Kylestien
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11/22/2015
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Okay, so I'm married in game to another player. And I know a lot of you are too. But I'd like to see more marriage options in the game myself.
if you have a idea maybe share them here?
One me and said player had was the ability to share certain things. I'm not sure how best to explain, but if for example, say one of you had a Zub and the other has a Yauct, you can have the cards and options for both appear when Zailing.
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Kivrin Neverwinter
Posts: 86
11/26/2015
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Well, I'm not married yet, on account of the fact that my betrothed and I both have expensive tastes-
actually, that's a lie; she'd have been happy to elope. I demanded the full St. Fiacre's, and it'll be a year or so before the banns are read. Such is life.
In terms of post-nuptial activities, I'd personally appreciate an option to write to one's beloved while at Zee. I go zailing all the time, she spends her days in London having all kinds of adventures- and I sometimes wish there was an option to write to each other about these things. I wouldn't mind a cost of several actions (it takes time for mail to arrive!), and the spouse on land could receive Zee-Ztories or second chances etc. Meanwhile, a Zee-faring spouse could receive some kind of menace-lowering bonus when they read a letter from home. It's another idea, at least!
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/23/2015
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Just because I love to cite historical sources, here is a relevant article from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrimonial_Causes_Act_1857
And here is one from the Victorian Web: http://www.victorianweb.org/gender/varma.html
In game terms, since the devs appear to have taken steps to clean up acquaintanceships that have lapsed due to a character retiring, it should not be too much to hope that they might undertake some relief for those saddled with absent spouses (spice?).
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
11/22/2015
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I'm going to use some of the info I found in this site and try to adapt it to the existing FBG system.
first let's discuss what FBG did right:
* Lore - marriage was probably one of the most tiring yet most rewarding stories in London. It is ripe of delicious secrets and have a lot of roleplaying potential.
* "Realism" - I had a lot of experience in helping my friends with their weddings during the time that this mechanic was introduced and I found that the amount of stress and spent resources that you pour into this venture is quite close to the real thing.
next, how we can improve it:
* CP bonus for Social Actions used together, say a chess game with your partner will give 1.25x Watchful CP as a opposed to 1x one for non-partners
* Optional divorce especially if the other partner deactivates/abandon their account (this is really sad and easily abused though so I"m totally fine with FBG implementing a steep price for re-marrying like how you need to spend a 62.50 echo item to get a new Closest To Faction).
* Wedding clothing/ items which can unlock extra lore during or after marriage. A Wedding gown made from Ivory Organza anyone? 
* More NPC's available for marriage. The Model and the Thief are nice partners but let's just say that certain companions make promising spouses.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/26/2015
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A honeymoon would be nice, eh? What's the 'Neath's equivalent to Niagra Falls?
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Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards.
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Sestina Valdis
Posts: 210
11/22/2015
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Oh, that'd be pretty sweet! Not sure if that'd mess up balance, but it'd be a nice thing to be able to share items.
I think most people are going to suggest divorce. =X There was another thread about it, I believe.
But anyway, on a related note, I've always wondered why people can't zail together-- it would open up a whole lot more RP possibilities, even if one ignores the 'practical' ingame benefits-- but I'd imagine that it'd be really tough to implement and would probably screw up lots of things balance-wise. Still, if it's at all possible, that'd be wicked awesome. =)
Being able to conceive or adopt a child, as in Sunless Sea, might be interesting! (Could have tie-ins with the Daughter fate-locked storylets and endings as well.)
Also, maybe the creation of some joint items? The wedding grind is painful, but I think it'd be nice to be able to invest in some more joint items together; it's a good concept.
However, I think these options should be open to those with NPC spouses as well, somehow. I've always wondered about this: is the system deliberately built such that getting players to get together is more advantageous than having NPC spouses (e.g. the higher stats benefits, sans Rubbery Consort which is fate-locked)? Are the devs trying to foster more player interaction?
Not sure if I'm giving suggestions or fantasising about possibilities, but take it however you will!
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
11/26/2015
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Kivrin Neverwinter wrote:
Well, I'm not married yet, on account of the fact that my betrothed and I both have expensive tastes-
actually, that's a lie; she'd have been happy to elope. I demanded the full St. Fiacre's, and it'll be a year or so before the banns are read. Such is life.
In terms of post-nuptial activities, I'd personally appreciate an option to write to one's beloved while at Zee. I go zailing all the time, she spends her days in London having all kinds of adventures- and I sometimes wish there was an option to write to each other about these things. I wouldn't mind a cost of several actions (it takes time for mail to arrive!), and the spouse on land could receive Zee-Ztories or second chances etc. Meanwhile, a Zee-faring spouse could receive some kind of menace-lowering bonus when they read a letter from home. It's another idea, at least!
Nice idea!
How about giving a Sulky Bat its freedom in exchange for an overzee letter? Due to the cheapness of the pet (40 p) and potential complications with the flavor of various islands, the batty couriers can only work in the zee itself. As for menace reduction, I suggest that the letter affects Troubled Waters and Approaching Journey's End instead to keep the zee flavor.
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Kylestien
Posts: 749
11/26/2015
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So anyone else got a few ideas?
One I had is things that complement each other. For example, if your spouse is a member of the CVR they can try and find your soul, if they are a Sprifer they can get you both a good price for it, and if you are one and they are the other you can set up a effective tag team of doing which one you want and either sharing in the profit or the exaultation from society.
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11/23/2015
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Pyrodinium wrote:
malthaussen wrote:
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At the least, one should be able to do with one's spouse what he did with his beloved, and there should be some mechanism for divorce, even if it does require an Act of Parliament.
-- Mal
I just remembered reading from TVTropes that one of the reasons that you can tell a certain NPC why you are Seeking Mr. Eaten's Name is that it's "cheaper than divorce". As such, I suggest that a new quest called "Seeking Baseborn & Fowlingpiece's Services" be created for divorces.
Seven are the divorce papers that you need to sign.
edited by Pyrodinium on 11/23/2015
edited by Pyrodinium on 11/23/2015
I'd rather lose my Soul to a Devil than a Lawyer. Much more profitable! 
Seriously, we players need more marriage/divorce options.
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
11/22/2015
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I seek the embrace of a burly man (+1 Dangerous)
Others prefer a spell in darkness (+1 Shadowy)
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
11/22/2015
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Not familiar with LonelyGirl15 or Second Life myself, for a brief moment I thought your username was LonelyGirl15.
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Kylestien
Posts: 749
11/27/2015
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I think Port Carnelian would be a great place for a holiday if you are in goof with the locals.
But yeah, a honeymoon would be nice.
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Gonen
Posts: 817
11/27/2015
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Psyche Labyrinth wrote:
These are all wonderful ideas, though I'm not sure if I would get married even if they were to be introduced to the game. I want to, yes, however none of the current (non fate locked and NPC) options are of any interest to me.
Alas, we cannot marry ANY NPC. Fate-locked or otherwise. That is MY wish - to be able to experience the journey and grinding towards the best wedding ever with a NPC.
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Parelle
Posts: 1084
11/28/2015
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Having gotten married very young (probably the third thing I did as a POSI), it's the card which counts. You know, the one which now gives criminal favors and diamonds... So as someone who doesn't know, there isn't anything you do once you're married, right?
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
11/23/2015
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malthaussen wrote:
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At the least, one should be able to do with one's spouse what he did with his beloved, and there should be some mechanism for divorce, even if it does require an Act of Parliament.
-- Mal
I just remembered reading from TVTropes that one of the reasons that you can tell a certain NPC why you are Seeking Mr. Eaten's Name is that it's "cheaper than divorce". As such, I suggest that a new quest called "Seeking Baseborn & Fowlingpiece's Services" be created for divorces.
Seven are the divorce papers that you need to sign.
edited by Pyrodinium on 11/23/2015
edited by Pyrodinium on 11/23/2015
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John Savage
Posts: 198
11/22/2015
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malthaussen wrote:
I got married in Second Life, which has quite open-ended player interactions. It's possible to have as large or small a wedding as one wishes, limited only by the number of one's acquaintances. And there are some spectacular venues in SL despite the rather decrepit engine. But SL is a true MMORPG, whereas in FL the social actions seem to be much more limited.
At the least, one should be able to do with one's spouse what he did with his beloved, and there should be some mechanism for divorce, even if it does require an Act of Parliament.
-- Mal
Is SL still a thing? I was wondering about that..... I haven't revisited SL since the LonelyGirl15 days..... Wow!
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John Savage
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11/22/2015
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
Not familiar with LonelyGirl15 or Second Life myself, for a brief moment I thought your username was LonelyGirl15.
LOL
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Estelle Knoht
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11/22/2015
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How was your experience with these type of things? All the stories I heard about Second Life were inevitably along the lines of weird cybering pandemonium, but I assume you probably have a different experience.
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John Savage
Posts: 198
11/22/2015
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malthaussen wrote:
I was/am a resident of the Steamlands, specifically Caledon, which is a very pleasant place. It is true that SL has a bad rap, with many salacious stories to be told, and the mainland areas are often terrible. But along with the Gorean paradises and vampiric territories, there are pockets where culture and courtesy flourish. I enjoyed myself a lot there (the opportunities for role-playing and social interaction are great), but kind of lost heart when my in-game wife decided to stop playing. Since it's free, it's worth a look, but the hardware demands are non-trivial. It can be a real time-sink, though. And some of the venues are downright majestic.
-- Mal
Years ago there were quite a few places that featured live music.... a few touring bands I was working with at the time considered setting up an SL presence... but over time the live music became average folks doing poor karaoke... and I quit going.
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Agatha Kizmesis
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11/23/2015
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Pyrodinium wrote:
I'm going to use some of the info I found in this site and try to adapt it to the existing FBG system.
first let's discuss what FBG did right:
* Lore - marriage was probably one of the most tiring yet most rewarding stories in London. It is ripe of delicious secrets and have a lot of roleplaying potential.
* "Realism" - I had a lot of experience in helping my friends with their weddings during the time that this mechanic was introduced and I found that the amount of stress and spent resources that you pour into this venture is quite close to the real thing.
next, how we can improve it:
* CP bonus for Social Actions used together, say a chess game with your partner will give 1.25x Watchful CP as a opposed to 1x one for non-partners
* Optional divorce especially if the other partner deactivates/abandon their account (this is really sad and easily abused though so I"m totally fine with FBG implementing a steep price for re-marrying like how you need to spend a 62.50 echo item to get a new Closest To Faction).
* Wedding clothing/ items which can unlock extra lore during or after marriage. A Wedding gown made from Ivory Organza anyone?
* More NPC's available for marriage. The Model and the Thief are nice partners but let's just say that certain companions make promising spouses.
I definitely agree with the divorce option. I want my husband from a previously deleted account to be able to move on... and to have that out if I need it.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/22/2015
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I got married in Second Life, which has quite open-ended player interactions. It's possible to have as large or small a wedding as one wishes, limited only by the number of one's acquaintances. And there are some spectacular venues in SL despite the rather decrepit engine. But SL is a true MMORPG, whereas in FL the social actions seem to be much more limited.
At the least, one should be able to do with one's spouse what he did with his beloved, and there should be some mechanism for divorce, even if it does require an Act of Parliament.
-- Mal
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Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards.
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Gerald Edgerton
Posts: 127
11/30/2015
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While "spouse" is the one space on my equipment screen(s) I choose to leave blank, since the only BDR-relevant choice is not one I choose to embrace, it seems a heavy thing to allow a player to COMMIT their character to somebody who for whom their affections might wane, or who might up and leave them for the Surface, though never releasing them from their vows.
At the same time, it's quite an interesting feeling when I grow fond of reading somebody's posts, only for a quick glance at their profile to confirm that she's "married." A vague sense of "well, I suppose that's to be expected," with the knowledge that they are not to be pursued. That feeling would be hard to replace fully in a world with divorce.
And it makes sense that certain figures in the Neath would be keen on the institution of marriage.
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12/1/2015
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Gonen wrote:
Psyche Labyrinth wrote:
These are all wonderful ideas, though I'm not sure if I would get married even if they were to be introduced to the game. I want to, yes, however none of the current (non fate locked and NPC) options are of any interest to me.
Alas, we cannot marry ANY NPC. Fate-locked or otherwise. That is MY wish - to be able to experience the journey and grinding towards the best wedding ever with a NPC.
What are you talking about?
I wed the Jewel Thief, and the Artist is the other option. Have you checked the Side Streets?
And BTW, (Boneless) "consort" is another term used for wife (even if not lawfully wed, appropriate for forbidden romances here,) for those willing to spend 100 fate for a Peculiar...Personal Enhancement. You know, kind of like how "Spouse" is?
Should I wish divorce for any NPC, it will cost me a Legal document (and a lot of woe I expect.) Player Characters however get no divorce options and no NPC-like cards.
No, you don't get the "plan a wedding" player grind/reward, but you do wed them!
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Erika
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12/1/2015
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Fun fact, getting a Boneless Consort only costs about 20 Fate. I can't go into details because Fate spoilers, but yeah.
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Psyche Labyrinth
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11/27/2015
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These are all wonderful ideas, though I'm not sure if I would get married even if they were to be introduced to the game. I want to, yes, however none of the current (non fate locked and NPC) options are of any interest to me. I wish there was a bit more diversity amongst the characters. Perhaps a non white option such as that admiral (whose name is currently slipping my mind). There are plenty of diverse faces in the Neath and yet we are confined to marrying only a handful of cookie cutter characters should we be averse to making unions with other players.
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