specific cards such as trading in favors in the Flit.
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Sara Hysaro
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11/25/2015
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Wolfstack in the Fog is a Standard frequency card. The two Rare cards in Wolfstack Docks are Bonfire of the Decencies and The battle hymn of the Drownies.
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navchaa
Posts: 561
11/25/2015
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Seeing as there's still a little time left till Christmas, should I sell my soul using the intimate of devils route so they never bother me again? Or do I wait to draw the special Sacksmas option to get night whispers and storm threnodies instead? Will this latter option also remove the pesky devils who cross into my personal space?
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Sara Hysaro
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11/25/2015
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It's up to you. Selling your soul to another devil will certainly be more profitable than selling it to the Intimate Devils, but you'll continue to receive the Intimate Devil cards once you've reclaimed your soul. If you're already intimate you'll probably draw a card during your soulless period that will reset your Intimate of Devils quality to 0, so it could be an easy way to get that down if it's up there, but unless you then tank your Hell connections you'll still get the first card that starts the whole thing off.
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navchaa
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11/25/2015
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So no matter what you do, the card that starts off the whole Intimate of Devils storyline will always be there? I was under the impression from somewhere else in the forum that if you lose your soul on that route, they will never want to be intimate with you again. But only if you sell your soul through the route, and not using the other cards. Now that you say that they will always hound you, I'm don't think I'll even bother.
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It's up to you. Selling your soul to another devil will certainly be more profitable than selling it to the Intimate Devils, but you'll continue to receive the Intimate Devil cards once you've reclaimed your soul. If you're already intimate you'll probably draw a card during your soulless period that will reset your Intimate of Devils quality to 0, so it could be an easy way to get that down if it's up there, but unless you then tank your Hell connections you'll still get the first card that starts the whole thing off.
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Sara Hysaro
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11/25/2015
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Oh, no no no - I mean that if you sell it to other devils they'll always come back after you get your soul back. If you sell it to the Intimate Devils they'll never come back - you'll hit 20 Intimate of Devils and that's the end of the storyline. The card I mentioned only shows up if your Intimate of Devils quality is lower than 20 while soulless.
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11/25/2015
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Yes, if you are soulless [spoiler]they stop seeing you. Yes, I know, shocking; all they care about is getting your soul, (and then they toss it in some pile and forget about it.)[/spoiler]
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John Savage
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11/25/2015
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the truthseeker wrote:
Yes, if you are soulless [spoiler]they stop seeing you. Yes, I know, shocking; all they care about is getting your soul, (and then they toss it in some pile and forget about it.)[/spoiler]
Ever since that beguiling S-o-B took half my stash of souls to show me a way into the Forgotten Quarter only to leave me there without skills or supplies, I have learned not to trust devils....
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11/25/2015
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John Savage wrote:
the truthseeker wrote:
Yes, if you are soulless [spoiler]they stop seeing you. Yes, I know, shocking; all they care about is getting your soul, (and then they toss it in some pile and forget about it.)[/spoiler]
Ever since that beguiling S-o-B took half my stash of souls to show me a way into the Forgotten Quarter only to leave me there without skills or supplies, I have learned not to trust devils....
To be fair, I trust devils will raise my Hedonism slightly and my Suspicion completely, (and can make a great companion should I be Fated to do so in their Embassy,) but not much else.
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navchaa
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11/26/2015
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OK, so my goal is to sell my soul for the highest price possible (am assuming that that would be for the night whisper/storm threnody package), AND for them to quit bothering me about getting intimate with them. So the best solution is to lose my soul twice? I.e. cash it in once for NW/ST, regain it and keep drawing the intimates card, then lose it again just to get rid of them. I was hoping to only lose my soul once since I haven't finished the university storyline yet.
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Oh, no no no - I mean that if you sell it to other devils they'll always come back after you get your soul back. If you sell it to the Intimate Devils they'll never come back - you'll hit 20 Intimate of Devils and that's the end of the storyline. The card I mentioned only shows up if your Intimate of Devils quality is lower than 20 while soulless.
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Sara Hysaro
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11/26/2015
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You can't have both results with only one soul sale, alas. Either you sell it for a good price or you sell it to the Intimate Devils to get rid of them for good. Can't do both without losing your soul twice. Personally I would just go for the good price if you're not already heavily involved with the Intimate Devils since getting rid of the first card just requires you to keep your Hell connection under 3.
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navchaa
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11/26/2015
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Thank you, Sara!
I'm a collector and keep all my connections at 50 and above (not sure why though!), so I'll just have to sell my soul again later to get rid of them. I can't believe how cavalier I'm being about it now, seeing as I've been hanging on so tight to it till now. This is so true to my mercenary lawful neutral soul.
Sara Hysaro wrote:
You can't have both results with only one soul sale, alas. Either you sell it for a good price or you sell it to the Intimate Devils to get rid of them for good. Can't do both without losing your soul twice. Personally I would just go for the good price if you're not already heavily involved with the Intimate Devils since getting rid of the first card just requires you to keep your Hell connection under 3.
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