MidnightVoyager
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11/13/2015
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Oh, I didn't realize siding with someone else on the SECOND choice would change who I toasted. Oh well, hopefully I can change that later? I just did it for the stats...
Anyway, I also wanted to do something different with the shroud/glass, but I can't find a way to cozy up with the glass now.
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Ishmael Finkenstein
Posts: 10
11/13/2015
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Optimatum wrote:
If you aren't stat-capped in Shadowy I'd highly recommend redoing all the early content for the massive CP gains. Shadowy is definitely less grindy than Dangerous; I managed getting from Whispered in Darkness 1 to 5 with one candle's worth of actions or so.
Thank you and Ridagoth for your answers. To be honest, I do not care too much about the change points, but more about my personal experience. And I only play one candle a day, on average, so if I redid it all from the beginning, and most of the content was the same, it could mean a few boring weeks ahead of me. On the other hand, I would love to earn my own penny dreadful (and not just receive it because I chose to go in at a later tier). So maybe I will redo it all from the beginning anyway. I guess I will have to think about it some more.
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Ridagoth
Posts: 86
11/13/2015
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Ishmael Finkenstein wrote:
Thank you and Ridagoth for your answers. To be honest, I do not care too much about the change points, but more about my personal experience. And I only play one candle a day, on average, so if I redid it all from the beginning, and most of the content was the same, it could mean a few boring weeks ahead of me. On the other hand, I would love to earn my own penny dreadful (and not just receive it because I chose to go in at a later tier). So maybe I will redo it all from the beginning anyway. I guess I will have to think about it some more.
No problem, it might take more time the further back you go but there should be some new stuff here and there like the Toast, A Lofty Invitation and Penny Dreadful, though it may get tedious if you recall more often than not. The Penny Dreadful mostly relates to how you approach the many thefts you did while raising your Master Thief status up to 5 in Flit. Depending on where it is right now, it can be a lot or little grinding. Before the tracker, mine was at 2, and it kept it at 2 (since it keeps the Master Thief quality you had if it's below 5) so I had a head start in the grind. The moment I raised it to 5, I was automatically taken to the Penny Dreadful branch to decide how my tales were portrayed. Once you pick a Penny Dreadful, you raise your Whispered in Darkness from 4 to 5, then you can do the Heist, followed by Wars of Illusion. Whichever decision you make, just stick through it, you'll get it done. If you really remember a lot about the Careworn Journalist tale, skip to tier 2, and if you remember a lot about Area-Diving, skip to tier 3. It's your call, go far back as much as you care too, you'll eventually end up to things you really like to do such as the Heist in due time. 
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suinicide
Posts: 2409
11/14/2015
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Last time I went through the wars of illusion, I ended up making a choice without knowing much about the sides. Was there something I missed, such as an opportunity card or some sort of storylet besides the cats/bats?
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Ridagoth
Posts: 86
11/14/2015
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suinicide wrote:
Last time I went through the wars of illusion, I ended up making a choice without knowing much about the sides. Was there something I missed, such as an opportunity card or some sort of storylet besides the cats/bats?
As far as the tracker is concerned, you just work with cats/bats through the storylets until Wars of Illusion hits 9, then you move on with another Toast event and that's all (the final Toast event pushes Whispered in Darkness from 6 to 7). After that, you can choose to progress the War unrelated to the tracker. There is an opportunity to play both sides for a while before you commit (all through storylets), which should help with understanding their positions more, Glass vs Shroud.
Now, one thing that is concerning me is that the wikia lists side-content one can do when their Wars of Illusion is 10-15 through opportunity cards, and I am unsure if this is retired content. I am currently at Wars of Illusion 10 and I am giving it a chance if such an opportunity card exists to begin the side content (it may or may not help understand the sides more), but I may email support to find out.
Update: I found the card, so it's still active! I'll try to report back my thoughts on it when I get far in the card portion of it!
Overall, I don't think there is a better way to know both sides unless you hit the rare successes when investigating Bats and Cats while Wars of Illusion is at 6, followed by playing both sides onwards (all through storylets in Flit or Mahogany Hall). Forgive me if this sounds confusing, I am currently in the middle of it (and I never did it before) and mostly inferring from wikia content for the stuff I haven't done yet.
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Shalinoth
Posts: 493
11/14/2015
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For anyone wishing to navigate the least grindy path from an early Shadowy point, there is a strange quirk of the tier choices that grants you Master Thief 1, 4, or 5, depending on the tier you pick. Pick the top tier, for example, and you suddenly have 5 levels in Master Thief (even if like me you had only 1 before this new system came along). After selecting a tier, you're taken to the patches. But rather than select a Toast / Penny Dreadful or whatever it is, you can go into Myself tab and click any item that opens a storylet, then cancel out and you are back in the Tier selection page, with ill-gained Master Thief levels. Now you can select an earlier Tier with sufficient Master Thief that heist grinding is drastically reduced. (I haven't tried very early tiers but I think some of them might strip your Master Thief levels back down to 1. If this happens you can just Myself-tab/Cancel-out and reselect a higher Tier to regain those 5 levels.)
Disclaimer: This likely qualifies as a bug and isn't intended as natural gameplay progress, even for veteran players.
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shapjul
Posts: 48
11/14/2015
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
It seems to stick around forever afterwards.
This is about area diving and I just wanted to make this into a question. Area diving DOES seem to just stick around. Does that mean I am not done with it? Is there anything you accomplish by revisiting it repeatedly? Qualities seem to reset when you finish. I guess it is a way of pushing up your shadowy quality, but apart from that?
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Ridagoth
Posts: 86
11/14/2015
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shapjul wrote:
This is about area diving and I just wanted to make this into a question. Area diving DOES seem to just stick around. Does that mean I am not done with it? Is there anything you accomplish by revisiting it repeatedly? Qualities seem to reset when you finish. I guess it is a way of pushing up your shadowy quality, but apart from that?
[spoiler]You are done with it as far as progress with the tracker is concerned. I just did it again and all I got to do was decide what to do with the box again. This will play with your quirks some more but you will not encounter the Broken-Toothed Cracksman afterwards, unlike the first time. I believe it sticks around because in the past, this option was limited within a Shadowy range, so it disappeared once you 'outgrew' it by having more Shadowy outside the range. Now it's unlocked by the tracker progress of Whispered in Darkness 2, and it will not go away even when you finish the tracker at 7. In fact, to be able to repeat it, you need Whispered in Darkness 3, which just means you did it already the first time around. There is no need to do it again unless you want to see the different end texts of what you do with the box, as long as you are okay with the quirk changes as a result. Also, as you said, the shadowy experience is a factor too for grinding. I hope this helps answer your questions![/spoiler]
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metasynthie
Posts: 645
11/16/2015
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Does anyone know if there are any Forceful-increasing choices in the last couple stages of the Shadowy tracker?
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BillyCosmos!
Posts: 30
11/16/2015
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Have the requirements for "dealing with suspicion" in the flit changed as part of this? I reduced my shadowy down to 85 and I still don't see it.
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Ridagoth
Posts: 86
11/17/2015
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metasynthie wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any Forceful-increasing choices in the last couple stages of the Shadowy tracker?
Perusing through the wiki for a bit, it would appear Forceful is not a quirk that is manipulated in this Tracker. Sorry if this is bad news for you.
[spoiler]To slightly elaborate (based on the wiki and personal experience), the two toasts I believe deal with increasing either Steadfast, Heartless, Austere, or Daring. The Penny Dreadful can increase Ruthless, Magnanimous, Daring or Subtle. A Lofty Invitation can increase either Daring, Heartless, Subtle, or Hedonist. I am unsure of The Heart of the Law (Heist ending), I increased Steadfast with my choice, and the wiki has a comment on increasing Ruthless for another choice, but I doubt Forceful will be a quirk increased from the other two. I am unsure on the caps on any of these. I hope this helps, even if it may be bad news.[/spoiler]
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Have the requirements for "dealing with suspicion" in the flit changed as part of this? I reduced my shadowy down to 85 and I still don't see it.
I saw it as well when my Whispered in Darkness was lower (and my Shadowy was around the 130-140s, so it's not stat specific unlike last time), I forgot the exact number. I am done with the tracker at Whispered in Darkness 7 and it is not available to me anymore. Unlike tracker options like Area-Diving in Spite, I believe this option only appears within a certain range of the tracker and disappears when you progress enough in it. I could be wrong but this is my theory at the moment from my own experience with this option. Sorry for the bad news. Perhaps buying and using Nikolas & Sons Instant Ablution Absolution can be an alternative to look into besides using social actions for such a menace. Remember to also draw cards for the The Law's Long Arm for suspicion control too.
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SamNorrey
Posts: 41
11/17/2015
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Ridagoth wrote:
BillyCosmos! wrote:
Have the requirements for "dealing with suspicion" in the flit changed as part of this? I reduced my shadowy down to 85 and I still don't see it.
I saw it as well when my Whispered in Darkness was lower (and my Shadowy was around the 130-140s, so it's not stat specific unlike last time), I forgot the exact number. I am done with the tracker at Whispered in Darkness 7 and it is not available to me anymore. Unlike tracker options like Area-Diving in Spite, I believe this option only appears within a certain range of the tracker and disappears when you progress enough in it. I could be wrong but this is my theory at the moment from my own experience with this option. Sorry for the bad news. Perhaps buying and using Nikolas & Sons Instant Ablution Absolution can be an alternative to look into besides using social actions for such a menace. Remember to also draw cards for the The Law's Long Arm for suspicion control too.
I don't know about this one, but in Spite there's a new option called Opportunism in Spite, which has an airs-dependent option to Confound the Constables, open with 200+ Shadowy. Could be that the Flit one is under The Flit and its King, and also airs-dependent? Anyways, if the Spite one works the same way it used to, it's much better for dealing with suspicion anyway.
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Zareen Bakara
Posts: 66
11/17/2015
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The reorganization of several groups of storylets in the Flit makes it very tedious to repeat them. One has to go via The Heights of Chicaney *every* time ones wants to raise Investigating or Seeking via the Couriers. Similarly, one has to go via The Flit and Its King every single time one wants to race around the Flit. If one wants to repeat these actions several times, a lot of clicking has been added to the previous situation. I understand that it's good to organize the storylets into group (as there are so many options in the Flit once one opens up everything), but is there any way to group them without making one go back to the Flit and reselect the initial group every time?
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Ben
Posts: 657
11/17/2015
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I /think/ I saw it nested inside of "preparing for a big score" or "choosing your target" but I needed a rather high suspicion to open it. The good news is I was able to feed rats to the people until I reached 0 suspicion.
I was doing this with rather high stats so it looks like it might not be stat dependant now?
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Ridagoth
Posts: 86
11/17/2015
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SamNorrey wrote:
I don't know about this one, but in Spite there's a new option called Opportunism in Spite, which has an airs-dependent option to Confound the Constables, open with 200+ Shadowy. Could be that the Flit one is under The Flit and its King, and also airs-dependent? Anyways, if the Spite one works the same way it used to, it's much better for dealing with suspicion anyway.
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That is probably the option I saw with the lower Whispered in Darkness I had, since that unlocks and stays unlocked at Whispered in Darkness 3 at Spite. Nice catch! I probably never saw it again due to my Airs quality. It's somewhat luck based (depending on what Airs you have) to see it but it's reliable enough. I thought I saw one in Flit too (meaning Whispered in Darkness should be 4 or more), but I'll casually test that since it's likely airs dependent too. The Spite one is much more prominent for me since you can easily change the Airs quality in that same storylet of Opportunism in Spite (I know you can also change it easily at Ladybones Road too), so I agree that Spite should be the better option between the two locations.
ICountFrom0 wrote:
I /think/ I saw it nested inside of "preparing for a big score" or "choosing your target" but I needed a rather high suspicion to open it. The good news is I was able to feed rats to the people until I reached 0 suspicion.
I was doing this with rather high stats so it looks like it might not be stat dependant now?
I think I know what you are talking about. In "Choosing your target" there is a suspicion (at 2 or more) option unlocked called "You are being watched" which appears as though it would help lower suspicion but it says it doesn't and so it's just there to take advantage of the menace instead, rather than raising or lowering it. I definitely had high hopes it would lower it. For now, the Spite option based on Airs and having a Whispered in Darkness of 3 or more (I still see it at 7) is a very good alternative as SamNorrey mentioned.
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BillyCosmos!
Posts: 30
11/18/2015
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BillyCosmos! wrote:
Have the requirements for &quotdealing with suspicion&quot in the flit changed as part of this? I reduced my shadowy down to 85 and I still don't see it.
I saw it as well when my Whispered in Darkness was lower (and my Shadowy was around the 130-140s, so it's not stat specific unlike last time), I forgot the exact number. I am done with the tracker at Whispered in Darkness 7 and it is not available to me anymore. Unlike tracker options like Area-Diving in Spite, I believe this option only appears within a certain range of the tracker and disappears when you progress enough in it. I could be wrong but this is my theory at the moment from my own experience with this option. Sorry for the bad news. Perhaps buying and using Nikolas & Sons Instant Ablution Absolution can be an alternative to look into besides using social actions for such a menace. Remember to also draw cards for the The Law's Long Arm for suspicion control too.
Damn, I'm always forgetting to draw those!
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BillyCosmos!
Posts: 30
11/18/2015
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Ridagoth wrote:
SamNorrey wrote:
I don't know about this one, but in Spite there's a new option called Opportunism in Spite, which has an airs-dependent option to Confound the Constables, open with 200+ Shadowy. Could be that the Flit one is under The Flit and its King, and also airs-dependent? Anyways, if the Spite one works the same way it used to, it's much better for dealing with suspicion anyway.
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That is probably the option I saw with the lower Whispered in Darkness I had, since that unlocks and stays unlocked at Whispered in Darkness 3 at Spite. Nice catch! I probably never saw it again due to my Airs quality. It's somewhat luck based (depending on what Airs you have) to see it but it's reliable enough. I thought I saw one in Flit too (meaning Whispered in Darkness should be 4 or more), but I'll casually test that since it's likely airs dependent too. The Spite one is much more prominent for me since you can easily change the Airs quality in that same storylet of Opportunism in Spite (I know you can also change it easily at Ladybones Road too), so I agree that Spite should be the better option between the two locations.
ICountFrom0 wrote:
I /think/ I saw it nested inside of "preparing for a big score" or "choosing your target" but I needed a rather high suspicion to open it. The good news is I was able to feed rats to the people until I reached 0 suspicion.
I was doing this with rather high stats so it looks like it might not be stat dependant now?
I think I know what you are talking about. In "Choosing your target" there is a suspicion (at 2 or more) option unlocked called "You are being watched" which appears as though it would help lower suspicion but it says it doesn't and so it's just there to take advantage of the menace instead, rather than raising or lowering it. I definitely had high hopes it would lower it. For now, the Spite option based on Airs and having a Whispered in Darkness of 3 or more (I still see it at 7) is a very good alternative as SamNorrey mentioned.
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Well, with Whispered 7 and shadowy under 140 I'm not feeling super comfortable about how close I am to going back to Newgate.
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Ridagoth
Posts: 86
11/18/2015
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BillyCosmos! wrote:
Well, with Whispered 7 and shadowy under 140 I'm not feeling super comfortable about how close I am to going back to Newgate.
I would suggest buying the Instant Ablution Absolution (from the Bazaar under Nikolas Pawnbrokers) immediately and using it if your suspicion is really that high. Did you do what SamNorrey talked about and go to Spite and fiddle with the stories in Opportunism in Spite (at the bottom end) until you see 'Confound the Constables' with the right Airs quality? Both will help lower your suspicion even at your shadowy level. Feel free to send many social actions my way and I can make it a priority to help you out too. My profile is at the bottom of my posts as the signature (just click the name).
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Juno
Posts: 63
11/18/2015
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I just noticed that after the change, the http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Waylay_a_weasel-seller storylet no longer appears for me in Spite although I have A Name Whispered in Darkness 7 quality.
Has anyone else noticed the same?
Should I report this as a bug?
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Gemma Hawley
Posts: 55
11/18/2015
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It is now airs-dependent. :P Between that and the changes to the Widow storylets, I've got no reasons to hang about in Spite.
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