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Rupho Schartenhauer
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11/8/2015
A "Short" Guide to Neathmas: (some call it Sackmas...)

This first post will explain the important stories and qualities of the event. The second post will provide information on how best to grind for things you might need.

There are two Fate-locked parts of Sackmas: the Incarnadine Robe and Investigating Mr Sacks with various factions of London. Both will not be discussed here, only hinted at.

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The FL Advent Calendar: simply bookmark this page! smile

Putting the Pieces Together: The Taste of Lacre (ptpt:ttol, or for simplicity's sake, ToL)
What is Lacre? Lacre is Neath-Snow. You'll be snowed in on every Time the Healer visit between Dec 8 and Jan 6. Each time, you can obtain a Pail of So-Called Snow, and you can get two more from Mr Sacks' cards (more on them later). Usually, the Advent Calendar also provides one. Paired with specific ToL-increasing options on the Mr Sacks opportunity cards, those pails should be sufficient to push Taste of Lacre (ToL) high enough to create a Noman and/or buy your favourite lodgings at Penstock's Wicket (between Jan 5 and Jan 31). If you need more ToL, you'll have to buy Pails of Lacre from urchins.

The price for buying Lacre from urchins is 7 Storm-Threnodies + 1 Night-Whisper (this option also requires Renown: Urchins 10 and is only open as long as you have at least 1 ToL!). Coincidentally, you can sell your soul for this exact price during the Christmas season.

Penstock's Wicket? Like Penstock's Land Agency at the Bazaar?
Indeed. A tiny elevator will take you to a place called A Sundered Sea. This is the only time of the year when you can visit this place!

How much ToL do I need?
  • Depends on what you want to do! If you only want a Remote Address, you can get that for ToL 3, no further requirements.
  • If you're looking for a Remote Address and an exclusive 5-card lodgings, you need at least ToL 10 (+ Notability 3). You can get there with your pails from Time the Healer if you're lucky/your SotC is 10 or more. All the 5-card lodgings require Notability 3 (which is then consumed); for the upgrade to a Reservation at the Royal Bethlehem you need ToL 7, for the Brass Embassy Guest Room upgrade ToL 8 (and Your Own Infernal Contract), and for the Premises at the Bazaar upgrade ToL 9.
  • Note that there are other ways to the 5-card lodgings which are open year-round. The Remote Addresses however are only available at Christmas.
  • Note also that the lodgings are not mutually exclusive! If you collect enough ToL you can have them all!
  • There's also the Soothe & Cooper Long-Box which you can get for 5 ToL (6 ToL unlock the storylet). It is worth 62.50 Echoes at the Bazaar, or you can sell it at Wolfstack Docks for 3 Favours: The Docks (up to 7), 50 Echoes and a bonus quality for your Sunless Sea character the first time you do it.
So, how can I get the ToL I need?
  • The first law of dealing with Pails of So-Called Snow: whatever you do with it, the Pail will be consumed, whether what you did was successful or not!
  • Most options to increase ToL with your Snow-Pails are luck-based and capped quite low, while the ToL options on Sacks cards are almost all uncapped.
  • The Semiotic Monocle, Tears of the Bazaar and the Dreadful Surmise are the only items that will help increase your ToL beyond 6: up to 8 with the Monocle, up to 11 with Tears and up to 16 with the Surmise.
  • If you have none of those items, and cannot afford to get them, try to increase ToL to 5 with your Pails of Snow before Mr Sacks comes round (Dec 25). You get one level of ToL for dipping a soul in Lacre, up to ToL 5. Mixing Lacre with a bottle of Broken Giant 1844 and an Extraordinary Implication can get you to ToL 6 if you're lucky (Note again that the pails are always consumed, meaning you need five pails for ToL 5, and at least six pails for ToL 6). Either way, the Mr Sacks opp cards will be your only options to get further than 6.
  • You should be able to get four levels of ToL from Mr Sacks, five if you're a Doctor or Notary. Meaning, even if you're totally unlucky with your Pails, and can't afford any fancy items, you should still be able to afford at least one Remote Address!
  • If you have only the Monocle, you can reach ToL 8 before Mr Sacks comes round. Again, the pails are always consumed, so you need at least four pails for this in total: use the Monocle on one to reach ToL 3, then dip a soul in lacre twice (ToL 4&5), then use the Monocle for the jump from 5 to 8 - you can't use it at ToL 6! Note that this is A Scholar of the Correspondence challenge! You need SotC 6 to unlock it, it's straightforward at SotC 10. If you're below SotC 10 you might fail at the Monocle challenge, melting your Pail and giving you Wounds but no ToL... anyway, once you're at 8, you can still put four or five levels on top of that from Sacks cards. (Here's a different tactic, for a specific goal.)
  • (Another good way to use the Monocle is when rebuilding ToL from scratch after spending it all at Penstock's: you'll need three Pails for this. Use the Monocle option on two Pails (= ToL 6), visit Penstock's and Take the air (-1 ToL), and then use the Monocle again on a third Pail = ToL 8.)
  • With a Dreadful Surmise you can reach ToL 16! It is however a very difficult Dangerous challenge, difficult enough to make it worth saving a Mood card in your hand for this option! If you're lucky enough to have a Surmise, don't fret: it is safe. Even if you fail at the relevant action, the Surmise won't be devoured. The Pails, of course, are consumed, but you get an Antique Mystery on top if you're successful.
The 12 Days of Mr Sacks: Starting on Dec 25, Mr Sacks will appear 12 times in your opportunity deck, on cards named "Day 1" to "Day 12". This does not mean that you'll miss out on one if you can't be online/forget to log in on one of those days! If you've drawn and played Day 1 before Jan 6, you'll be able to draw all the others too. But note that you have to draw all 12 to unlock Penstock's Wicket. Those cards are quite frequent though, you usually do not have to look long for them unless the RNG holds a special hatred for you (also, the cards become pinned universal storylets around Jan 15).
Note that the Sacks cards are not repeatable! You can play each of them only once, picking a single option!
If you want/need to milk the most ToL points out of the 12 Days of Mr Sacks, you should have a bottle of Greyfields 1868 First Sporing or a Consonant Violin. If you really need every single point, switch your profession to Doctor or Notary for this. Here's a 12-Days-Guide for those who need/want as much ToL as possible.


SUMMARY:

Low-level players: it is important to use your Pails of Snow first
, and play Mr Sacks' cards later. Be patient: Mr Sacks might appear in your deck before you have a fifth Pail. Waiting for that fifth Pail before playing the Day 2 card pays off: dipping five souls into the five pails for a certain ToL 5 and then putting the remaining ToL points from the Sacks cards on top is a slow but sure way to get ahead.

Advanced players can be more relaxed about this
- they can descend the wicket, spend some ToL, and build it up again with further Pails. Still, you always have to think about doing things in the correct order: it's easy to waste precious ToL points from Sacks cards - those should always be stacked on top of what you can get out of your Pails! And since Tears of the Bazaar are always at risk of evaporating, only use them when you have no other option.

As long as you can get to ToL 3, you can descend Penstock's Wicket as often as you like (and can afford) until January 31. When your ToL drops below 3 and you can't afford buying further Snow-Pails... that's it for you for this year!

(Post-script: the steps described are based on the assumption that you want to get ToL as high as possible before Penstock's Wicket opens. I assume that this guide will be read mostly by newish players, and that's the best way of going about things for them... but there are of course other ways to play this, especially if you're planning to do multiple Penstock visits.
If you have a few Tears, a Surmise, and a very high Dangerous you can, for example, totally ignore your Pails at the start and make your first visit with just the ToL points from Sacks cards.)


Further notes:
  • Time the Healer will melt all Pails of So-Called Snow around February 1. You will be warned about this one week in advance!
  • Any excess ToL however will be saved until next Christmas!
  • When it Snows in the Neath, you'll have the option to either get a Pail of So-Called Snow, or an Incarnadine Fur Robe for 30 Fate. With the Robe, you can get 1 of 18 unique gifts from the Masters themselves (14 Home Comforts, 2 Transports, 1 Affiliation, 1 Glove). You will lose your Robe upon receiving your chosen item, meaning you'll have to buy another Robe next TtH if you want more than one of the unique items.
  • Oh, and of course there are Neathy Christmas Cards! They are not in any way related to the Taste of Lacre or anything. But they're Christmas Cards! With tentacles! You only get a fixed number of these from Time the Healer, so reserve them for your most delicious friends!

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This is the guide to get maximum ToL/Pails of Lacre from Mr Sacks WITHOUT Fate. The Fate-guide is in the spoiler-box below.

Day 2: The day with the most options: for ToL +1 you can give him Greyfields First Sporing, or play on your Violin (the latter needs Connected: The Masters 2). If you have neither, "Take my good name" is another option (requires Renown: Bohemians, Society & Great Game 10, Connected: Masters 1, Notability 1). Or you can give him a Touching Love Story (caps at ToL 5)
Day 4: Today you "only" have to decide whether you'll want to spend Fate. If you did not finish a Fate-locked investigation last year, choose to continue it now!
Day 5: Align yourself with the Celestial school of poetry at the Singing Mandrake and "Give Him Your Dream of Skies Untainted" for ToL +1. Careful, overcapped players: your Persuasive will drop!
Day 8: Invite the man in, whether you know him already or not, and receive ToL +1.
Day 9: "Accept his Heart and Lights" will get you a Pail of Lacre!
Day 11: Now's the time to be a Doctor or Notary as only they will receive a further ToL +1.
Day 12: "Take Advantage of the Situation" will get you ToL +1 and a Pail of Lacre! You'll lose 1 CP of Connected: Masters though. Note that this is a rather heartless choice that some role-playing characters might feel uncomfortable with - the Rubbery and Devils Fate-locked options grant the same rewards without Connected: Masters loss.

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Per special request, here are the options that increase Connected: The Masters! (it's usually just 1CP)
Day 1: Would you care for a little of the '68? or Would you care for something... spicier than wine?
Day 2: Would you care for a little of the '68? or Take this eery air! (both give ToL as well)
Day 3: Take this rather larger diamond!
Day 5: Take this dream of mirrors! (requires Recurring Dreams: Is Someone There? 5, and then docks 10 CP off it!)
Day 6: Take this exalted hymn to patriotism! (requires you to have written A Patriotic Adventure) or Take these tales of joy and woe! (requires 10 Touching Love Stories)
Day 7: London is the crucible of desires (GAIN 1 CP Masters, 1x FiHP + 3 CP Hedonist (up to 10!), LOSE 1x Docks & Revs Favour) or Take this work of mine... (only for Bazaarines; GAIN 1-2 CP Masters, 1x FiHP + 10 Echoes cash, LOSE 1x Docks Fav. & 3 Revs Favours!) or It is peaceful here (just 1CP Masters)
Day 11: Accept the invitation (not available for the top-tier Professions)
Day 12: Assist the wreck of Sacks (3CP Masters, 1x FiHP)

Day 10 isn't useless either: while there's no ToL or Connected: The Masters on offer, you can get a rare Scrap of Parabola-Linen in exchange for a Storm-Threnody.

[spoiler]There are now nine factions you can investigate Lacre with: Benthic, Revolutionaries & Urchins cost 8 Fate each; while the Widow, the Duchess, Zailors, Rubberies, Rats and Devils come at 12 Fate each. You can choose only one faction each year!
Story-wise, all these investigations are worth playing. For those interested in maxing ToL however, there are differences: the Widow, Duchess & Zailors ones reward you with a net gain of ToL +2 — or even +7 if you choose not to finish the story this year (you can then finish it during next year's Sacksmas without paying further Fate).
The Rats Investigation gives an extra ToL +1, while Devils and Rubberies grant Tol +1 and 1 x Pail.
The 8 Fate-stories always come on days when you can get ToL without Fate anyway.

These are the final reward items of each story:

12 Fate:
Devils: The Rose Giveth (Affiliation; Dangerous +5, Watchful +2, Bizarre +1) + 3 x Favours: Hell; ToL +1; 1 x Pail
Rats: A Bedraggled, Forlorn Fox (Companion; Watchful +9) + 3 x Favours: Criminals; ToL +1
Rubbery Men: A Perpetually Festive Rubbery Man (Companion; Persuasive +9, Bizarre +3); ToL +1
Duchess: Cantigaster Venom (Weapon; Dangerous +12); ToL +2
Widow: Elemental Secret; ToL +2
Zailors: Dreadful Surmise + 3 x Favours: The Docks; ToL +2

8 Fate:
Benthic: Dreadful Surmise
Revolutionaries: Ray-Drenched Cinder + 3 x Favours: Revolutionaries (not confirmed)
Urchins: Starstone Demark + 3 x Favours: Urchins


Day 6: Today's Duchess storylet grants ToL +7 (remember you'll need ToL 5 to finish the story at Penstock's), while the Rats one grants ToL +1. The Devils option gives 2 x Favours: Hell.
Day 7: Today's Widow storylet grants ToL +7 (remember you'll need ToL 5 to finish the story at Penstock's)
Day 9: Today's Zailors storylet grants ToL +7 (remember you'll need ToL 5 to finish the story at Penstock's) -- Today, there's also an option for ToL +2 if you have a Peculiar Personal Enhancement.
Day 10: Today's Devils storylet gives another 1 x Favour: Hell.
Day 11: Today you get your companion reward if you're investigating with Rats!
Day 12: Today's Rubbery and Devils options each grant ToL +1 and a Pail of Lacre.[/spoiler]
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12/28/2015
We retire the Snowbound effect on Time the Healer for a few days over Christmas to ease the support burden while most of us are off. It'll return for another flurry in a few days!
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12/5/2015
I HAVE EATEN THE LACRE

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Rupho Schartenhauer
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12/12/2016
The Masters' Gifts from the Incarnadine Robe:

[FATE-LOCKED SPOILERS!]
[spoiler]All of these items are Home Comforts, except where noted.

Apples: Mostly Stuffed Bound-Shark (Dangerous +3, Dreaded +1)
Chimes: A Replica of the House of Chimes, Awash with Snow (Persuasive +3, Respectable +1)
Cups: Khan's Tea-Set (Shadowy +3, Respectable +1)
Fires: Probably a Coincidence (Persuasive +3, Dreaded +1)
Hearts: Semi-Autonomous Scrutinising Machine (Watchful +3, Respectable +1)
Iron: Terrifying Weathercock (Dangerous +6)
Mirrors: Brass-Framed Dark Mirror (Shadowy +3, Dreaded +1)
Pages: White Glim Telescope (Watchful +6)
Sacks: You're Not Quite Sure What (Watchful +3, Bizarre +1)
Spices: Luxury's Lap (Dangerous +3, Bizarre +1)
Stones: Ray-Drenched Correspondence Paperweight (Persuasive +3, Bizarre +1)
Veils: Thoroughly Cowed Pony (Transport; Shadowy +6)
Wines: Extraordinary Drinks Cabinet (Persuasive +6)
Eaten: A Complete Set of Preserved Internal Organs (Dangerous -15, Persuasive -15, Shadowy -15, Watchful -15, Unaccountably Peckish +1)


Note that the following gifts are only available AFTER you've gotten the respective Master's first gift - meaning they're double-Fate-locked!

Apples: Amaranthine Coil, Sealed in a Jar (Watchful +3, Dreaded +1)
Iron: The Iron Correspondents (Affiliation; Dangerous +1, Bizarre +1, Dreaded +1, A Member of the Pen-Bearers +1)
Pages: A Maudlin Gift from the Heavens (Shadowy +3, Bizarre +1)
Spices: Weasel-Infested Velocipede (Transport; Watchful +5, Bizarre +2)
Stones: Winking Gemstone Ring (Gloves; Dangerous +6, Watchful +4, Shapeling Arts +1)
Wines: Beggar's Crown (Dangerous +3, Respectable +1)
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Rupho Schartenhauer
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11/8/2015
Grinding for Sackmas:

Dreadful Surmise:
One of the rarest items in the game! Currently, there are only three non-Fate sources: the first is only available at the Feast of the Exceptional Rose, the second an extremely expensive SMEN option. The third option is available only to very advanced players.
The Fate-locked sources are... [spoiler]Flint (120 Fate), Selling your soul at Hallowmas (Watchful 200, 7 Fate) and Investigating Mr Sacks with Benthic Scholars (8 Fate) or Dockers (12 Fate). More on the latter here.[/spoiler]
Tears of the Bazaar:
(1) Generally, you can buy a Vial of Tears with ToL 7 in the Cave of the Nadir... though you have to be lucky to draw the right card there, of course. This is probably not interesting if you need your ToL for expensive lodgings, though.
(2) You can get Tears from Fate-locked expeditions in the Forgotten Quarter, though success here isn't guaranteed.
(3) At Hallowmas, you can get one Vial for 2000 Spirit.
(4) The only other way would be to up-convert other Wines items with the "A presumptuous little opportunity" card.

Night-Whispers:
(1) Play the Fidgeting Writer and cash out at the Last Hope.
(2) If you have access to the Court of the Wakeful Eye and The Minister of Culture as a companion, you can get 1 Night-Whisper for 20 Tribute. This is advanced content and therefore not accessible to everyone.
(3) For advanced players, another way to grind Night-Whispers is studying Attar in your own Laboratory.
(4) If you're running expeditions in the Forgotten Quarter anyway, you can get Night-Whispers there, too, but it's not advisable to start expeditions only for Night-Whispers. The Sanctuary of Crimson Petals has a rare success for 3 Night-Whispers.
(5) You can of course buy one from the Shivering Relicker if you're desperate, but that's wasting precious scraps in my opinion.

Storm-Threnodies:
(1) Tricksters receive them as part of their weekly professional reward.
(2) Use a Gang of Hoodlums to steal Journals of Infamy and cross-convert until you have Correspondence Plaques; then up-convert to Threnodies. If you do not have a Gang of Hoodlums, you can still steal the Journals, of course, but it will take more actions.
(3) Depending on how Dangerous you are, it might be more profitable to convert Threnodies all the way up from Primordial Shrieks. These can be earned in Coil 2 of the Labyrinth of Tigers, or through "Hunting dangerous prey" in Wolfstack Docks (2160 Shrieks for one Spider-Council!).
(4) You can exchange 500 Cryptopalaeontological Notes for 4 Threnodies.
(5) If you have an Overgoat or Übergoat, its opp card has an option that can provide you with a Storm-Threnody.
(6) Favouring Urchins over The Widow on their Conflict Card gets you 2 Threnodies.
(7) End-game Correspondents can grind them at Station VIII.
(8) Again, if you're desperate, there's always the Shivering Relicker...

A Scholar of the Correspondence:
If you want to use a Semiotic Monocle on your Pails of Snow, you need at least SotC 6. You can get to 6 by these options:
(if you can't play University Terms anymore and don't have access to the Court, you'll probably have to use Correspondence Plaques to reliably expand your knowledge beyond SotC 7)
  • the opp cards of two Fate-locked beasts (a spotted cat and a certain bird-thing, up to 10)
Extraordinary Implications:
Aside from item conversion and many other opportunities, these can also be earned via the Fidgeting Writer (cashing out early with A Sense of Déjà-Vu). You can grind them in Arbor.

Broken Giant 1844:
Aside from the usual conversion of Wines items, you can get 24 bottles of BG for 5000 bottles of Greyfields 1879 on the "A presumptuous little opportunity" card. Tricksters and Campaigners get a few bottles every week as part of their Professional Reward.

Greyfields First Sporing 1868:
For the price of a Touching Love Story, 16 of these can now be found in the unlabelled box from the card "Mr Wines is holding a sale!" (50-50 chance)

Magnificent Diamonds:
You can get these as a rare success from Empire Adornments; from "Pugilism and politics" on the "Implausible Penance" opp card (consumes all 7 Favours: Criminals needed to unlock it); from Burglaries with your Master Jewel-Thief; or as part of the Murderer's Professional Reward. If you've honoured Feducci with a statue at Ealing Station, you can exchange Tomb-Colony Favours for these there. You can also get one with a rare success for the Chalcocite Pagoda expedition in the FQ.

Consonant Violin:
The only way to get your hands on this fancy item is with 5 Mark of Credit Pages from Secrets & Spending/Counting the Days.
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NiteBrite
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12/4/2015
Considering you start losing 200+ levels of noman's friend every week in March, you'd be looking at some obscene grind, like 99 heptagoats worth of tears to do it the proper way (this is a massive exaggeration).

Maths time, a bottle of tears is like +9 noman's friend average luck on direct application (+15 if used in december as part of a taste grind), so what 23 tears a week minimum assuming you get the minimum March rate for the rest of the year. There's roughly 52 weeks in a year, so like 1196 tears (239 MB), which is like $6000 of fate expeditions on average plus the actions to actually run said expeditions. This is ballpark because ostensibly the noman is cheaper to keep alive in December/February than in later months.

That's about as much cash as you might spend buying a cider with fate at the nadir. So I guess it's possible if you prepare for a good number of years (or pay a lot of money) and the RNG loves you and FBG never increases the noman loss rate in later months.

There is one easy way though. Make the noman then never log in again for the rest of the year. The noman doesn't technically die until you trigger the must storylet by being logged in with 0 noman's friend. Never log in and you never trigger it, bam life hack.
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Hurrah!!!!

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12/21/2015
Deatheye wrote:
hi im a new player and somone told me in this event I can get the Soothe & Cooper Long-Box althrough I read the guide here I still not entierly understand it

Important! Quickly click this advent calendar link as it is going to expire very soon: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/a/38664adreamofasunderedsea
It gives you one point of ToL and you are going to need it. I'll start editing in the rest of my response after I post this, but since its so close to expiration I thought I'd post it up quickly to give you a chance to use it as soon as possible.

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Overview
1. Shovel the snow from your lodgings every week using Snowbound and you'll get at least 3 pails of snow (4 if you already have one). Use the pails of snow to get ToL. (A +3 or +4 ToL total if you are a new player).
2. Days 8, 9, and 12 of the Seasonal "12 Days of Mr Sacks" content will give you a total of +2 ToL and +2 pails if you select the right options. These require no special preparation. (A +4 ToL total if you are a new player)
3. Items 1 and 2 above should give you enough ToL on their own to get you to 6 points of ToL, a seasonal currency.
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4. Long-Boxes are purchased using ToL in an area called Penestocks Wicket. This area only opens up once you complete the 12 days of Mr Sacks Storyline. It closes at the end of January.
5. Pails melt at the end of January too so be sure to use them before then.
6. Additional ToL can be obtained from giving mr sacks a bottle of greyfields first sporing, a celestial poem, or by spending premium currency on optional fate locked storylines.
7. If you want even more pails of snow, you can sell your soul to the devils for the items needed to buy an extra pail from the urchins (using both of their connected cards, respectively). These items are hard to come by at low levels of the watchful stat.
8. You can get 1 point of ToL from the advent calendar linked above if it hasn't expired already.
9. Note, many options on using a pail of snow cap at (cannot be used) at ToL 6 or greater. So be careful not to waste pails if you find you have an excess.
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Detailed description:

If you are a very new player, and your stats are low and you have few echos, it is going to be tough to get a Soothe & Cooper Long-Box. A more established player would have a quality known as Scholar of the Correspondence (SoTC for short) at level 10, and an expensive item known as a Semiotic Monocle. These two things would make getting the Long-Box trivial, but I will try to help you out as you most likely cannot get these two things in time if you don't have them already.

Your goal is to collect the seasonal currency known as Putting the Pieces Together: Taste of Lacre (ToL for short). A Soothe & Cooper Long-Box costs 6 ToL.

You get your first point of ToL from an item known as An Unusual Pail of So-Called Snow. You get these Pails of Snow once a week from a story called "Snowbound" that appears throughout London starting the week of December 12th (if you started after the 12th you may have missed the first Pail). In the Snowbound story, you shovel the snow from the path leading to your Lodgings for 5 actions and create 1 pail of snow. Snowbound appears 4 times (ie for 4 weeks) so you can get 4x An Unusual Pail of So-Called Snow this way.

Use the pail from the curiosities section of your inventory. If you had the SoTC 10 and the Semiotic Monocle, you can use those items and qualities to get 3 points of ToL from each pail of snow. So you would only need 2 pails to get to 6 and buy the Long-Box in that case.

Almost every option on use a pail of snow (but not all) gives at least 1 point of ToL. If you don't have SoTC and a Monocle, you are only going to get about 1 point of ToL per pail. So if you started playing before December 12th you should get 4 points of ToL from your 4 pails (the cheapest option is to dunk a soul in the pail). If you use the advent code above before it expires you can get 1 more point of ToL bringing your total to 5. There was an advent calendar code for getting an extra pail, but that has already expired if you haven't used it already. If you started your account after the week of December 12th meaning you don't already have 1 pail in your inventory, it's going to set you back and make it even harder to get to 6 points of ToL.

So how do you get more points of ToL? One option is to literally sell your soul to the devils. On the Devils connected card, you can sell your soul for 1x Nightwhisper, and 7x Storm Threnodies. These items are the exact price that the Urchins are asking for on their connections card. If you sell your soul to the Devils, you will also need to grind your Connected: The Urchins quality to at least level 20, which isn't too hard to do (get to 10 at Mrs Plenty's, then buy a rookery password from the pawnbroker in the bazaar tab and feed it reprehensible lizards, also purchased from the bazaar to get to 20). You can buy extra pails on the Urchins connected card. This extra pail can get you to ToL 6 from 5.

If you want to get more nightwhispers beyond selling your soul, to buy more pails, you'll need a fairly high watchful stat. Watchful 60 is the lowest you can attempt to find them from Forgotten Quarter Expeditions, and around watchful 110 makes finding them much easier to find using the Fidgeting Writer story from the tales of terror item.

A second option is to try and get the remaining points of ToL from the 12 days of Mr Sacks storyline which is a Seasonal Event that shows up in your card deck starting on Christmas Day and lasts throughout January. By having specific items and choosing the correct path through this content you can get as much as 4 points of ToL (5 if you have the correct high level profession) as well as more pails of snow. It's going to be tricky for a new player.

The first opportunity to get a point of ToL from the 12 days is on Day 2 of the storyline. You will need an item called Greyfields First Sporing, a wines item. Even if you don't have good stats you can still get this item. In your opportunity deck, there is a card called "Mr Wines is holding a sale!". On it there is an option called "the unlabeled box", which requires you to pay 1x Touching Love Story item for a random chance to either get a bottle of Black Wings Absinthe or a bottle of Greyfields First Sporing. You can get love stories very easily by converting Nostalgia items from your inventory using Connected: Bohemians. You can get low amounts of connected bohemians from Mrs Plenty's Carnival if you don't have some already. Giving Day 2 Mr Sacks a bottle of Greyfields First Sporing will get you 1 point of ToL.

If you don't mind spending the game's premium currency, Day 4 of the 12 days of Mr Sacks will let you buy an optional storyline that will give you extra points of ToL if you select the associated options on later days of the event. You are supposed to spend these points on buying the end reward from the fate storyline (you don't have to, but it's often a rare item), but some of the stories (I think the more expensive ones) may give you 1 or 2 spare points of ToL.

Your next opportunity to get a point of ToL from the 12 days of Mr Sacks is on Day 5 of the storyline. To get it, you need to go to Veilgarden, then to The Singing Mandrake, and select the story "Finish a Libretto" to gain the Celestial poetry school quality. This requires Romantic Notions (a Nostalgia item you can get by converting up from honey) and a quality known as Melancholy at level 4. Getting Melancholy to 4 is the trickiest part of getting this point of ToL. I'm not sure if there is a good way to raise Melancholy to 4 quickly at low levels of stats if you don't already have it. Someone else on the forums may know though.

The easiest free point of ToL from the 12 days of Mr Sacks is on Day 8. You get a point of ToL if you invite Mr Shacksh into your home. You don't need any special items or qualities to get this point of ToL so this is a good option for you.

An easy free pail of snow can be gained on Day 9 of the 12 Days of Mr Sacks. You get a pail of snow for choosing the option to "Accept His Heart and Lights". Again this doesn't require any special items or qualities so it's perfect for you.

There's a point of ToL available on day 11 if you have an advanced profession of Doctor or Notary, but that's late game stuff you can't do as a fairly new player.

Finally, you can get a point of ToL and a free pail on Day 12 if you take advantage of Mr Sacks at his limit. This is also perfect for you as a new player.

Let me know if you have any questions.
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12/3/2015
Ahh, wait -- there are ways to hasten a Noman's death, correct? For instance, you could choose "Listen" everytime you draw the abundant Noman's Progress card, and drain a bit of Noman's Friend. Or you could get yourself killed, perhaps via a Nephrite Lens or some other quick method (is there any method that doesn't trigger the Horsehead Amulet?) -- and then sacrifice the Noman instead. Unless I'm mistaken, that sets Noman's Friend to 0 and should auto-trigger the Noman's End card, letting you get another Noman.

I have a plan. I'm going to slaughter a dozen tiny lacre versions of myself in the cruelest grind ever. But I need... let's see. 250 echoes and a whole lot of Dangerous christmas cards. Should be doable by January! Ohohohoh. This will be grand. Worst New Year's resolution ever. Muahahhaaha. MUahhaahhahahahaahHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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12/9/2015
As a reminder, SNOWBOUND! didn't come until the 12th of December last year.

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11/9/2015
I'm not going for a long-lived Noman this year as I've only been able to accumulate 4 Tears of the Bazaar, but I figure I'll try for as many 5-card lodgings as I can. Here are my notes on the number of pails needed, in case anyone else finds them useful... or in case I made a mistake somewhere that a more experienced Veteran of Mr. Sacks' Visits can correct me on! (I only have 1888 and missed all the rest...)

Assuming you have a Semiotic Monocle and sufficiently high Scholar of the Correspondence (10 to have no chance of needing extra pails)...
  • For each Remote Address lodging, you'll need 1 Pail. Look at the pail through your semotic monocle to get 3 Taste of Lacre.

  • For the 5-card Royal Beth lodging, you'll need 3 Notability and 3 pails. Look at one pail through your monocle, dip a soul in another pail, and look at the third through your monocle to get 7 Taste of Lacre.

  • For the 5-card Brass Embassy lodging, you'll need 3 Notability and 4 pails. Look at one pail through your monocle, dip a soul in two more pails, and look at the fourth pail through your monocle to get 8 Taste of Lacre.

  • For the 5-card Bazaar lodging, you'll need 3 Notability and at least 4 pails. Look at one pail through your monocle, dip a soul in two more pails, look at a fourth pail through your monocle, then get one more Taste of Lacre (if you have a Dread Surmise, or from huffing Tears of the Bazaar, or from Mr. Sacks) for a total of 9 Taste of Lacre.

  • On top of lodgings, the Fate-locked stories involving Lacre each take 5 Taste of Lacre, which can be achieved with 2 pails.

So if you want all the 5-card lodgings, it should take around 11 pails of snow, although you could substitute some other sources of ToL (like Tears of the Bazaar or Mr Sacks) for some of those. That may mean paying urchins for 3-7 pails, depending on the Advent Calendar, how many weeks of Snowbound there are, and whether or not you get a couple pails from Mr Sacks. At least 3 Night-Whispers / 21 Storm-Threnodies, at most 7 Night-Whispers / 49 Storm-Threnodies.

Here's another question: without spoiling too much about Fate-locked content -- am I right in thinking that paying Fate to have a Master clear your path does NOT give you a Pail but DOES give you a point of ToL, at least up to a certain level? If that's the case, those who are willing to pay for Incarnadine Fur Robe rewards may want to time that purchase, insofar as it's possible -- instead of dipping a soul in a pail, have a Master clear your path. But not instead of looking through a monocle; that gives you 3 ToL while the Master only gives you 1.
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11/9/2015
Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
I've played them all and while I'm not totally sure that there's always an overall gain, I can definitely say that the ToL you need for the final choice is not something you have to worry about.



So I looked into this further with the assistance of a friend's notes -- and it looks like the 12-fate stories all give you...

[spoiler]7 ToL partway through the 12 Days, and then cost 5 ToL at the end, for a net gain of 2. (Not sure where the 4 comes from -- maybe that includes gain from other days?) Here's the thing, though -- you don't HAVE to finish these storylines. You can just keep the 7 ToL and not lose 5, since losing 5 just gets you a valuable (312.5 echo) reward and 100 CP of connection you get at the Sundered Sea. If you don't have the Duchess' reward, that's the only one that can't be obtained without Fate elsewhere. The Docks fate story, however, will make you miss one opportunity to get a pail.
The 8-fate stories, on the other hand, aren't quite as worth it. Urchins gives you 1 extra ToL, a Storm-Threnody and 140 CP of Urchins connection, which might be handy if you're buying pails from them. Benthic gets you 3 ToL, but on days when you can get ToL from non-fate choices. And Revolutionaries gives you no ToL.[/spoiler]

I know there might be a 12 Days guide coming, but I'd love to know if this quick rundown seems off at all:
Day 2: various options give +1 ToL; you can play the Consonant Violin, hand over a Greyfields First Sporing or just have some connections at 20
Day 5: +1 ToL option if you are a Celestial (can change this for 2.5E and a Vision of the Surface in the Singing Mandrake) or +1 ToL if doing the Benthic fate story
Day 6: +7 ToL if doing the Duchess fate story
Day 7: +1 ToL if doing the Urchins fate story, or +7 ToL if doing the Widow fate story
Day 8: +1 ToL if you invite Silas in without calling him Silas
Day 9: +1 Pail of Snow option... or if you've spent 100 Fate on a Boneless Consort, you can get +2 ToL (and lose some of your Peculiar Enhancement)... or +1 ToL if doing the Benthic fate story... or +7 ToL if doing the Docks fate story
Day 11: +1 ToL for Notaries and Doctors
Day 12: +1 ToL and 1 Pail of Snow for taking advantage of disintegrating Sacks, or +1 ToL if doing the Benthic fate story

Max you can earn without fate: 5 ToL (most seem to be uncapped) and 2 pails of snow, if you are a Celestial Notary or Doctor
Max you can earn with fate: 14 ToL and 1 pail of snow for Celestial Notaries or Doctors with Peculiar Personal Enhancements helping the Widow or Duchess

One other question if anyone remembers: does the Noman cost some of all of your quirks... even at the very beginning of the season?
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11/24/2020
A post in another thread reminded me that my favourite Advent Calendar of all advent calendars is only a week away! woohoo! smile

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12/17/2020
I've updated the Grind post. Since I'm not totally up-to-date with the latest changes, do tell if I've missed something obivous.

I actually thought about axing that post since a lot of these items aren't as rare as they used to be - but I guess it might still be useful for newish players.

Speaking about newish players, I'll link the 12 Days of Mr Sacks Guide from here, too, since it can be hard to find in this long thread.

I've also updated the list of Incarnadine Gifts. Still missing a profile echo for Mr Spices' bizarre new item though.

Everything's still linked from the opening post, too.
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I'm surprised that today's option (Day 9) doesn't appear to have anything for the Rubbery Sacksmas. You'd think that a Sacks who outright offers you gifts would be the perfect Master to ask for a gift for your rubbery friend, no matter how badly it would likely end for the poor octoperson.
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1/11/2019
Shard Of God wrote:
I have found myself in a bit of a bind. I need ToL 9 for the 5 card Bazaar lodging. I currently have ToL 8 and two pails of snow. I have the Semiotic Monocle and SotC 9 but no Vials of the Tears and no Dreadful Surmise. Is there any possible way I can get myself to 9?

I think your best bet is to obtain a vial of Tears of the Bazaar. You probably have around three weeks before the Wicket closes, certainly at least two. That's realistically achievable.

There are a couple of options for obtaining Tears, including spending ToL in the Nadir, which is counter-intuitive in your situation but I think actually guaranteed to work. If you spend 7 ToL for the Tears and then use two Pails, you will be at ToL 7. Even in the worst-case where the Tears go poof on the first use, they give 2 ToL when they do which puts you at 9 exactly. If the Tears last longer you either end up with ToL to spare or actually get to keep your vial.

If you don't have access to the Nadir, I think it's still doable. You will need 7 bottles of Airag and the Presumptuous Little Opportunity card. Other players may have better suggestions, but personally I would slam Shrine of Deep Blue Heaven expeditions, which has two results that give Airag. You can also use Presumptuous Little Opportunity to gain Airag but you may want to save that card in hand instead, it's less than Standard frequency.

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12/28/2015
Chris Gardiner wrote:
We retire the Snowbound effect on Time the Healer for a few days over Christmas to ease the support burden while most of us are off. It'll return for another flurry in a few days!

You probably got more bug reports due to the unexpected change than you would have if it had been left alone haha. If you all need a break, a little heads up goes a long way ;-)

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12/29/2015
To get the secret, you need to raise your noman knows quality to 15 by feeding it quirks on the noman opp card. Assuming you draw a reasonable number of cards each day, you should be able to reach 15 within a week (ie no need to feed your noman extra lacre to keep it alive). Last year I managed to do it on three characters with no problem.

The noman loses life with each visit of TTH; without feeding it lacre, with average luck it will probably survive 2 weeks.

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1/5/2016
Parelle wrote:
Err. Huh. Now that I've bought my Spire, I appear to be locked out of Penstock even with 5 ToL.



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1/10/2016
I can do this! I already have the choice marked as a plan, so I'll just edit this post each day.

Current Noman Price
7/1/16 - 3 ToL
8/1/16 - 3 ToL
9/1/16 - 5 ToL
10/1/16 - 5 ToL
11/1/16 - 5 ToL
12/1/16 - 7 ToL
13/1/16 - 7 ToL
14/1/16 - 7 ToL
15/1/16 - 9 ToL
16/1/16 - 9 ToL
17/1/16 - 9 ToL
18/1/16 - 9 ToL
19/1/16 - 9 ToL


NOTE: ALL FUTURE NOMAN PRICE CHANGES WILL BE ADDED HERE:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21560-the-ironoman-marathon.aspx
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12/9/2016
We're attempting to give more clarity on these descriptions, including dates where prudent, but this is an ideal opportunity for me to remind you: if you care about the outcomes of a seasonal event, beware brinksmanship. Small things like timezones and server outages can spoil an otherwise lovely season for you. smile

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11/11/2015
Optimatum wrote:
Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
Do I remember correctly that changes to "Putting the Pieces Together: The Taste of Lacre" were never displayed like other qualities ("your ToL has increased to 3")? Instead, you only ever saw the flavour text of your current status ("Why does the lacre accumulate at Christmas?" in this case), making it useful to keep ToL as the displayed Scrapbook quality on your Profile during Sackmas...

I think so, yes.

I can confirm this.
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11/11/2015
If you are saying you want to wait to get to 8 until the wicket opens, and -then- run the 12 days of Mr Sacks to get the boosted ptpt it can't be done.

The wicket only opens -after- you complete the 12 days of Mr. Sacks. So by definition by the time the wicket is open, you have already missed out on the reason to get to 8 (or 11) early which is the uncapped ptpt from Mr sacks. Imagine using tears/pails to 10 and then getting to 15 from the 12 days of Mr sacks. That saves you from needing a dreadful surmise and 5 pails.

If you are paying last available purchase day prices for the noman you have to get to 15 ptpt, and you really want to use the 12 days to get all the way to 15 if at all possible, because otherwise its a bad time trying to get there using even more pails and the dreadful surmise skill challenges.

EDIT: This is off on a tangent, but I hope the tattoo limit increases to 3 this year. I want to get a heptagoat tattoo after all. But if it is still limited to 2 do you know if you can reset one tattoo instead of both? Or do you lose having 2 tattoos if you reset? I'd hate to lose my noman tattoo to get the heptagoat instead.
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11/8/2015
The Fate-locked expeditions actually have a lower chance of producing Night-Whispers because of the range of other options. However, they do have the potential of netting you Tears of the Bazaar directly, although I wouldn't bank on it.

The rough chances as far as I can tell, for Xmas related items on Expeditions...

Thieves' Cache: ~25% chance of 1 Storm-Threnody (probably not worth it vs. other methods), 25% chance of 2 Magnificent Diamonds (in case you need those for Sacks)

Shrine of the DBH: ~12% chance of 1 Storm-Threnody, 12.5% chance of 2 Magnificent Diamonds, 12.5% chance of 2 Night Whispers, ~13% chance of 1 Airag

Temple of Uttermost Wind: ~10% chance of each of the following... 2 Magnificent Diamonds, 2 Night Whispers, 1 Tears of the Bazaar. 20% chance of 1 Airag.

Gallery of Serpents: 24% chance of 1 Airag, 26% chance of 1 Tears of the Bazaar

Interestingly, any of these have a 50% chance of netting you SOMETHING useful for Xmas, but the more fate you pay the more powerful that something will be.

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11/9/2015
Rupho, this is seriously amazing, it has almost everything I ever wanted to know about Sacksmas. Thanks!

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12/9/2015
That's what Urchins are for.

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12/9/2015
Valiant wrote:
The Duke of Waltham wrote:
I've never seen a single person eager to be snowbound, much less a whole group of them. This perverse anticipation must be a purely Neathy phenomenon, considering how deceptively dangerous it can be to shovel snow in the morning.


Oh my god, who knew a simple activity could be so dangerous? Now I'll definitely have to ask Masters to shovel snow for me.

Well, it gave a huge dangerous bonus, so i should've expected it, really. Hiring the urchins this year, though.

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12/5/2015
Unfortunately for you, composing symphonies does indeed require access to the Court and not the Palace. How high is your SotC? If you can reach 5 taste by dunking souls/using Mr Sacks, you could always gamble a pail or two, which would take you to 8 taste, meaning you only need one more point from Mr Sacks to get the Spire Emporium.

A word to the wise, in case it isn't clear: your 'taste of lacre' score persists after the holiday season (so you can transfer any spare levels to next year), but any pails you have not used by the end of January will melt into direful reflections. So you can hoard taste, but not buckets.

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12/27/2015
Failbetter did intend to stop providing Christmas cards on the 25th - so as according to some people in this thread Snow also didn't fall when Time came calling. I am hoping that it is a mistake, that someone at Failbetter hit the wrong off switch and that there will be more snow to come.

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12/25/2015
If you go to New Newgate to meet the forger I would wear a Pirate Hat while you are there until he turns up. You get kicked out when your suspicion reaches 0 so that +1 suspicion means that you can stay as long as necessary.
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NiteBrite
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12/24/2015
I doubt you need to complete part 1. The salt will be very real if you do need to because it says that nowhere and people are super tied up in Sacksmas time limited grinds. It's one story, there's only one starting it. The mask stall didn't give any new or different starting quality.

Basically, it would be extremely bad practice to require a player to play through part 1 to keep part 2, which they paid for, and to also not tell them about such a restriction existing in any way. For this reason I very much doubt you need to complete part 1. Failbetter know better than to make such an error of omission.
edited by NiteBrite on 12/24/2015

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12/27/2015
Madison's last TTH was a couple days ago, but they just got the Urchin card and the option is indeed still available.

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12/28/2015
It's Dec 27 for me, Sunday, and my Time, the Healer (TtH) did not bring Snowbound as well (UPDATE: Reason: Temporarily retired, explained here and further in the post). I would like to propose some observations/summary for Christmas Cards, Snowbound and briefly the Wicket (will be updated from time to time), based on what I read on this forum thus far and my own experience in this holiday. Using these observations, perhaps one can try to have a better idea of how next year may roll out these events. These observations are under the assumption everything happened based on what Failbetter scheduled for Christmas in 1893 (2015). Also, timezones do vary, so the dates are based on my own timezone. I did not keep track of the exact hour an event started or ended.

It is important to note that when Dec 1 arrived, a variety of individuals (not everyone) had their Time the Healer delayed and permanently adjusted. It may happen again next year, and if does, it will influence when options will be available. So, one should try to be aware that Time the Healer may change (the change is variable, could be minutes or hours) as the Christmas season begins in the Neath. It has also been reported Time changed again during January too, so keep in mind it may occur throughout the season too.


Christmas Cards: These rolled out sometime on Tuesday, Dec 1, with Time, the Healer. At the same time, the first advent calendar window was open, which provided 7 Cards. These cards would not stack with what Time, the Healer provided, thus one would need to time how they used the cards Time provided on top of using the Advent code. The code would expire in 5 days, or Dec 5. Time the Healer stopped providing Christmas Cards on Friday, Dec 25. Individuals that kept cards when Time, the Healer arrived before Dec 25 are still able to send them until Dec 31. Time will not erase cards kept after Dec 25 when Time arrives again by Dec 31. For example, those who received a refill on Dec 21 from Time the Healer, and kept 4 cards, will not have them erased or refilled when Time arrives on Dec 28. Alternatively, those who pay 10 Fate can still earn one Card too (only if you have no cards). Based on the warning on the header, Dec 31 was the last day to send any cards. On January 1, the option to gain or send cards was retired. When Time the Healer arrives in January (at least for me) any Potential Christmas Cards left in the inventory that were not sent got eliminated by Time, so one can not keep one as a memento for the year.


Based on how the calendar for December of 2015 is set up, when the event for Christmas Cards started, those with TtH on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday were able to have 4 refills. Perhaps those with TtH on Friday before it was scheduled to stop received 4 refills too. Those with TtH on Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday were able to have 3 refills. Also, those who had TtT on Tuesday before the event started most likely had 3 refills as well. Add one more refill for everyone that used the December 1 Advent code on Dec 1-5.


Snowbound: This event started on Monday, Dec 14. When it started, everyone had an universal Snowbound event not related to Time, the Healer. During this event, one had the option to shovel the snow without Fate or pay a Master to do it for 30 Fate. If one did it without Fate, everyone received at least 1 Pail of So-Called Snow and the quality 'A Clear Path'. With Fate, while one did not receive a Pail, other items were received instead, but one still attained the quality 'A Clear Path'. This quality allows for one to buy a Pail of So-Called Snow from the opportunity card 'The Roof-Tops: Urchins' using resources and urchin connections. After one did the first Snowbound storylet, one received Snowbound based on their Time, the Healer. The 'A Clear Path' quality will most likely go away when Christmas events are officially done sometime in January. As an effort to ease the burden of support from Failbetter since they took a much deserved break, the Snowbound event was temporarily retired for everyone when Time, the Healer arrived on Saturday, December 26 and stayed that way for four days (Dec 26-29). One still kept the 'A Clear Path' quality during this phase. On Dec 30, it was reported Snowbound returned with Time the Healer. Anyone who had Time the Healer on Dec 30 or later saw Snowbound again. It is unclear if the next Snowbound event will be the last, so keep that in mind when deciding to use Fate or not. Time the Healer does eliminate 'A Clear Path' quality in January, but it is regained as Snowbound is performed (for me on Jan 3, 2016). This will be updated as my Time arrives on Jan 10, 2016 to record what happens then, or before if posts report something sooner.

(The Following figures for Snowbound are not final, they will be adjusted as Snowbound becomes re-enabled and officially ends in time!)

Before the temporary retirement:
Based on the calendar, when the event started, those with TtH on Monday-Friday received 3 Snowbound events so far (the universal and 2 TtH) and those with TtH on Saturday and Sunday received 2 Snowbound events so far (the universal and 1 TtH). Also, those with TtH on Monday before Snowbound started most likely also had 2 Snowbound events. To reinterpret this with Pail gain (assuming one did not do the Fate option), when the event started, those with TtH on Monday-Friday would get 3 Pails. Those with TtH on Saturday and Sunday would get 2 Pails (same applies for TtH on Monday before the event started). Also, add one more Pail for those who used the code on December 5 on the Advent Calendar from Dec 5-10. Other sources of Pails can be the Twelve Days of Mr Sacks Opportunity card event and buying them from Urchins.

Penstock's Wicket: Briefly opened on Jan 5 as a mistake (take a look at this post), the same day the Day 12 of Mr Sacks card unlocked. However, it officially opened on Jan 6, until Jan 30 (maybe sooner, that will need observation). When it opened, there was a universal storylet directly to the Wicket, enabled once the Twelve Days of Mr Sacks was completed.

Please point out anything I can fix so I can have a better idea of these events!
Edit: Updates on Snowbound and other notes, will be frequent to try to stay up to date.
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Lemexis
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12/14/2015
10 actions for a handful of CP ? Strange... When I saw the increase in Dangerous I got when shoveling in front of my Lodgings, I thought that I'd get double that amount when shoveling in front of my Lodgings AND in front of someone else's lodgings.

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12/3/2015
Easter Egg?
The middle window of the House of Chimes on the Advent Calender provides a little message and closes the open windows.

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12/9/2015
The Duke of Waltham wrote:
I've never seen a single person eager to be snowbound, much less a whole group of them. This perverse anticipation must be a purely Neathy phenomenon, considering how deceptively dangerous it can be to shovel snow in the morning.


Oh my god, who knew a simple activity could be so dangerous? Now I'll definitely have to ask Masters to shovel snow for me.

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12/2/2015
I would be happy with a fixed set of pail release dates rather than the whims of Time. As it stands now though, only time will tell.

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12/2/2015
If you assume FBG only wants to distribute 4 pails total, which is fairly typical, then snow should start falling on Friday. If it started earlier, then people with Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon would have extras unless it extends into January.

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12/1/2015
Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
Wonder if they've removed the SNOWBOUND! mechanic, or perhaps they're saving them for specific dates to release to everyone equally. That way no one gets more or less than they're meant to due to TtH coming to people at different times.
edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 12/1/2015

Really hope there's some source of ToL this season, and the same quantity as before. Significant changes are going to cause trouble for my plans.

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11/9/2015
Danko wrote:
Rupho, this is seriously amazing, it has almost everything I ever wanted to know about Sacksmas. Thanks!


Seconding that! You want a Christmas Card, Mr Schartenhauer?

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11/21/2015
Advent Calendar will start on 1st December up to 25th December.
Starting sometime in December you will be locked out of your lodgings by snow every time Time the Healer comes - there you can either get a pail or choose to spend Fate and get an Incarnadine Robe. If I remember correctly snow will fall 4 or 5 times over the Season.

I think the 12 Days of Mr Sacks start on the 25/26th December and they run until you have received all 12 visits. So I think the earliest the Wicket can open is 6th January.

There is definitely a short gap between Xmas and the Feast of the Rose. Maybe two or three weeks after the Wicket closes.

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NiteBrite
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11/11/2015
Grenem wrote:
metasynthie wrote:
Just realized something... what is the benefit of having a high ToL before Mr Sacks comes? When the wicket opens, Noman is pretty cheap, right? Is there some nuanced facet of a NiteBrite strategy I'm not grasping?

If you just want the text and on-death rewards, buying the cheapest one is best. it'll probably still cost you more that a little, but that shouldn't be a problem. if you want it to last until feburary... well, lets just say those few days do make a difference, and a big one.


Time the healer hits like a truck taking around 23 ptpt equivalent per week to begin with (and it slowly gets worse), and that's bad if you are trying to keep a noman alive until February. Any initial cost savings are just totally and crushingly lost every one additional time the healer you have to survive so it's best to wait as long as possible before creating the noman in this scenario.
edited by NiteBrite on 11/11/2015

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Optimatum
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11/9/2015
The Glim-sculptor card is unlocked by finishing his case after completing the University storyline. It's only locked after purchasing Flute Street, so any players who have not visited there can repeat it as much as needed. The card is also Frequent rather than Standard.

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11/11/2015
metasynthie wrote:
Or is there another reason why you'd want a high ToL before the Wicket opens, as opposed to waiting to raise ToL to 8 until after the Wicket opens when it's a pail cheaper?


The route I suggested was for simplicity rather than maximum efficiency; using the Wicket options will save you pails, which is important if you're after several lodgings or the noman, but raising your taste to 9 once is doable without any shennanigans so I went for the easiest path. However, the point of raising your taste with buckets before using the Mr Sacks cards is that the boost from the cards is uncapped, whereas with buckets you can only get as high as 8 without using tears of the bazaar or a dreadful surmise. So if you use your Sacks cards before reaching 8 and you don't have either of those items, you're locked out of reaching the 9 taste you need.

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12/6/2016
Historically it's been possible to finish the Noman story with two to three weeks of semicasual card flipping and no item investment. They usually lived through two Time The Healers without any effort. So the main thing to worry about is to create your Noman right after your individual Time.

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MrBurnside
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1/13/2016
NiteBrite wrote:
Well now you are making me doubt my memory. I feel like there was an issue with hitting 15 early but maybe I'm wrong if the wiki says otherwise. It was a year ago mm.

Edit: if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could someone who is getting a noman early for the elemental secret look into this? Does it auto fire death or lock out options on the noman progress card? I thought it did but maybe not.
edited by NiteBrite on 12/30/2015


It doesn't autofire or lock anything on Noman's Progress. I just hit 15 and got the card.
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1/6/2016
The most nomans friend you lose early on is like 70 levels a week. As long as you stay above 70 you aren't in danger. I'd say keep an eye on its health and only invest in healing it if you drop into the danger zone before you can pop it.

You should be able to get to the elemental secret in under one week no problem though.
edited by NiteBrite on 1/6/2016

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12/29/2015
People trying to keep the noman alive should be cautioned not to progress noman knows. This is because it will automatically turn into an elemental secret if it gets high enough.

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12/28/2015
They generally gain you connections for the faction that you're helping, and don't reduce any other connections. The main thing you miss out on is other opportunities on the day (or days) you have to finish your mission, which in the case of Docks means you miss one potential pail of snow, or an Antique Mystery.

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12/29/2015
maleclypse wrote:
Hey just a question here about the above statement. Does copyright work differently in the UK than in the US? ...


I appreciate the query here, but I'd like to discourage armchair lawyering. In this specific case, I happen to know all parties are solid with the legal nuances under the current fan guidelines in which we operate, and i'd be hard pressed to see any (well-intentioned!) discussion of IP and laws changing the status quo (again, in this specific case.)

We've had a bit of a divergence from the thread here, and I wanted to initially address a small comment I thought could negatively impact the fanbase's use of the current wikis.

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12/10/2018
We are officially Snowbound!

The new Masters' gifts have been added to the list.


Heads-up that both of them are only available after you've already got that particular Master's first gift - meaning they're double-Fate-locked!
edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 12/10/2018

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1/2/2018
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1/2/2018
My only question for Day 8 of Mr Sacks is this: why? I'm all for adding story and flavor text to Fate options, but it feels odd to add a Fate purchase to Day 4 that opens an option with no benefit on a card that could otherwise be used to increase the ToL quality. I assume we'll get another option later on that will give us a boost to ToL that we can spend at the Wicket to continue the storyline, but considering none of the other choices that cost 12 Fate have an additional "dud" option and I missed out on helping out Silas this year (his character is so rarely involved in-game, so I take what I can get), I'd be lying if I said I wasn't annoyed. It doesn't help that the option could have costed a single action or none at all, which could offer the flavor text for that day and then take you back to the card to make your actual choice. Oh well, nothing to do for it now I suppose.

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1/4/2020
Who's the cutest of them all?

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Rupho Schartenhauer
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12/1/2020
Season's greetings, most deliquescent of friends! 'Tis the season... when fogscapes with tentacles stalk the streets of London! But take heart, and maybe a dip into the urchins' sack!

Let's see whether Neathmas will get a revamp this year or whether it will again proceed along familiar paths. Whatever comes, I'll try to keep the Guide updated for the sixth year running. (Surely, the seventh will doom us all...)

Keep up the festive spirit, delicious friends - as my old Seeking character valiantly shows, you can celebrate Sackmas even when you've gone North! Big Grin

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12/2/2017
Hello! Yes, I still exist wink

Nice to see my old guide still garnering attention. I amended Connected: Urchins to Renown and added Tigers as a source of Night-Whispers. Tell me if anything else needs pruning! smile

Edit Huh, for whatever reason, the links to other forum posts weren't working right anymore. Fixed those too!
edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 12/3/2017

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12/9/2019
Greetings, or Ho Ho Ho!

Once again I have been awoken from deep slumber among the Stone Pigs (cuddly fellows, these) to tend to my seasonal duties.

So far I have:
  • amended the dates for Snowfall per the official announcement
  • removed any links to NiteBrite's Noman guide which unfortunately is no longer online

As soon as I've gleaned information about the new Incarnadine Robe gifts, I'll add them to the list.

If there's a comprehensive Noman preparation guide here on the forums, you may point me to it, and I will add it.

If you spot anything that seems out-of-date, do tell! My corrective hand shall swipe down on any untruths found herein swiftly and mercilessly.

Otherwise, happy gift-giving and -receiving!
edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 12/11/2019

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1/2/2018
And considering that this Sacks in particular has a certain... fondness for the ol' shapeful disgrace.

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12/2/2018
Hello all! As every year, I'm dragging this guide back up from the cellars. The overall mechanics of Sacksmas probably won't change much and I'll add new stuff asap.

It will be interesting to see if there'll be new gifts from the Masters now that each Master persona has one already.

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12/2/2018
Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
Hello all! As every year, I'm dragging this guide back up from the cellars. The overall mechanics of Sacksmas probably won't change much and I'll add new stuff asap.

It will be interesting to see if there'll be new gifts from the Masters now that each Master persona has one already.

Good idea. Though you should update the link to the Advent Calendar page in the original post.

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12/1/2017
earthbourn wrote:
If one is not aiming for a Noman tattoo, what are the benefits of creating a Noman? And how much ToL does it cost?


You can interact with it and at the end of its storyline you get an Elemental Secret. The costs scale with how long you wait before making one; at the beginning it's 3 ToL and at the end it's 15.

The Curious Watcher wrote:
Can anyone tell me what one should do during this event? I don't really want a remote address since I plan on getting rid of all lodgings during SMEN, nor do I have the preparation needed to take care of a Noman. Is there anything else that I can do besides collect lacre and spend it on Tears?

You can use a Noman to get an Elemental Secret if you wish, but note that those - and Tears - can't be brought to WInking Isle. So I guess you can use those to get cash if there's gear or something you need. You could also try to hurry to get rid of your lodgings before the holiday ends, so that you could get new ones right after.

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12/1/2017
I think it might be worth updating the OP to mention Night-Whisper farming via tigers, perhaps?

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12/15/2016
Jolanda Swan wrote:
A question: this Sackmass, which is my first, I intend to get one five card lodging, and help the Duchess. When does the opportunity to help her come up? Is it is the Mr Sacks cards and on what day? (I am afraid I won't notice the wording and miss on her). And how much ToL does it cost to resolve the storyline?

On day 4 card you can pick her and it costs 5 ToL to resolve the story, but she'll give you 7 as a reward before that. I didn't experienced this, but should accurate as I collected the information from multiple sources.

Jolanda Swan wrote:
Also, a final question - I have the Beth and Bazaar 4-card addresses. I understand that five card lodgings do not open up any new opportunities on the cards or have extra cards, so one would need both only for rp or completionist reasons, correct?

Yes, only for RP/completionism.

I wish you good luck and Merry Sackmas, delicious!

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12/16/2018
Oh thanks, that's good to know about the Dreadful Surmise! I have a bit of Fate to spend. Even though it feels somehow like cheating to "buy" an item this is available via non-fate-locked content.

I'm churning out Symphony after Symphony, it's a decent grind for both SotC and MW.

My next Correspondence Symphony shall spell out Thanks 4 Ur Help Cool
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12/30/2018
Shalinoth wrote:
Might not be the best place to ask this: How best can I get "Having Recurring Dreams: Is Someone There?" up to 5 for Mr Mirror-Sacks on Day 5? I'm grinding Connected Masters up again, but only have 3 HRD:IST



Be lucky with your Cards, there is no way to up any dreams besides HRD: Death by Water :/

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12/28/2015
You will, eventually. One Sacksmas day will have to be spent as per directions from your patron(ess), and that will give ToL. When the Wicket opens, you will need to spend some of that ToL to earn the final reward, but favouring the Duchess should result in a net gain of 4 ToL and a very nice (and expensive) weapon.
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12/30/2015
FBG turned snowbound off for the week of Christmas/New Years so they can go on holiday and not have to support it. However they did say it would be back for another round.

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12/31/2015
John Savage wrote:
Sara Hysaro wrote:
I think the three different Remote Addresses lower a menace slightly when you move into them, but even if it's a different menace for each I don't think that's a big enough difference to justify purchasing more than one if you're not a collector. Taste of Lacre will carry over for the next year, and keeping those points will make it a lot easier to get a 5-card Lodging next year.


OK good.... then I can just relax the rest of the way then.... just waiting to help the Duchess here, and then I'll nab myself a nice hideaway....

RP wise, Mr. Savage having like 6 3-card lodgings make perfectly good sense.... as would having multiple Remotes I guess, but the collecting of such would not interest him very much at all...

He moves about in higher society merely for the better marks.

(You and Nobby are like two peas in a pod there, except speaking-wise, even as Cockneys go, he's hard to understand. Well, he does sound Well-Groomed and Erudite when in the appropriate Role. A Conjurer with an accent so thick, it drowns those who listen to it, would never work for the Grift.)


In regards to your Lodgings question, I was just looking into that yesterday for my characters. In regards to only the Wicket purchasable ones at a cost of 3 taste of Lacre each, there are three of course. Each one when you move (at a cost of 5 turns) into one (at menace 4 or lower only) it lowers the Menace it is associated with by 1-2 CP. So the A Dripstone-Snared Temple lowers the Nightmares by 1 CP, the Zee-Znail's Zhell.lowers Scandal by 2 CP, and The Deep Cellars of Old Newgate lowers Suspicion by 2 CP (or it may be 1 or even 1-2, as I don't have that at this time and the wiki does not clarify.) Best (unless you really like collecting them) to pick the lodging you like and use that to mainly block out City Vices and occasionally dip your Menace as an afterthought.


The only other Remote Lodgings obtainable (Fate-Locked) does not offer any menace reduction, offers the same City-Vice-removed-cards option, and costs 3 turns instead. This only other option is [spoiler]the one offered from Haunting at the Marsh-House (and I can't say I played it, but last I checked, that house also offers no additional perks and only costs 3 turns to move in.)[/spoiler] So if the occasional CP reduction is worth 2 turns, it's OK. If not, play the Exceptional Story above.

There is one other residence called Rooms in a Half-Abandoned Mansion at 5 Victory of Victories Knife and Candle medals (do Moon league for the best chance of getting this streak,) but it is not remote. Like other 3-card residences, you don't have to be in it to use its associated card.
edited by the truthseeker on 12/31/2015
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1/5/2016
Chris kicked us all out, Parelle. upset

But I feel better now. In the end, it seems that I might my Elemental Secret and my heartbreak ! Now on to finding a guide for the Noman, I hope that I didn't need to farm anything to get the secret...

Edit : Stealing a Spire is quite an achievement. Mine now feels even better knowing that I sneakily acquired it when I shouldn't have. Ah, the little things in Neathy life...
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12/30/2015
fitz wrote:
Thanks, in that case I might pass; one Fate purchase was already a wasted ToL increase, because I was already passed its cap.

That assumption is wrong.

The ToL bump directly does not ever cap; only items bumping it (Buckets of so-called-snow and Tears of the Bazaar for example) have caps. Mr Sacks does not cap when it's directly given (Violin, Celestials, etc.,) but those buckets given to him do at 6 for example.



And your question was answered earlier even if not asked by you then. Yes, some fate-locked stories give extra taste of lacre to spend at a point of Mr Sack's Story, but still give you an extra bump remainder overall if you didn't get fate, plus a nice item. Others give a nice lesser item for less fate but no lacre bump. Every faction has a day twice where you choose them instead of generic options, so you could lose other stuff but still end up ahead overall. One day is a small reward, the later day is the big-ticket item. Here is where this was broken down outside of these forums.

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    metasynthie
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    12/30/2015
    When you pay a Master to clear the snowbound path to your lodgings, you get a point of ToL -- but it's capped at 6.

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    12/31/2015
    I think the three different Remote Addresses lower a menace slightly when you move into them, but even if it's a different menace for each I don't think that's a big enough difference to justify purchasing more than one if you're not a collector. Taste of Lacre will carry over for the next year, and keeping those points will make it a lot easier to get a 5-card Lodging next year.

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    12/31/2015
    Sara Hysaro wrote:
    I think the three different Remote Addresses lower a menace slightly when you move into them, but even if it's a different menace for each I don't think that's a big enough difference to justify purchasing more than one if you're not a collector. Taste of Lacre will carry over for the next year, and keeping those points will make it a lot easier to get a 5-card Lodging next year.


    OK good.... then I can just relax the rest of the way then.... just waiting to help the Duchess here, and then I'll nab myself a nice hideaway....

    RP wise, Mr. Savage having like 6 3-card lodgings make perfectly good sense.... as would having multiple Remotes I guess, but the collecting of such would not interest him very much at all...

    He moves about in higher society merely for the better marks.

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    malthaussen
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    1/6/2016
    @Navchaa: if you had paid your debt to the Duchess first, you would not have been kicked out. Choosing any Lodgings option will make you leave the Wicket and travel to the new Lodgings, but you'll still have to use the "key" in your inventory to move into them.

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    1/6/2016
    Having secured all that I wanted from this Sacksmas, I would like to register a humble note of thanks to all the great people on this thread and elsewhere who have generously contributed their time and advice towards helping the less knowledgeable players like myself.

    Without you, I'm sure I would have made mistakes, wasted opportunity and had a frustrating Sacksmas.

    Thank you.

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    Grenem
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    1/7/2016
    Starmiya wrote:
    Seeing as my previous message didn't get its answer, I suppose the reply is buried somewhere and I'll have to search it later.

    More importantly, I got all the things available from the Penstock's Wicket except the luck challenge branches.

    What else is the lacre good for, the tears?

    ToL is only good for tears, nomen, and the luck challenges now, but if you have buckets, they can be sold for 50 echoes each. not really worth it, unless you have far more buckets than you need. still, if you don't value text, that's a perfectly valid use, if you can't get enough tears to use up all your buckets.

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    1/7/2016
    No you won't get kicked out - I had to do that with an alt as I forgot that I used it on Day 12 of Mr Sacks.

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    1/10/2016
    Oh right! I forgot plans could do that. Double plus good idea cecil. Gold star smile

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    1/11/2016
    Ah, the seasonal option on the Western Tower: a Guest Room at the Brass Embassy card has arrived. If you have Souls in your Inventory, don't blindly click on the first option in search of scraps!

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    1/12/2016
    navchaa wrote:
    In case anyone's interested, my TTH came yesterday yet the urchins are still selling me snow. Now to grind night whispers and storm threnodies again!

    I am happily mistaken on this! Buy them up but do not go below PTPT:ATOL 1 or they won't!
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    Toran
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    1/13/2016
    MrBurnside wrote:
    NiteBrite wrote:
    Well now you are making me doubt my memory. I feel like there was an issue with hitting 15 early but maybe I'm wrong if the wiki says otherwise. It was a year ago mm.

    Edit: if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could someone who is getting a noman early for the elemental secret look into this? Does it auto fire death or lock out options on the noman progress card? I thought it did but maybe not.
    edited by NiteBrite on 12/30/2015

    It doesn't autofire or lock anything on Noman's Progress. I just hit 15 and got the card.


    Doubly confirmed. I got my Noman Knows up to something like 18-19 last year because I refused to kill him early and kept doing the Ambition: Nemesis option. The Bazaar is covered in scars.

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    dov
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    12/24/2015
    But the way it was presented from the start was that to play both parts you need to either be a subscriber for the two months of November and December, *or* you can have access to both parts just by subscribing to December.

    I haven't tested it, obviously, but it was presented such that even if you've played part 1 in November, you need to be a subscriber in December to continue. I have no idea which quality tracks out controls this.

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    Shalinoth
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    1/21/2016
    You've lost 61 x Noman's Friend (new total 0).
    Noman Knows = 13

    BOOOO...
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    11/9/2015
    I don't suppose you have any advice for those of us looking to maximize Masters connection? Not...that I would be after something like that.

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    Optimatum
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    11/9/2015
    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    A Scholar of the Correspondence: If you want to use a Semiotic Monocle on your Pails of Snow, you need at least SotC 6. You can get to 6 by all of these options: (if you can't play University Terms anymore, you'll have to use Correspondence Plaques to reliably expand your knowledge beyond SotC 7)

    The reward listed as a potential expedition payout is in fact a high-level Bundle of Oddities reward, only obtainable from Surprise Packages and one option on the rare Wolfstack card The Bonfire of the Decencies. You're also missing writing a Correspondence symphony at court, which requires SotC 1 when it comes time to choose the final result and can raise it up to 10.

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    Sestina Valdis
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    11/9/2015
    Optimatum wrote:
    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    A Scholar of the Correspondence: If you want to use a Semiotic Monocle on your Pails of Snow, you need at least SotC 6. You can get to 6 by all of these options: (if you can't play University Terms anymore, you'll have to use Correspondence Plaques to reliably expand your knowledge beyond SotC 7)

    The reward listed as a potential expedition payout is in fact a high-level Bundle of Oddities reward, only obtainable from Surprise Packages and one option on the rare Wolfstack card The Bonfire of the Decencies. You're also missing writing a Correspondence symphony at court, which requires SotC 1 when it comes time to choose the final result and can raise it up to 10.



    I believe it's also possible to get up to SotC 7 from the Solitary Glim Sculptor's gift opportunity card (http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/A_present_from_the_Solitary_Glim-sculptor). That's how I upped mine. (It costs wounds and nightmares, though...)

    There's also a certain Fate-locked beast that grants SotC, isn't there? I have just gotten that particular beast, so I haven't tried it myself, but that is what I have heard on the forums.

    Edit: And oh, how rude of me. Thank you for the guide! This'll be very helpful, seeing as it's my first Christmas here!
    edited by Sestina Valdis on 11/9/2015

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    Optimatum
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    11/9/2015
    Sestina Valdis wrote:
    There's also a certain Fate-locked beast that grants SotC, isn't there? I have just gotten that particular beast, so I haven't tried it myself, but that is what I have heard on the forums.



    There are two such beasts, though one is much harder to obtain and grants SotC only on passing a luck check. Both options raise it up to 10.

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    11/21/2015
    From what I remember from last year, the snow starts falling in the first week of December and comes with your TTH. It will fall once a week for 4 - 5 weeks. From December 1st to the 25th there will be an advent calendar code each day. I believe the first Mr Sacks becomes available on Christmas Day, and then the next card is added each day after that. The wicket opens once you have completed the Mr Sacks cards as long as you have 3+ taste, so the 5th of Jan is the earliest you can get there. The Wicket remains accessible until the back end of January - once the Noman costs 15 taste, your time is almost up. The Feast starts in mid-February, so there's a gap.

    Taking the incarnadine robe option does not grant a pail, so you will need to buy extras if you're planning on spending a lot of fate.

    Edit: ha! Your question was answered. Thanks lady ciel!
    edited by Màiread on 11/21/2015

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    Gemma Hawley
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    11/23/2015
    The latter. The 4-card lodgings already have something of a discount available if, instead of buying them from Penstock's, you use your friendship with Devils + some infernal items (for the Room at the Embassy), give Antique Mysteries to the Merry Gentleman (for the Room at the Beth), or give Bazaar Permits to Baseborn & Fowlingpiece at the Side-streets (for the Premises at the Bazaar).

    The Wicket does have a few other options available besides the Remotes and upgrades though. http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/A_Sundered_Sea

    Edit - NiteBrite types faster than me. wink
    edited by Gemma Hawley on 11/23/2015

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    11/12/2015
    The Master wrote:

    2. Day 4 Spending fate to side with any of the factions will result in additional taste



    Just a little note on this since the info is scattered throughout this thread and this decision involves spending fate:
    • siding with the Urchins will result in a net gain of 1 taste compared to going through the Days without spending fate
    • siding with the Duchess or Widow will result in a net gain of 2 taste or -- if you do not conclude the story once the Wicket opens -- 7 taste. However: concluding the story means losing 5 taste, but gaining a rare 312.5 echo item, so you may want to finish it for that or just for narrative closure.
    • siding with the other factions does not give you a net gain of taste. Some of them just don't have options during the Days that generate taste, while others do but on days where you could use a non-Fate option to gain taste.

    Now, this isn't the only reason to pick one faction over the others, of course! There are different 312.5 echo rewards; there are roleplaying reasons; there's wanting to learn various hidden secrets about Mr. Sacks and lacre. But if you're prioritizing earning taste of lacre in various ways described in this thread, you might want to factor in these differences.

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    Optimatum
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    11/9/2015
    I believe the Consonant Violin option gives one CP on Connected: Masters.

    @metasynthie: Note that the 8-fate stories do give 312.5 echo items as well. Out of all the faction choices, only the Dutchess gives an item that is completely fate-locked, but most of the others can only be obtained seasonally or with great difficulty. The Revolutionaries reward is the only one I'd really consider not worth it from a collecting standpoint. Also, note that not finishing the story does allow you to finish it the next year at no additional fate cost!
    edited by Optimatum on 11/9/2015

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    11/9/2015
    Danko wrote:
    Rupho, this is seriously amazing, it has almost everything I ever wanted to know about Sacksmas. Thanks!

    Lisbella Peridot wrote:
    Seconding that! You want a Christmas Card, Mr Schartenhauer?

    Thank you! I'm glad people find it useful! smile
    Thanks also to everyone who contributed information, especially NiteBrite, Metasynthie & Optimatum!

    Optimatum wrote:
    Also, note that not finishing the story does allow you to finish it the next year at no additional fate cost!

    Yes, that's an important detail: if (for whatever reason) you do not finish your Fate-locked Lacre quest, your progress will be saved and you can take off where you left next Christmas without paying further Fate!

    Now, if we could just confirm the information about Day 3's Fate-locked option....
    edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 11/9/2015

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    12/1/2015
    Time the Healer brought cards but no snow. Either it's a bug that will be fixed tomorrow, or they've revamped the Neathy winter completely for this year...

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    12/1/2015
    Grenem wrote:
    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
    Wonder if they've removed the SNOWBOUND! mechanic, or perhaps they're saving them for specific dates to release to everyone equally. That way no one gets more or less than they're meant to due to TtH coming to people at different times.
    edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 12/1/2015

    Really hope there's some source of ToL this season, and the same quantity as before. Significant changes are going to cause trouble for my plans.

    You and me both, friend. I was really planning on those extra pails of lacre to get me to my goal, and this throws a wrench into the entire thing if it's gone.

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    11/24/2015
    Hard to say, since I'm currently dreaming about Paris, 1908. No matter what though I don't think 2013 was last year :P

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    11/24/2015
    Optimatum wrote:
    Sara Hysaro wrote:
    There are at least two others who were sun-scorched, but I believe NiteBrite is the currently the only active one.


    Did some who took the action know in advance it wouldn't have consequences? Or were there multiple people unusually self-destructive for even Seekers?

    There were three of us and both of these things were true. Mac Trilby was the first scorched and is the one mentioned in old FBG interviews. I was working towards it already but it took long enough to get there that I already knew about Mac's experience before I acted. Although he didn't give the full story; I learned new things by experiencing it myself. I haven't seen Mac around in ages.

    The third was a knife and candle friend of mine by the name of Victor Gluenko who did it third without knowing about either of us. Victor also had plans to explore low stats content with me using bottled oblivion, but he dropped out of the game before getting around to it.
    edited by NiteBrite on 11/24/2015

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    12/1/2015
    Shalinoth wrote:
    Optimatum wrote:
    It would take an extraordinary number of Night-Whispers and Storm Threnodies to get enough snow even if you lucked out and drew the Urchins card enough.



    I prepared for Sackmas by creating 11 Night Whispers and 77 Storm Threnodies.. will it mean I probably won't need to spend Tears on sustaining a Noman to the Feast?

    It depends on how many weeks your Noman needs to survive. If it's 3 weeks and you spend all the ToL from 11 Pails on helping Noman (need to draw his card 6 times) then you have 199 initial Noman's Friend and 99.6% chance of survival! However, if it needs to survive 4 weeks, the chance is only 64.6%.
    edited by Vopel on 12/1/2015

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    12/1/2015
    I've edited the new Advent Calendar mechanic into the OP.

    Sorry for leaving this thread alone for a while, let's just say RL kept me very busy these past few weeks. Heaps of praise to all those who've been answering players' questions here! smile

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    12/1/2015
    No snow today. TtH just brought the cards.

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    12/3/2015
    Pyrodinium wrote:
    TTH didn't give any "Snowbound!". So I assume no lacre pails yet?

    One theory is it'll start on friday. another is that it's a complete revamp of lacre. it'll probably start friday, so there's no one who gets an extra pail this winter.

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    12/5/2015
    By the way... Pails are here! smile

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    12/5/2015
    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:


    How much ToL do I need?
    • If you have only the Monocle, you can reach ToL 8 before Mr Sacks comes round. Again, the pails are always consumed, so you need at least four pails for this in total: use the Monocle on one to reach ToL 3, then dip a soul in lacre twice (ToL 4&5), then use the Monocle for the jump from 5 to 8 - you can't use it at ToL 6! Note that this is A Scholar of the Correspondence challenge! You need SotC 6 to unlock it, it's straightforward at SotC 10. If you're below SotC 10 you might fail at the Monocle challenge, melting your Pail and giving you Wounds but no ToL... anyway, once you're at 8, you can still put four or five levels on top of that from Sacks cards.




    Thanks for the guide, all of you who contributed to it!
    Perhaps it was said on other pages in this post, but I wanted to correct (i think) the amount of Pails of Snow needed:
    Instead of 4 Pails to reach level 8 ToL, as said above, you can have a good run at 2 pails:
    1. Wait until having 1 ToL and 2 Pails (1 ToL through the Advent or at the first day of Mr. Sacks. We already got 1 Pail today)
    2. Do not linger on until the second ToL arrives but use the Monocle twice right away - reaching 7 ToL. Thus, using only 2 Pails.
    3. Mr sacks will give another 4 ToL (5 if doctor or notaries) - so thats 11 (12) ToL.
    4. Buy the Bazaar 5 lodging with 9 ToL - left with 2 ToL
    5. Twice the Monocle - 8 ToL (lost 2 Pails of Snow)
    6. Buy Beth-Lehem's Hotel with 8 ToL.
    Point being - need not spend 4 Pails but only 2 for the first prize. Another 2 for the second prize.
    Am I correct or got the calculations wrong?
    edited by Gonen on 12/5/2015
    edited by Gonen on 12/5/2015

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    12/5/2015
    Robin Mask wrote:
    Do ToL last until the next year?

    I'm a bit dubious whether I can get the 9 I need for my desired lodgings; particularly as my 'Scholar of the Correspondence' is too low to worth risking that option, so I'm stuck with dunking souls, and not a doctor/notary to get the extra pail. If I can save the four I'll definitely get, then add them onto the next year's worth, at least I know I stand a chance at some point of getting the desired lodgings smile Assuming they save XD



    Well I used a ToL which I think was with my account since 2013 (I wasn't active last 2014) so I guess you can keep ToL after the season.

    You can bump SotC to 10 by crafting certain symphonies at the Shuttered Palace. You might want to check that out although I admit that that process costs lots of actions.

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    12/4/2015
    Grenem wrote:
    Pyrodinium wrote:
    TTH didn't give any "Snowbound!". So I assume no lacre pails yet?

    One theory is it'll start on friday. another is that it's a complete revamp of lacre. it'll probably start friday, so there's no one who gets an extra pail this winter.

    The former is most likely what's occurring, since I doubt they would take an entire rehaul of the system without notifying everyone in the near past. Personally, I'm all for even distribution of lacre. It seems only fair, really.

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    12/16/2015
    @KShep: when your TtH next comes, you will be "Snowbound" and have to have the walk in front of your lodgings shovelled. The Fate option will appear then, to have a Master shovel the "snow" for you. You will get the robe, but no lacre.

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    12/16/2015
    harbourlady wrote:
    other than endlessly flipping cards, any suggestions on how to maximize the chance for an urchin card? i've saved up to buy snow from them, but i have yet to see the little buggers.

    Go somewhere with no other cards. Cut any connections you don't really need to less than 5. Rubbery men, in particular, is worth killing. Sell any pets that don't offer useful cards, or sufficiently useful cards- such as sulky bats. Sell any items that offer cards- discard or upcraft to less than 100 proscribed material.

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    12/18/2015
    Ah yes, that's a 20% hike. That's probably it then.

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    12/19/2015
    Ewan C. wrote:
    Hmm. I have all the 5-card lodgings, and don't wish to return to the Nadir really (because I boosted stats over 200); is there anything useful for me to do with this 'snow'? smile
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    12/19/2015
    i wish the urchins would appear a bit more - seems like when i didn't need them they popped up all the time, and i've only seen them once since the start of sackmas...
    can someone tell me how to get past 6 ToL, because that's where i seem stuck - do i need to go down a level (and if so, how) to be able to go from 5-8 with the monocle? or is there a way to just shoot right up from 6? i do have a dread surmise, so i could try that, and as a correspondent i have the option to write a monograph on the blasted stuff - that also only has a 40% success chance though. suggestions?

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    12/19/2015
    Failbetter has tricked me! My taste of lacre is now 6 d___ you tricksters who did that!

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    12/21/2015
    Deatheye wrote:
    you guys are freaking santa thank you
    I do have more questions though
    first if I buy premium(exceptional friend) does it give me 1 extra candle that regens actions or only a capacity boost to 40 action points?

    id be willing to spend a bit of cash to get it how much and where?
    NiteBrite I did get the taste of lacre yersteday
    I only have 2 tase of lacre though
    my stats are 62W,58S,22D,38P
    I have saved a connected urchins card


    thank you to everyone who has responded and Merry Christmassmile

    will type more when I have the time

    EF doesn't give you more actions, you always have 144 actions a day. It gives you a second candle of capacity so that you can check in less frequently without losing actions. A two candle account can go idle from empty for around 7 hours before wasting an action due to the candles filling up. It also increases your card hand capacity to 10 cards instead of 6 but again it doesn't give you more cards than you would get if you checked into the game and played them every hour on the hour. Think of EF as a convenience adder rather than as a speed up. EF also comes with access to the house of chimes, and access to the monthly Exceptional Stories (like a monthly issued magazine, its not retroactive though) which are short but interesting add-on stories.

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    12/22/2015
    That won't give you a robe; a generous someone has given you an opportunity to play lucky dip with Sacks's sack, and you'll get a random (possibly unique) item as a result.

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    12/22/2015
    To level your Melancholy as a new player, there is a card in your opportunity deck called Weather at Last. If you choose the options "So much has been lost" it will give you 3 cp of melancholy (and removes 3 cp of hedonist if you have that). The wiki says it can level you all the way up to 10, and its a standard frequency card so you should be able to see it quite often if you are looking for it.

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    12/23/2015
    You'll be fine, Mal. You just need to get the tracking quality (Seeking a Prison of Flint) - everything else ties together.

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    12/24/2015
    Ridagoth wrote:
    the truthseeker wrote:
    If you did Part 1 in November, it was a separate and self-contained story for that month. If so, it is vital you start part II before December 31! if you started the bundle or part one in December, they both technically should be one story group and not run out if started from the House of Chimes before December 31'st but please ask Failbetter to be sure!

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    http://failbettergames.tumblr.com/post/134332348569/i-started-flint-with-the-release-of-part-two-but

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    Once you’ve had the initial conversation with the Bishop in the House of Chimes, the whole story is open. If you do need to talk to the bishop again, there’s a storylet in your Lodgings that links to him. Hope that helps!

    Well, whole story is open sounds good to me!
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    12/24/2015
    Wow, how the heck am I failing to get Night Whisper out of the Fidgeting Writer story so much? Last 30ish Tales of Terror wasted. It's as if the difficulty was secretly raised.

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    12/28/2015
    A through summary, from my point of view (Monday TtH). I will also note as someone who had a TtH early on Monday previously (4AM EST), my time was moved on December 1st to close to 12 PM EST. This is particularly notable because I got the first two Snowbound events within an hour of each other when it triggered, and I believe others with a similar time-slot also has their TtH delayed.

    I finished with 3 Pails of Lacre (I'm fairly certain) and 4 sets worth of cards (including the set from Advent 1). I have received cards post-Christmas, but am uncertain of their senders' TtH.

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    12/27/2015
    Good news for those caught flat-footed by this: a clear path is still an extant quality, and therefore, theoretically, purchasing so-called snow from urchins should be possible.can anyone who's had a TTH visit and drawn urchins check the option is still there?
    edited by Grenem on 12/27/2015

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    12/27/2015
    Grenem wrote:
    Ridagoth wrote:
    wraith wrote:
    let's hope that is intentional, by the way i'm not sure if it's a good decision spend tol for a remote address or preserve it for a 5 cards appartment

    If it is, then it's something to keep in mind that Christmas cards (not Mr Sacks twelve days) and Snowbound definitely ends at Dec. 26 from Time the Healer for next year. This is my first Christmas in the Neath, so I have no idea if prior Snowbound occurrences ended after Dec. 25, or it could be a new set up. I am hoping some type of resolution, be it support responding or a social message, can help confirm the missing Snowbound as intentional or not. I hope someone with a recent Time the Healer today onwards can chime in that they received Snowbound to make sure.

    Part of the reason this concerns me is that I am unsure what will happen to the 'A Clear Path' quality (necessary to earn pails from Urchins on their card) when Time no longer relates to Snowbound. It would be interesting to find out when that quality goes away, be it when Christmas is officially gone from the Neath or sometime sooner. I feel it would go away once Christmas is over in the Neath, but I have no idea since this is my first time experiencing the holiday in the Neath.
    edited by Ridagoth on 12/27/2015

    Well the snow should have nothing to do with the season, and the lacre-fall didn't start on a day equivalent to the one it ended on. I'd think the devs would try to be fair, and ensure everyone can get the same # of pails, but i could be wrong. I really hope i'm not.

    Technically since my TTH fell on a Friday and Christmas day, no for those of us on this day, but overall, they were very fair how they spaced it out.
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    12/26/2015
    My TTH hit an hour and a half ago and did not bring Snowbound!

    Quite disapointed tbh, it means I only had the chance to clear my path twice, (and only once from TTH)

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    12/26/2015
    Michael7050 wrote:
    My TTH hit an hour and a half ago and did not bring Snowbound!

    I see... This might be a bug, since my two other characters got 3 Pails from Snowbound! (TtH for them comes on Thu). Not sure though if should send a ticket to FBG, they must have recieved a lot already

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    12/26/2015
    That's annoying I didn't have enough money for fate before my last TTH but bought some as soon as I got paid so that I could get a Master to clear my path. I really was expecting at least one more snowfall in December.

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    12/26/2015
    Vopel wrote:
    Michael7050 wrote:
    My TTH hit an hour and a half ago and did not bring Snowbound!

    I see... This might be a bug, since my two other characters got 3 Pails from Snowbound! (TtH for them comes on Thu). Not sure though if should send a ticket to FBG, they must have recieved a lot already


    Always report bugs when you see them, even if you aren't sure if they are bugs. Complacency is a dangerous thing and I recommend eternal vigilance. I still remember how SMEN ended. A culture of silence is bad news plain and simple. Always report bugs.
    edited by NiteBrite on 12/26/2015

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    12/26/2015
    time the healer didn't give me the snowbound storylet, already reported to failbetter.

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    12/26/2015
    yes i know that is slower than the normal but seems that i'm not the only person with that bug, michael has it too

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    12/26/2015
    My alt got TtH last night. I think it wasn't past midnight at GMT time zone. There was snowbound but no cards. I thought we were gonna get another batch of cards.

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    12/26/2015
    ridagoth don't worry, i wasn't mad, i was just explaining that could be common bug

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    12/26/2015
    I have the same problem too upset Seems pretty peculiar, but it is encouraging at least to hear apparently its not intentional.

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    12/26/2015
    let's hope that is intentional, by the way i'm not sure if it's a good decision spend tol for a remote address or preserve it for a 5 cards appartment

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    12/27/2015
    The cards will still be available. You might have to buy snow from the Urchins after the 31st - I'm not sure when they stop selling, but it'll stop snowing soon.

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    12/27/2015
    Ridagoth wrote:
    wraith wrote:
    let's hope that is intentional, by the way i'm not sure if it's a good decision spend tol for a remote address or preserve it for a 5 cards appartment

    If it is, then it's something to keep in mind that Christmas cards (not Mr Sacks twelve days) and Snowbound definitely ends at Dec. 26 from Time the Healer for next year. This is my first Christmas in the Neath, so I have no idea if prior Snowbound occurrences ended after Dec. 25, or it could be a new set up. I am hoping some type of resolution, be it support responding or a social message, can help confirm the missing Snowbound as intentional or not. I hope someone with a recent Time the Healer today onwards can chime in that they received Snowbound to make sure.

    Part of the reason this concerns me is that I am unsure what will happen to the 'A Clear Path' quality (necessary to earn pails from Urchins on their card) when Time no longer relates to Snowbound. It would be interesting to find out when that quality goes away, be it when Christmas is officially gone from the Neath or sometime sooner. I feel it would go away once Christmas is over in the Neath, but I have no idea since this is my first time experiencing the holiday in the Neath.
    edited by Ridagoth on 12/27/2015

    Well the snow should have nothing to do with the season, and the lacre-fall didn't start on a day equivalent to the one it ended on. I'd think the devs would try to be fair, and ensure everyone can get the same # of pails, but i could be wrong. I really hope i'm not.

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    12/27/2015
    maleclypse wrote:
    So the total number of pails of snow for this year will be 5, without purchasing extras? Is that the usual amount?

    Last Year, IIRC, there were 3 pails from natural snowbounds and 1 from an advent snowbound, as well as one pail from the calendar. However, i'm not sure i do recall correctly.

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    12/27/2015
    Don't forget: you can also get a pail of snow on Day 9 of Mr. Sacks, and another pail of snow on Day 12 if you're feeling Ruthless (and don't mind missing out on 4 CP of Masters connection).
    edited by metasynthie on 12/27/2015

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    12/27/2015
    metasynthie wrote:
    Don't forget: you can also get a pail of snow on Day 9 of Mr. Sacks, and another pail of snow on Day 12 if you're feeling Ruthless (and don't mind missing out on 4 CP of Masters connection).
    edited by metasynthie on 12/27/2015



    wraith wrote:
    metasynthe if you don't have the items to increase futher than 5 they're pretty useless

    Actually, one pail of Snow can be used for a Destiny, instead of waiting for another holiday to cash it in then. If one missed Hallowmass' option to if they had none, now's the time! (My thanks to malthaussen reminding me on this!) But yes, if at 6, the Taste is capped with pails, and unless you have a Monocle and a Taste of 5 which adds +3 to 8 this way AND a SoTC level to mostly succeed said check, don't do this otherwise and choose one of the other options that day (and I would likely only choose the snow option once if doing this in the first place.)

    Kukapetal wrote:
    I don't understand, I was only snowbound twice and so those two pails plus the one from the advent calendar only add up to three, yet I saw someone mention 5 earlier in the thread. Did I do something wrong and miss out on a couple of pails somehow?


    Were you signed up earlier than December and were you active every TTH and playing "SNOWBOUND!" Edit: including Christmas'? (If you miss cashing in anything from Time the Healer or TTH such as the earnest of payment or the above SNOWBOUND!, it does not stack and is simply overwritten.) If so, the options you chose whether to pay, do it yourself or help others grant a pail of so-called snow (the Fate-locked option grants an item for trade in for Home comforts or one Transportation item and gives another value, but no Pail. Since I tried it this year, I'll vouch for this.)
    If you did all this, contact support where they will ask you some questions to determine if this is a bug or not.
    edited by the truthseeker on 12/27/2015
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    12/25/2015
    NiteBrite wrote:
    Today wasn't the bottle day, that's day 2. So you haven't missed it's ToL yet. Also even if you used up your bottle of first sporing today by accident, there's still loads of time to get a new bottle for day 2. You get them from the standard frequency Mr wines sale card which shows up all the time. Also you can wait to play the 12 days cards. You have almost the entire month of January you can delay if you need to for item grinding.
    edited by NiteBrite on 12/25/2015


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    12/26/2015
    Deatheye wrote:
    ok and what is the best place to raise docks?


    people usually said the carnival
    edited by Deatheye on 12/26/2015

    Actually, the tankard, not location is the best way to raise it. You need the Docks at 10-19 to do so and it gives 75 CP per 3 turns and 150 Glim spent (or 50 glim and 1 turn per 25 CP gained.) The carnival Meet some zailors offers 10 CP but costs 2 turns spent (or 5 CP each only) and caps at Docks 10. For above reasons, it's best never to get Docks below 10 or use conflict cards to raise it above 10.


    However, if going to a location, that depends:

    • If going to Mutton Island, Crash!'s Rescue the Crew with Time Passing in the Southern Archipelago 9 gives 150 CP up to Docks 30 (along with Magnanimous +5, Heartless -5 Ruthless -5 and resets the carousel.)
    • As a one-time thing, you can side with and Fight for the Dockers at The Battle of Wolfstack Docks for 100 CP (with 60 glim, +3 bonus CP to Dangerous and 1 CP wounds.)
    • Sell a Soothe & Cooper Long-Box (bought with a Taste of Lacre in Late January at the Wicket) offers 50 Echoes and 120 CP Docks.
    • If you are willing to grind at Court, the Novel A Patriotic Adventure! offers 50 CP Docks and 50 CP Bohemian, plus +2 reputation, 6000 Moon Pearls, and a copy of your work (for God's Editors or Mr. Sacks for example.)
    • If you are a captain and have the 5 Distant Shores and 5 Zee stories each time, Provide Sage Advice offers 40 CP per.
    • If you have the Urchin Scores to spend, Sabotage the Cannon on the conflict card offers 30 CP per
    • On The Acacia and the Butterfly 30/30 Docks Widow conflict card, settling in the dock's favour gives +30 CP at the cost of 500 CP Widow with a 4 Strong-Backed labour and a 1-80 Bundle of Oddities draw reward.
    • If you're willing to grind in court, A Newly Arranged Folk Song offers 25 CP Docks and 25 CP Bohemian per publication (plus +1 Reputation and 3000 Moon Pearl)
    • The A riot in Spite! Wade in with Fist s Flying offers 12 CP plus an occasional (0-1) Criminals. Not worth it unless mining Criminals and must draw in Spite.
    • If you keep selling your connected pet, you can Intervene to help the Docker for 15 CP
    • If you are with the Bohemians/Urchins/Great Game/Docks, you can find a hard working home for a mark of credit for 10 CP per each faction, plus 12 Echoes worth of Intriguing Snippets (60) Not recommended for this, but it's a nice bonus if you have your Violin and Safe passage.
    • There are just too many 10 CP 5 CP and lower options out there to list but here is all Docks gain. The easiest repeatable is 5 CP Boast about your wounds in a dockside tavern in the Dueling the Black Ribbon section.
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    12/26/2015
    Deatheye wrote:
    what is the pewter tankard?

    I think most people here don't realize you are asking for help as a character with very low early game stats.

    The pewter tankard is an item sold in the pawnbrokers shop which converts glim into connected docks. Its good only in the late game when you have persuasive in the mid 90s and can farm an area known as mahogany hall for glim. To buy supplies using connected docks you also need a lot of rostygold which you get from being a PoSI (all stats above 100) and using the unfinished business option in watchmakers hill (dangerous 70+).

    Since you are still very much in the early game Deatheye, and you only have two stats above 50 (with your best stat being watchful 62), you won't really be able to do most of the things people here are suggesting as efficient. Efficient grinds don't really come into play until you are a PoSI (100+ in all stats and completing storyline on becoming a PoSI are required). For now, I would say play stories and see if any of them pay you a decent amount whispered secrets. Whispered secrets are pretty efficient to use for supplies until your stats are better. When your stats are below 70, I believe the max amount of items you can earn from a normal storyline is equal to your relevant stat divided by 100. For example a person with stats 50 should be able to get about 0.50 echos worth of items from the stories available to them.

    The pewter tankard is a good item, but unless you have a huge pile of glim and rostygold on hand already it's probably not worth buying now until you have leveled up a bit more. Consider taking on a patron to level up quickly.
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    12/26/2015
    Did anyone get Snowbound! today or yesterday after 12 GMT? Ergs didn't get his snow now when TtH came.

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    12/24/2015
    the truthseeker wrote:
    If you did Part 1 in November, it was a separate and self-contained story for that month. If so, it is vital you start part II before December 31! if you started the bundle or part one in December, they both technically should be one story group and not run out if started from the House of Chimes before December 31'st but please ask Failbetter to be sure!

    Hopefully this will help clear it up:

    http://failbettergames.tumblr.com/post/134332348569/i-started-flint-with-the-release-of-part-two-but

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    12/28/2015
    Parelle wrote:
    A through summary, from my point of view (Monday TtH). I will also note as someone who had a TtH early on Monday previously (4AM EST), my time was moved on December 1st to close to 12 PM EST. This is particularly notable because I got the first two Snowbound events within an hour of each other when it triggered, and I believe others with a similar time-slot also has their TtH delayed.

    I finished with 3 Pails of Lacre (I'm fairly certain) and 4 sets worth of cards (including the set from Advent 1). I have received cards post-Christmas, but am uncertain of their senders' TtH.


    Can confirm the TtH shift. I used to have TtH in the late morning and now its around 18.00

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    12/28/2015
    Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
    Hurrah!!!!

    Thank-you Mr. (Lord?) Gardiner! smile
    edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 12/28/2015


    One of the Masters, surely(?)

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    12/28/2015
    According to Candle Blog, last year they gave these epic rewards. [Click]

    But my question is which Sacks-Day does each one resolve on? i.e. what does each miss out on by playing their fate story to completion?

    I know that the Urchins one resolved on Day 10, preventing one from acquiring a Parabola Linen.

    EDIT: That resolve-day info is in the Wiki I think. From what I can see, the factions use the following days as story options (replacing your usual Mr Sacks choices those days if you choose to pursue them, and needing resolved / item collected on the latest day noted)

    Scholars = Day 5, 9 & 12 (?)
    Revolutionaries = Day 6 & 11
    Duchess = Day 6 & Penstock's Wicket
    Urchins = Day 7 & 10
    Widow = Day 7 & Penstock's Wicket
    Docks = Day 9 & Penstock's Wicket

    I confess I'm confused about some of these Fate faction choices requiring you to spend different Mr Sacks days on them, missing out on Masters gain, Lacre and rare items - but perhaps hidden within those faction choices is much better gains? It's been too long since I played through the Urchins and Revolutionary Fate content of Mr Sacks. I just remember being glad that I did, mainly because it suited those characters who played them, and the epic items didn't hurt. smile

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    edited by Shalinoth on 12/28/2015
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    12/28/2015
    Deatheye wrote:
    I thouth fate based contet is not on the wiki

    Well, sort of- anything related to fate locked content isn't allowed on the wiki- but if you can see it all without paying fate or journal diving, then it's allowed.

    So if there's a visible "This requires the sheperd's timepiece" storylet, even to those without one, then you can mention where it is, though not what's behind it. (the sheperd's timepiece is a fate-locked item)

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    12/28/2015
    The Wiki's existence is already tenuous at best. If FBG wanted to issue s take down notice, they could. Their game is largely made of words and putting those words elsewhere is a potential threat to their copyright if they don't challenge it. So they made a fanworks guideline rules for to help guide players and creators on how not to violate copy right. We all want the wiki to continue to exist right? So play by the rules and don't post fate content there, it's what FBG requires of us.

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    12/28/2015
    NiteBrite wrote:
    The Wiki's existence is already tenuous at best. If FBG wanted to issue s take down notice, they could. Their game is largely made of words and putting those words elsewhere is a potential threat to their copyright if they don't challenge it. So they made a fanworks guideline rules for to help guide players and creators on how not to violate copy right. We all want the wiki to continue to exist right? So play by the rules and don't post fate content there, it's what FBG requires of us.



    I wouldn't say "tenuous." The 1.5 wikis we have are officially blessed. The wiki admins and FBG staff collaborate to provide something for the player base for which there is a demand, in a way that doesn't antagonize Fallen London's business model. Typically this collaboration is to optimize usefulness to players seeking a resource while continuing to operate in good faith, as Fallen London sells story, not gameplay.

    This relationship is strong enough that FBG actually proactively reached out to us before Sunless Sea launched to talk about how to handle the Sunless Sea wiki. (Mods, feel free to squelch if anything in here is too back-stagey, or was shared in confidence and I've just forgotten that detail.)

    Edit to add: the FBG staff don't approve what is added, and we essentially have as much editorial control any wiki editors can when discussing someone else's IP. The collaboration is more like "we know how to reach whom if anyone has concerns about anything." (omgethics)
    edited by Theus on 12/28/2015

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    12/28/2015
    NiteBrite wrote:
    The Wiki's existence is already tenuous at best. If FBG wanted to issue s take down notice, they could. Their game is largely made of words and putting those words elsewhere is a potential threat to their copyright if they don't challenge it. So they made a fanworks guideline rules for to help guide players and creators on how not to violate copy right. We all want the wiki to continue to exist right? So play by the rules and don't post fate content there, it's what FBG requires of us.



    What I meant was, you can see that there is a fate-based choice on certain days, but the wiki will not tell you what the choice's rewards are. In terms of organising your Mr Sacks days, though, the wiki can tell you on what days your Fate purchase will require action. It just won't tell you the action itself, or the outcome. So that's in keeping with the spirit of it. It's merely a placeholder to say "this branch contains a fate storylet along with non-fate options".

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    12/28/2015
    Ah, yes. I can now see that to be quite accurate from that perspective. I hope you didn't mind me sharing my own. I was a little worried about people feeling like the wikis were either illicit or operating under constant threat.

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    12/24/2015
    Starmiya wrote:
    Down to 6 Tales of Terror here...

    Oh well, I'll have to find a way to effectively grind them again.



    The best way is to steal them in flit. I didn't take too much risk and went with 100 tales at once. Excess is not a problem but shortage is really problem. RNG did balance itself and I got my needed night whispers plus four really pretty souls with the excess.

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    12/25/2015
    You need to build up your Casing and select The Big Score: Choose Your Target. From there you can access Thefts of a Particular Character.

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    12/25/2015
    Starmiya wrote:
    I had been trying to find the Thefts of Particular Character storylet for a while though, and it's simply not there in The Flit.
    Is it not under "The Big Score: Choose a Target" (or, equivalently, "Preparing for a Big Score" then "The Big Score: choose your target")?

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    12/25/2015
    Today wasn't the bottle day, that's day 2. So you haven't missed it's ToL yet. Also even if you used up your bottle of first sporing today by accident, there's still loads of time to get a new bottle for day 2. You get them from the standard frequency Mr wines sale card which shows up all the time. Also you can wait to play the 12 days cards. You have almost the entire month of January you can delay if you need to for item grinding.
    edited by NiteBrite on 12/25/2015

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    12/23/2015
    Deatheye wrote:
    can a side of the numinatrix help me with taste of laquer like getting one of the items to trade with the urchins? what side should I pick can I change it?



    I don't think the sides will help that way, as far as I know. I believe that your choice of sides will only affect which faction's Opportunity Card will be able to give you "Counting the Days..." and "A Pocketful of Loose Change" (qualities used for the Numinatrix storylet carousel). Also, some other storylets that are not on the faction opportunity cards will only be open to people from certain groups (e.g. on the opportunity card that lets you clear wounds a bit, you can only choose to use a certain Rubbery cure if you are siding with one of the 'underdog' factions, e.g. Rubberies, Urchins, Criminals).

    You can change your "Closest to" on opportunity cards, or by selling the location of the cave of the Nadir, but the former is usually costly in terms of Connections and items, and the latter is one-off and only works for some sides (Urchins, Devils, Great Game and Revolutionaries, as far as I can remember).

    I'd advise picking a side that you like and find interesting, first and foremost. If you can't decide between two or more, then look at their Opportunity cards. Some sides have options on their cards that can be quite profitable (e.g. you can get Criminal favours from the Criminals card), so you might want to pick a side with not many/no profitable options on their card (The Great Game, for example). I don't think it makes very much difference otherwise-- correct me if I'm wrong.
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    12/23/2015
    @NiteBrite: That's still a bit confusing, though. Suppose one has not yet done Part I of Flint, if that is moved out of the House of Chimes but Part II not started before the 31st, will Part II still be available? Maybe one should finish Part I ASAP just to mak' siccar?

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    12/22/2015
    Let's be clear here, I don't have a rubbery spouse at present as was stated above. I am player married with 2 tattoos. Check out the outfit I am currently wearing on my profile to see how the BDR works. But yeah this means capped BDR possible is even higher than what I have which is ridiculous. I get to N4 for free and N7 costs me 15 MW. A person with capped BDR gets N5 for free, and N7 for a mere 12 MW. Which is ridiculous. Utterly, totally, ridiculous.

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    12/22/2015
    Only the third one, the western tower gives you the material for a pail though. What profit is good cash if you are late game person of some importance (posi for short). Western tower needs watchful 70 before it will show up in your deck.
    edited by NiteBrite on 12/22/2015

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    12/22/2015
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    Check out the outfit I am currently wearing on my profile to see how the BDR works.

    NiteBrite, I just wanted to say that I absolutely love the name of your yacht! :-)
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    12/19/2015
    harbourlady wrote:
    ha! should have checked the calendar first! so now i'm up to 7. Having posted about my ToL 6 issue, i naturally found the answer to it in this string almost immediatly (must have skipped over it the first 4 times). I think at this point i'll hang on to my buckets till the wicket opens. From what i understand, at this point i can expect another few ToL from Sacks, which will allow me to purchase my 5 card lodgings at the Baazar and the I should be able to get back up using the buckets so that i can get the 5 card room at the Beth. That sound right?



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    12/21/2015
    As an Exceptional Friend, you get two action candles. What this means is that actions still accumulate at a rate of 1 every 10 minutes, but they keep accumulating until 40, not until 20 (so to use all actions, you don't need to play every 3:20 hours, but every 6:40 hours).

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    12/19/2015
    Gonen wrote:
    Grenem wrote:


    Again, does anyone know when the urchins stop appearing? I need another dozen pails to get my desired levels of ToL.


    Another dozen???
    How many ToL do you need? Doesn't it cap at 15 with Surmise? Or do you intend to buy the whole real estate in the Neath?

    It caps at 15. I desire to reach ToL 7 enough times to buy a vial in the nadir each sunday, and a 5-card lodging besides, as well as finish with 7 ToL. OFC, I might turn out to not get to use all that, but it's worth trying to get as many as possible. i might need 9.5 instead of 12, but it remains to be seen when the lacre will melt- if i'll have enough time to finish the nadir and get to 7 again. I also might need less because, despite my best efforts, i fail to draw the catafalrique some weeks. but i want to prepare for the best case scenario.
    edited by Grenem on 12/19/2015

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    12/19/2015
    The surmise option caps at 15, but the Mr. Sacks options don't, I believe? I assume that's how people got up to 24. I suppose you could get as high as 29 but maybe the quality description doesn't change?

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    12/20/2015
    Esteban Delgado wrote:
    Allow me to ask on behalf of those who are not POSI: what is the best use of the small amount of ToL we can achieve besides spending 3 of it on a Remote Lodging? There will probably be some left over, and obviously we are not going to be purchasing 5-card lodgings or a Noman.


    It's worth noting that a Noman costs the same amount of ToL as remote lodgings, at least at the start of the season. It's a cool story, so you might as well get one and feed it -- you don't have to preserve a Noman's life beyond winter if what you want out of it is a very valuable and rare Elemental Secret, for instance!

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    Thanks. smile

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  • Sorry if this is a bit of a repeat of what's already been said, but I'm trying to parse through all the details and what makes sense in terms of strategy. I'm a newly-Goated POSI with SotC 10, and this is my first Sacksmas. I have all the four card lodgings and a remote address, so I think I'm aiming for one or more five card lodgings as my goal.
  • I currently have three buckets of snow, a Semiotic Monocle, two Tears of the Bazaar, some Storm Threnodies and four Last Hopes waiting to be turned into Night Whispers if need be... so I think I'm pretty well if not ideally kitted out for getting a lodging or two.
  • My questions relate to the mechanics, which I know have been touched on up thread:
  • 1. Specifically, I've seen on I'm a Candle that I should be getting Taste of Lacre up to 8 before Mr. Sacks shows up - why is that? What would I be missing out on by not looking at/dunking/otherwise interacting with my pails before then?
  • 2. I've seen a strategy up thread that suggests waiting and getting a first TOL from Mr. Sacks then using pails to get the first five card lodging. Is this a better strategy than doing #1? Any risk to going this route?
  • 3. I'd like the Bazaar lodging and one other (would love all three but doubt I can swing it this year). Is that feasible and how many buckets will I likely need to buy (and when do I buy them)? I have no soul.
  • 4. Anything else I should be aiming for? I've seen reference to getting your TOL up really high through Tears, Dreadful Surmises and the like - does that have any benefits or it just cool to do?
  • Thanks in advance for any tips as I try to unravel the mechanics without wasting all this tasty lacre. Feel free to PM rather than cluttering the thread if these are really basic questions. Appreciate it!
  • (edit: also, why does my message show up with bulletpoints on the left?)
    edited by Kilrathi on 12/18/2015
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    12/18/2015
    Kilrathi wrote:
  • Sorry if this is a bit of a repeat of what's already been said, but I'm trying to parse through all the details and what makes sense in terms of strategy. I'm a newly-Goated POSI with SotC 10, and this is my first Sacksmas. I have all the four card lodgings and a remote address, so I think I'm aiming for one or more five card lodgings as my goal.
  • I currently have three buckets of snow, a Semiotic Monocle, two Tears of the Bazaar, some Storm Threnodies and four Last Hopes waiting to be turned into Night Whispers if need be... so I think I'm pretty well if not ideally kitted out for getting a lodging or two.
  • My questions relate to the mechanics, which I know have been touched on up thread:
  • 1. Specifically, I've seen on I'm a Candle that I should be getting Taste of Lacre up to 8 before Mr. Sacks shows up - why is that? What would I be missing out on by not looking at/dunking/otherwise interacting with my pails before then?
  • 2. I've seen a strategy up thread that suggests waiting and getting a first TOL from Mr. Sacks then using pails to get the first five card lodging. Is this a better strategy than doing #1? Any risk to going this route?
  • 3. I'd like the Bazaar lodging and one other (would love all three but doubt I can swing it this year). Is that feasible and how many buckets will I likely need to buy (and when do I buy them)? I have no soul.
  • 4. Anything else I should be aiming for? I've seen reference to getting your TOL up really high through Tears, Dreadful Surmises and the like - does that have any benefits or it just cool to do?
  • Thanks in advance for any tips as I try to unravel the mechanics without wasting all this tasty lacre. Feel free to PM rather than cluttering the thread if these are really basic questions. Appreciate it!
  • (edit: also, why does my message show up with bulletpoints on the left?)
    edited by Kilrathi on 12/18/2015

    To get the bazaar you need 2 buckets and 3 point ToL from sacks, or 4 buckets and 1 point. Personally, I'd go up to 6 ToL, then use sacks. (i have a dreadful surmise, which means i don't need to do the easy-but-caps-at-5 dip a soul in it instead, but if you don't think you can prepare well enough to get the ToL, that's fine, use the dip a soul in it.)
    I'm going to assume that you read the list of how to get ToL from sacks- and that getting 3 points isn't that hard for you, so you need 2 pails. Then you'd need 3 for the brass embassy and 2 with a single extra point ToL from sacks for the royal bethlehem. (which can be substituted with 3 pails)
    So you'd need to get 4 buckets and 4 points ToL from sacks (viable for free, though if you're not doctor/notary, it'd require taking advantage of the melting mr. sacks, which also gives a bonus bucket.), or 5 buckets and 3 points ToL from sacks- viable for free with mr. eaten's sacks, i believe.
    either way, you'll need to pay to get another ? buckets- depending on what else you do- to get the last lodgings. i believe the most free buckets you can get is 6, and you'd need all of them to get 3 lodgings, as well as being a doctor/notary.

    don't forget that you can, once you open the wicket gate (passing through requires ToL but doesn't consume it), use a 1-lacre consuming option to go from 6 to 5, then use another bucket to go from 5 to 8.
    edited by Grenem on 12/18/2015

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    The soothe and cooper long-box does have a use though. If you go to Wolf Stack docks, there's a story called Aspiring Zee-Captains where you can sell the long-box in exchange for a storynexus metaquality that carries over to sunless sea if you own that game and link your accounts. The quality lets your sunless sea captains always start with one free soothe and cooper long-box which is nice.

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    Oh, yes, sorry - it's been a while, and I forgot about the crossover. I think I must have tried to blot those particular longboxes from my mind (so. much. camping.)

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    12/19/2015
    Ewan C. wrote:
    Hmm. I have all the 5-card lodgings, and don't wish to return to the Nadir really (because I boosted stats over 200); is there anything useful for me to do with this 'snow'? smile

    Hold onto it? Each pail will sell to de gustibus for 50 echoes. i forgot about this earlier. i believe if they melt, because you missed de gustibus, it'll turn into direful reflections (vendor trash worth 12.5 echoes) instead.

    My turn to ask a question- does anyone know when the holiday urchin cards stop manifesting?

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    12/16/2015
    Yes, I'm normally camped out at the Forgotten Quarter since I want to draw the Urchins card and the Give a Gift! one too.
    Grenem wrote:
    Go somewhere with no other cards.



    Thankfully, I started the grind once Hallowmas ended, and have a nice stack of Night Whispers and Storm Threnodies (plus a few Last Hope of the Fidgeting Writer waiting in the eaves). I'm also blessed to be a bit silly in ensuring that all my connections are 50 and above, so I think I still have a chance. Now it's off to Court to grind SoTC.
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    12/16/2015
    You can also force draw the Urchins card (or any other Connection card) from your Lodgings by using Favourable Circumstances (which you can get with Fate or with Notability).

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    12/16/2015
    Grenem wrote:
    harbourlady wrote:
    other than endlessly flipping cards, any suggestions on how to maximize the chance for an urchin card? i've saved up to buy snow from them, but i have yet to see the little buggers.

    Go somewhere with no other cards. Cut any connections you don't really need to less than 5. Rubbery men, in particular, is worth killing. Sell any pets that don't offer useful cards, or sufficiently useful cards- such as sulky bats. Sell any items that offer cards- discard or upcraft to less than 100 proscribed material.


    Depending on your circumstances and level of obsessiveness, it might also be worth culling incendiary gossip (if you're a member of a club), cash in and avoid acquiring favours: criminals (to get rid of the implausible penance card), and borrowing moon-pearls from the sardonic music-hall singer (zeroing your acquaintance with her, and replacing her 2 useful cards with 1 useless one. I actually did this by abandoning her in the Elder Continent, but that might be a bit excessive...)

    Personally, I'm also tempted to use this as an opportunity to leave The Young Stags and, once the Sacksmas season is over, give The Parthenaeum a try.
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    12/18/2015
    It is adding VAT to the base cost I think?

    Shalinoth wrote:
    Bit random, but I'm buying more fate for Sackmas so kinda on-topic.

    When I go to buy fate it says 66p per 4 fate, then suddenly it reloads and says 79p per 4 fate (with bulk discounts of course). Is this something to do with default payment method raising the original cost? Paypal fees maybe? As a UK buyer using GBP, are Super-rewards the better option?

    .
    edited by Shalinoth on 12/18/2015

    edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 12/19/2015

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    12/15/2015
    Kylestien wrote:
    How did you get the lacre? I have 3 buckets of so-called snow and no lacre at the moment.


    I DON'T KNOW IT WAS JUST THERE

    But seriously, the ony thing I can think of is I somehow had 2 left over from last year, because I had it before the release of this. But I don't think you can HAVE leftover Putting The Peices Together. I'm honestly as confused as you on this one, but hey I'm not gonna turn my nose doen to free PTPT.


    I can confirm that PTPTTOL lasts the whole year. This is likely because you can spend it in the Nadir to get Tears of the Bazaar year-round.

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    12/15/2015
    Starmiya wrote:
    So I followed the guide... dipped a soul twice on the lacre. Did the Semiotic Monocle thingy, and then basically lost all my ToL. To make it worse, I tried getting some back with my Tears of the Bazaar but it only showed a phrase or two about the lacre.

    Basically, I lost all ToL, and one of my prized vials, and I feel extremely miserable.

    Thanks FL. =V

    ToL is the phrases about lacre. It doesn't visibly increase, and it increments in levels, not CP. the only way you'd know without the profile is to memorize which phrase corresponds to what, and that doesn't work with levels above 15 (not that you should be getting levels above 15, but the point stands.)

    I lost one of my vials of tears myself- though i knew that was the risk, and i got it back with ToL 7. still, i'm melancholy about it's loss.

    You should have at least 7 ToL at the moment.

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    12/15/2015
    'Pails of So-Called Snow' are Items - they show up in your inventory, under "Curiosity".

    'Putting the Pieces Together: The Taste of Lacre' is a Quality. You can check out your value by going to the "Myself" tab, expand the "Story" category and search for "Lacre".

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    12/15/2015
    Parelle wrote:
    Grenem wrote:



    in the meanwhile, i'm trying to drive off my rubbery aquaintances, but it's not going quickly. apparently, killing them doesn't kill the connection, just cuts it by ~100 cp. it'll be a while before they're gone from the deck.


    Having just worked on that myself, cash Rubbery Men out via Call for Favours in the Forbidden Quarter. You'll also want to trade away or use your warm Amber.

    well, no, not really. someday i'll want to cash it all in again. until then, i'll use it to crush the connection faster, and get some more of it. it's the conflict cards that are a real nuisance- no one likes the rubberies.

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    12/15/2015
    Parelle wrote:
    The conflict cards disappear if you get Rubbery Men under 5. I've been enjoying my rubbery free deck for a week or so and it's quite pleasant.

    I know. i just did. The rewards were quite nice, too- though it'll be a while before i can turn the amber into coins.

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    12/16/2015
    I would like to use my fate to buy an Incarnadine Robe, but I don't see the option anywhere -- how do I get one?

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    12/9/2015
    I've never seen a single person eager to be snowbound, much less a whole group of them. This perverse anticipation must be a purely Neathy phenomenon, considering how deceptively dangerous it can be to shovel snow in the morning.

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    It appears we are finally snowbound!
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    12/5/2015
    Robin Mask wrote:

    Thanks to yourself and Docteur for answering smile

    And nope . . .

    No one warned me that the Court would shut off, or that it was incredibly useful later on in the game. I raced through a particular storyline, and have never since been able to go back (a particular and sole gripe about the game, as I would love to go back and complete the things I never had the chance to do) . . . if you actually mean the Shuttered Palace, I just travelled there, but no such option exists. So with those cut off to me - I'm extremely limited as to where to raise SotC (I completed the university, so the things there that can raise it are also locked off, but less bitter about that one, as I did everything I needed to do and was aware it would vanish).



    Yeah, it's the Empress' Court, I've looked at the wikia and this is the storylet that I mentioned.

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    12/5/2015
    Màiread wrote:
    Yep, that's very true. Giving Sacks a pail isn't a great use of the card or the bucket, but assuming we get a free point from the advent calendar as per usual you'll save time/buckets that way. Good catch!


    Here's another trick, once the wicket gate is open. assuming you are at 0, 3 or 6, to get to 8 efficiently.

    use buckets to reach six. If you didn't have nine, Take one of the 1 ToL actions, and use another bucket to hit 8. This is a very nice bucket conservation trick, since it reaches 8 in three actions, where before you'd have needed 4. Of course, this isn't availible until mr. sacks is gone, which reduces it's effectiveness a little.

    EDIT: opps, someone already listed it in this page. still, it bears repeating, so this is still there regardless.
    edited by Grenem on 12/5/2015

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    12/6/2015
    So i used the monocle on the bucket we received from the advent calendar, expecting it to result in ToL - instead, it increased my SoC a bit above 10, but no ToL. I'm wondering if anyone else had this happen? Normally anything that raises my SoC makes for a happy harbourlady, but i'm really shooting to maximize my ToL this year to get the 5 card lodging at the Bazaar or the Beth.

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    12/6/2015
    I think ToL doesn't give you the numeric value, it gives you the title instead. (Example: if this was daring it would just say DAREDEVIL instead of "daring increased to 10") You can go under "story" in the myself tab to see the actual value you have. (Or at least you can for PtPt:ToL. If theres a difference between the two)
    edited by suinicide on 12/6/2015

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    12/6/2015
    You can only see the numeric value of ToL if you place it on your profile mantle, sort of like how Airs of London do that too. I've temporarily put my ToL on my mantle as an example: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/NiteBrite
    edited by NiteBrite on 12/6/2015

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    12/6/2015
    NiteBrite wrote:
    Yes. I previously had no ToL at all. Then I used the monocle and now I have 3, as seen on my profile.



    Ah thank you. I wasn't entirely clear that this was new as I still have ToL 2 from last year

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    12/6/2015
    No one knows for certain, but it seems likely the snow will begin tomorrow, most likely via TTH, although it may have been re-vamped to come for everyone at the same time. Once you have the snowbound quality there will be a storylet at your lodgings where you can chose your route for clearing the snow.

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    12/3/2015
    I have a few questions. I read all of this thread before and don't remember seeing the answers but in case I missed or forgot, my apologies.
    First, is it worth to change profession to notary or doctor. I have already quiet my top tier profession for other reasons. I am author now.
    Second, is there a list of everything we can get in christmas event? I want all of them. I am trying to make the loss of last year. I was fully offline during the event because of some stupid obligations.
    the things I know I can get at christmas are 3 remote adresses, all 5 card lodgings, Noman, acquintance: silas and De gustibus exchanges. Is there anything else.
    Lastly, should I exchange MB for copper box in de gustibus. I will be getting the lodging from wicket so I don't have a use for it. Is the exchange worth anything, from what I can tell, their sell price is same.

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    12/1/2015
    Shalinoth wrote:
    Thanks for the stats!
    Two of us will aim for the long haul, whilst one only needs to enjoy the Noman's story short-term.

    I haven't actually read the benefits of a Noman other than the tattoo if it survives. I think it's one of only two ways to get an Elemental Secret? Hallowmas Edition being the other.


    Aside from fate methods like expeditions, I believe those are the only two options.

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    12/1/2015
    Shalinoth wrote:
    Thanks for the stats!
    Two of us will aim for the long haul, whilst one only needs to enjoy the Noman's story short-term.

    I haven't actually read the benefits of a Noman other than the tattoo if it survives. I think it's one of only two ways to get an Elemental Secret? Hallowmas Edition being the other.


    As far as I know, the main benefit other than the tattoo is bragging rights. Precious, precious bragging rights.

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    11/25/2015
    NiteBrite wrote:
    Ah I just realized no one in this thread has mentioned the dark carapaced crustacean companion...Its an expensive and luck based companion to craft on your own as it requires you to feed Pails of Snow to either a malevolent monkey or to a Talkative Rattus Faber (for reduced odds). You have like 20-30% odds to succeed with the monkey, and 10% odds to succeed with the rat.



    ... Apparently I sacrificed to the Gods of Statistical Significance (as my computer-scientist/mathematician husband would say). Because I *got* one via the Rat last year. So it does happen. I've had a couple other unlikely outcomes too...the things you try because you don't know how valuable - or unlikely - they are?

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    Some notes based on other notes...


    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Day 1: You could give him a Pail of Lacre and get +1 ToL. But that would be boring.

    Especially if you're at a point where you could have looked at it through a Monocle for +3 ToL!

    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Day 2: The day with the most options: for ToL +1 you can give him Greyfields First Sporing, or play on your Violin (the latter needs Connected: The Masters 2). If you have neither, you can give him another Pail of Lacre... or a Touching Love Story (caps at ToL 5)! I'm not sure whether "Take my good name" is capped!?

    Take my good name is apparently not capped and gives 1 Extraordinary Implication if you have Connections (which don't get removed): Bohemians 20, Great Game 20, Society 20, Masters 1, Notability 1. Most players with Notability 1 will probably be able to get a Consonant Violin -- but in case someone doesn't have the Violin or Greyfields First Sporing, the requirements for this are relatively easy. The First Sporing and Violin may be more preferable since they give 1 point of Masters connection, and "Take my good name" doesn't.



    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Day 9: "Accept his Heart and Lights" will get you ToL +1 and a Pail of Lacre!

    As far as I can tell this one does NOT give you ToL!


    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Day 3: Take this rather larger diamond! (the free version gives Connected: Masters, but no ToL. The Fate-locked version probably gives both. Probably.)

    Nope, no ToL for either choice; Stones is a creep. You do get Connected: Masters though.



    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    The 8 Fate-stories are less rewarding here, especially as they always come on days on which you can get ToL without Fate. I will not discuss them further.

    Urchins can get you +1 ToL over not paying any Fate at all. And might be useful if you need their connections or Storm-Threnodies for buying pails... but yeah, not as worth it.
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    Updated!

    metasynthie wrote:
    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Day 9: "Accept his Heart and Lights" will get you ToL +1 and a Pail of Lacre!

    As far as I can tell this one does NOT give you ToL!

    As far as I can tell, you're right. Don't know why I wrote this. hmm

    metasynthie wrote:
    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Day 3: Take this rather larger diamond! (the free version gives Connected: Masters, but no ToL. The Fate-locked version probably gives both. Probably.)

    Nope, no ToL for either choice; Stones is a creep. You do get Connected: Masters though.

    Does the Fate-locked option give you more CP: Masters at least? There has to be a difference!

    Anyway, I've taken the Magnificent Diamond out of the listed useful things in the OP as it does not give any ToL. Also, I further polished the OP again as some things were explained too much in a roundabout way. I hope to convey the importance of thinking ahead and doing things in the correct order. In recent years I often just clicked on Sacks cards without thinking about my ToL - so easy to waste precious points that way!
    Also, the fact that Sacks cards are not repeatable - that you can play each only once - might not be obvious to newer players, so I've added that fact as well.
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    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Does the Fate-locked option give you more CP: Masters at least? There has to be a difference!


    As far as I can tell from the wiki, the Fate option is locked when in possession of a diamond, which implies that it is merely a fate cost for a same or similar outcome, sans item cost.

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    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    • If you have only the Monocle, you can reach ToL 8 before Mr Sacks comes round. Again, the pails are always consumed, so you need at least four pails for this in total: use the Monocle on one to reach ToL 3, then dip a soul in lacre twice (ToL 4&5), then use the Monocle for the jump from 5 to 8 - you can't use it at ToL 6! Note that this is A Scholar of the Correspondence challenge! You need SotC 6 to unlock it, it's straightforward at SotC 10. If you're below SotC 10 you might fail at the Monocle challenge, melting your Pail and giving you Wounds but no ToL... anyway, once you're at 8, you can still put four or five levels on top of that from Sacks cards

    It's more efficient bucket-wise to examine the pails with the Semiotic Monocle twice, ToL from 0 to 6, then 'Take the air' or 'Search the shore', to drop your ToL from 6 to 5, then examine another pail through the Monocle again, bringing ToL to 8. This requires 3 pails as opposed to 4 listed above. The benefit of doing the method you listed, is being able to get ToL as high as possible before Mr Sacks comes.

    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    • How do I get a Dreadful Surmise? With 500 Spirit of Hallowmas! Without spending Fate, the DS can only be obtained at Hallowmas and the Feast of the Exceptional Rose (which is quaintly called Valentine's by surfacers). There's also a Fate-locked option that's available all through the year.

    What's the fate thing? For the life of me, I can't recall.

    metasynthie wrote:
    Temple of Uttermost Wind: ~10% chance of each of the following... 2 Magnificent Diamonds, 2 Night Whispers, 1 Tears of the Bazaar. 20% chance of 1 Airag.

    Gallery of Serpents: 24% chance of 1 Airag, 26% chance of 1 Tears of the Bazaar

    Interestingly, any of these have a 50% chance of netting you SOMETHING useful for Xmas, but the more fate you pay the more powerful that something will be.

    Okay. First, sorry for nitpicking.
    Second. YES. The data I've collected on Fate expeditions comes in handy!

    The Temple of Uttermost Wind's Unpredictable Treasure goes down to a value of at least 54, which means there's either a 7% or 9% chance of 'A wooden mask?' + others, and twice that for Airag (depending on whether the UT value goes all the way down to 1 or not)

    The Gallery of Serpents has equal chances of Airag and Tears, both 25% each.

    Where are you getting your information from? Did you collect your own? I've got mine in my signature, oh, well, you have to do the survey first, so here.

    Post-Script:
    What more of these are there?

    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:

    Feedback Requested Edit

    edited by Cecil on 11/10/2015

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    Cecil wrote:

    It's more efficient bucket-wise to examine the pails with the Semiotic Monocle twice, ToL from 0 to 6, then 'Take the air' or 'Search the shore', to drop your ToL from 6 to 5, then examine another pail through the Monocle again, bringing ToL to 8. This requires 3 pails as opposed to 4 listed above. The benefit of doing the method you listed, is being able to get ToL as high as possible before Mr Sacks comes.

    Hi Cecil, I'm aware there're a few "tactical issues" I haven't covered yet. The thing is, I don't want to clutter everything into the OP - at some point people's eyes are just going to glaze over and they won't remember anything they read! What I might do is: write another post for this, then link to it from the OP (just like I did for the 12 Days of Sacks, basically).

    Cecil wrote:

    What's the fate thing? For the life of me, I can't recall.

    [spoiler]Someone told me you get a DS if you invite the Princess to your Salon - is that wrong?[/spoiler]

    Cecil wrote:

    What more of these are there?
    Feedback Requested Edit

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    metasynthie wrote:
    I have lowest observed Uttermost Wind value as 41, which means a 9.5% chance of wooden mask. (Was rounding up instead of being precise, sorry.)

    What's the highest you've gotten? That would be swaying things to get a higher chance. Also. Question, do you think I should rearrange the spreadsheet to display chance based upon range as opposed to chance based upon results?

    Interesting that your lowest value is also for 'A wooden mask?', I wonder if that's the lowest option? I need to do Uttermost Wind like, 4 times more or something, for all the text. Maybe I'll get lucky and get something lower (heh, getting a material reward with less value and I'd consider myself lucky).

    metasynthie wrote:
    Airag (161-179) is thus slightly less likely in Serpent than the other rewards, and Tears, which I got at 220, runs from 220-240 so it's slightly more common. The latter, at least, fits the arc of your data!

    Huh! The lowest I've gotten from Serpents is also 161, I'd however come to the conclusion that Serpents would fit the pattern of the Thieves' Cache and Deep Blue Heaven, where the range goes from 1-(x*10) and that x*10 would apply to the lower curve as well. I hadn't even considered the possibility that Fate and non-Fate Unpredictable Treasure ranges would be mutually exclusive. I guess we'll have to do A Gallery of Serpents about 200 times or so to try and guarantee getting all the Unpredictable Treasure values!

    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Hi Cecil, I'm aware there're a few "tactical issues" I haven't covered yet. The thing is, I don't want to clutter everything into the OP - at some point people's eyes are just going to glaze over and they won't remember anything they read! What I might do is: write another post for this, then link to it from the OP (just like I did for the 12 Days of Sacks, basically).

    Ah, okay. I wasn't sure you were aware.

    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    Someone told me you get a DS if you invite the Princess to your Salon - is that wrong?

    Ah, yeah, that's wrong.

    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
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    Thanks for the additional info on Forgotten Quarter expeditions! I knew I hadn't got those covered enough (it's been ages since I undertook one myself). I'll fit those into my post.

    the truthseeker wrote:
    1) What is the order you should use to maximize getting the ToL? I remember you should use the Monocle, but forgot how many times, then switch to something else? (Then when at the no-to-low-item-cost practical max cap, can use things like Tears or Surmises.)

    If you read the OP carefully, that information is in there. wink
    Use the Monocle on a Pail to reach ToL 3, then dip a soul in lacre twice (ToL 4&5), then use the monocle for the jump from 5 to 8. Then Tears until 11, from there on only the Dreadful Surmise works.
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    metasynthie wrote:
    am I right in thinking that paying Fate to have a Master clear your path does NOT give you a Pail but DOES give you a point of ToL, at least up to a certain level?

    Interesting question! It definitely doesn't give you a Pail, but whether it gives you any ToL.... maybe someone has this information stored somewhere?

    Something I overlooked: examining Snow through the Monocle is a Scholar of the Correspondence challenge! Unlocked at 6, straightforward at 10; so I've added SotC to the grind-post.
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    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    When Time brings Snow to the Neath, you'll have the option to either get a Pail of So-Called Snow, or an Incarnadine Fur-Robe for 30 Fate (last year's price). With the Robe, you can get some unique items from the Masters themselves. In 2013, there were four such items, and in 2014 a fifth was added. It is possible that this year new unique items will be added yet again. You will lose your Robe upon receiving your chosen item, meaning you'll have to buy another Robe if you want more than one of the unique items.


    A correction: there are seven such items, one of which is under Transportation.

    metasynthie wrote:
    Interestingly, any of these have a 50% chance of netting you SOMETHING useful for Xmas, but the more fate you pay the more powerful that something will be.


    Certainly, in that paying Fate gives far better rewards than not doing so. But both the Fate-locked expeditions have the same cost, so the better outcomes from the Gallery comes only at the cost of a slightly longer expedition.

    metasynthie wrote:
    On top of lodgings, the Fate-locked stories involving Lacre each take 5 Taste of Lacre, which can be achieved with 2 pails.


    I sided with the Dutchess last year, and while obtaining the final reward cost some Taste, playing the other special storylets gave enough Taste that I was left with I believe a net gain of four. (Not sure about the exact number, but it was a gain overall, though I don't know how much the regular card options would give.) This may apply to some or all other Fate-locked faction stories.
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    Don't forget the real prize for anyone with the lodigings they want already- Tears of the bazaar in the nadir. for 7 points lacre and the right card in the nadir, you can get a Tears of the bazaar. perfect for accelerating your quest to get master's blood, or the crimson book, or to reach melancholy 15, (i believe, at least, that tears ignore the 10 melancholy cap, and 12 means you can pay to reach 15.)

    EDIT: also, you can only get tears directly from fate-locked options- besides the 7 points lacre- a net loss on the tears, though you can save some time by getting airaing that way.
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    I'll read through the guide later tonight and provide some more information when I am done traveling. But to answer your questions, snowbound fired off every week in December last year plus one "bonus" week in January due to the devs feeling generous that year. Possibly time the healer was acting up and it was a make up week, but it's been too longtime remember exactly. It was indicated as an unplanned an unusual bonus at the very least so I wouldn't rely on it happening again this year.

    Pails of snow melted on February 1st in 2014. The warning sign of imminent pail melting is the appearance of the special 48 hour only De Gustibus storylet on January 30th to the 31st. Pails don't melt until de gustibus shows up as that is your last call to spend the pails.
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    The expeditions are nice if you can to do them for a full year while grinding wines for a Noman. But in November? Fidgeting Writer is your best shot at getting a lot of whispers on such short notice.

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    I'll clarify, expeditions to blue heaven are good because it gives night whispers, airag, and storm threnodies. So even though the rewards are random a good many of them are directly useful for tears/pails production and it's especially good if you have trouble drawing the presumptuous opportunity card. Getting airag directly saves you seven draws of that card per tears created which can be a big deal, especially for bloated decks or people without five card or remote lodgings.

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    Having multiple remote addresses or five-card lodgings has no effect outside of collecting. Upgrading to the Brass Embassy Sanctum does open two options on its card which allow you to purchase the two devil companions with fate; these are only otherwise available at the Feast of the Rose. I believe their cost in Masquing at the Feast is equivalent to their fate cost from the lodgings.

    If you want a Noman for its storyline, buy it right when the Wicket opens and the price is cheapest and you should be able to draw its card often enough to not worry about it dying. If you want the Noman for the tattoo during the Feast, you have essentially no chance of managing it with only one Tears. It would take an extraordinary number of Night-Whispers and Storm Threnodies to get enough snow even if you lucked out and drew the Urchins card enough.

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    Ah thank you, ever dependable Optimatum!

    I will go for the two lodgings first, and then play around with the Noman. Sacksmas seems far more complicated than Hallowmas, so I won't try to achieve the most comprehensive outcome this time.


    Sacksmas does have a broader range of actions to take, but I personally would say it's simpler. You don't have to focus on managing social actions/menaces and maximizing action efficiency. The winter content can much more easily be interspersed among regular play and any min-maxing just applies to planning out the order you'll do things. There are only really three separate phases:

    1. Collect snow and convert it to Taste through some options
    2. Draw the Mr. Sacks cards starting at Christmas and each day choose whichever options give the desired result
    3. After finishing the Sacks story, go to the Wicket and spend your accumulated Taste

    Even if you get the lodgings first I highly recommend getting the Noman immediately as the price increases every couple days. You should't have any trouble though with a little preparation. You'll likely need to buy some extra snow though, so make sure you have enough Night-Whispers and Storm Threnodies when the season starts. (Assuming things are the same as last year, if you currently have your soul you could sell it on the Connected: Hell card for the materials to purchase a bucket from the Urchins. If you want the Brass Embassy Sanctum you'll need to be soulless anyway.) Maybe something like:

    1. Use monocle twice, get at least four levels of Taste through Mr. Sacks: Taste 10
    2. Upgrade Bazaar lodgings for 9 Taste and 3 Notability: Taste 1
    3. Use monocle twice: Taste 7
    4. Upgrade Royal Beth lodgings for 7 Taste and 3 Notability: Taste 0
    OR (since I don't know which your second four-card lodging is)
    4. Upgrade Brass embassy for 8 Taste and 3 Notability: Taste 0
    > requires being soulless and getting a fifth level of Taste through either Mr. Sacks or using another bucket for 1 Taste before doing step 3
    5. Use monocle once: Taste 3
    6. Buy Noman for 3 Taste and assorted items: Taste 0
    7. Use monocle once: Taste 3
    8. Buy a Remote Address for 3 Taste: Taste 0

    If you haven't ever done so, and if this is your first Sacksmas you likely haven't, you could purchase a Soothe and Copper Long-Box and use it in a Wolfstack storylet for a permanent starting bonus in Sunless Sea. (This does not require you to have Sunless Sea when you use the box and the bonus can be received on any number of Sunless Sea copies by linking your FL account.) Unusually, this requires Taste 6 but only uses up 5 levels. As such you could get one fewer levels of Taste from Mr. Sacks, use a monocle twice from Taste 2 or lower (such as after step 2 in my example), and then buy the Long-Box for the same net gain.

    And glad to help!

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    Ah I just realized no one in this thread has mentioned the dark carapaced crustacean companion. Possibly because it was given (extremely generously) in an advent calendar code last year. Its an expensive and luck based companion to craft on your own as it requires you to feed Pails of Snow to either a malevolent monkey or to a Talkative Rattus Faber (for reduced odds). You have like 20-30% odds to succeed with the monkey, and 10% odds to succeed with the rat.

    It'd be very generous if we got a crustacean in the advent calendar again but who can say. This may be something to consider spending excess pails of snow on if it isn't.

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    metasynthie wrote:
    Or is there another reason why you'd want a high ToL before the Wicket opens, as opposed to waiting to raise ToL to 8 until after the Wicket opens when it's a pail cheaper?

    Yes, if you have no monocle and/or low SotC, but still want an expensive lodging.
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    Noman's End has what Storynexus calls a MUST level of Urgency -- it always appears if you qualify for it by having a Noman but no Noman's Friend, and has no "Perhaps Not" button. Once you see it (by entering the Story tab with those requirements fulfilled) there isn't any way out of it except by picking one of its branches (all of which remove your Noman).

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    Thanks, I thought it might be that.

    On a Heartless character, I suppose turning it into a Pail is the best route. Might even try for another Noman :P

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    A few further observations:
    • One thing missing from the OP is the Soothe & Cooper Long-Box. You can get it at Penstock's Wicket for 5 ToL (you need 6 ToL to unlock the storylet, but you'll lose only 5 levels). The Long-Box is worth 62.50 Echoes at the Bazaar, or you can sell it at Wolfstack Docks for 3 Favours: The Docks (up to 7), 50 Echoes and a bonus quality for your Sunless Sea character the first time you do it.
    • One thing that is mentioned but I think is worth repeating is that you always need ToL 3 to descend the Wicket. You're kicked out when you buy a lodging, so if you need multiple visits (for multiple purchases), keep that detail in mind.
    • Changes to the quality "Putting the Pieces Together: The Taste of Lacre" are never displayed the way qualities are usually displayed ("Your ToL has increased to 3"). Instead, you'll only ever see the flavour text of your current status - no numerical value - making it useful to keep ToL as the displayed Scrapbook quality on your Profile during Sackmas (you can see it on my main).

    The Price of the Noman: (as compiled by Erika last January)

    Jan 6-8: ToL 3
    Jan 9-11: ToL 5
    Jan 12-14: ToL 7
    Jan 15-20: ToL 9
    Jan 21-23: ToL 12
    Jan 24-31: ToL 15

    The price also includes 1 Skyglass Knife, 1 Deep Amber, 3 Hard-Earned Lessons & 3 Sudden Insights.
    As January progresses, Quirk levels will be added to the price as well.

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    12/3/2016
    And, caveat: there will almost undoubtedly be changes to the nomen this year, as they were planned to be last year.

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    MrBurnside
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    12/4/2016
    phryne wrote:
    Teaspoon wrote:
    Snip
    SnipTeaspoon wrote:
    I'm not really clear on what you actually *do* with a Noman when you have it. Any advice?
    There's an opp card called "Noman's Progress" which you will draw all the time as long as you have one. All the options to interact with it are on that card and most of them lower one of your quirks.

    Each option will slightly increase "Noman's Friend" which is savagely cut by Time the Healer.
    edited by phryne on 12/3/2016

    This is not quite right. "Nomen's Friend" is cut by TtH, but Nomen's Progress boosts "Nomen Knows." When Nomen Knows reaches 15 you can use the Sense of an Ending option on the Nomen's Progress card to read some sad text and get an Elemental Secret.
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    12/4/2016
    I have a Semiotic Monocle, SotC 10, Notability 7, 4x Night Whisper and 28x Storm-Threnody.

    Will that be enough to upgrade two four-card lodgings?

    Will it be enough for two 4-card lodgings and a remote address?
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    12/4/2016
    Probably, I managed to get all the lodgings last year, and it looks like you are more prepared than me.

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    12/12/2016
    Thought I'd note that doing the Master's option to clear out the snow didn't give me any Taste of Lacre. Instead it says "Putting the Pieces Together: the Taste of Lacre has not changed from 3 because it's higher than 0". So, maybe do this option first before examining any Pails you might've gotten from the Advent Calendar?

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    12/12/2016
    A reminder that the Advent Calendar code for an extra Pail of Snow will expire tomorrow... those of you active on social networks might want to make sure none of your FL-playing friends miss out! smile

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    1/14/2016
    navchaa wrote:
    Is it wise to keep using the Light Fingers shopping option to raise Noman knows? I get the card maybe 5 times a day and use it to hopefully regain my soul through the bundle of oddities.

    Are my calculations correct? My Noman knows is currently at 8. And Noman's friend is at 66. Assuming I get 5 CP of Noman knows a day, I will need about two weeks to raise it high enough. Will I be able to make it to level 15 for the Elemental Secret before he melts?



    If going by averages, no. But you know the amounts aren't always average. Best to always keep the Friend value above 47-70 (see "When should I create the noman?") at all times just in case until you reach your goal. The last link can help you with that even if not keeping it until the Festival.


    And since you're soulless, that bundle is a nice secondary reward check.
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    1/15/2016
    Looks like it's a bit risky as I don't intend to feed my Noman any lacre at all. Has anyone had 66 levels of Noman's friend wiped out in a TTH yet?

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    1/15/2016
    the truthseeker wrote:
    The Duke of Waltham wrote:
    I started my first alternative character yesterday, and I found the First Day of Mr Sacks as a pinned storylet as soon as I got to Spite (I didn't even have lodgings yet). I thought one could find that card only until 6 January... So strange.

    And I thought the urchins would stop selling pails. I am happily wrong on that as well. Just start the Mr. Sacks story so the link doesn't suddenly disappear in several days just in case. Once it's in the deck, it stays until the holiday is completely over.


    Oh, I did. Every single card was a pinned storylet: as soon as I went through one, the next appeared. Of course, I had nothing substantial to give Mr Sacks on most occasions, being homeless and penniless;* on Day 6 I even had to wait a little to get my hands on some proscribed material before I could proceed. In the end I chose the option that made the most sense for my character (having decided this time round to be scrupulous about making choices according to his chosen personality), even though it entailed the acquisition of a useless bucket.

    * It only now occurs to me, of course, that much of the cards' content makes little sense for a homeless and penniless man. Ah, well. I speeded through it, to be honest.

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    Erika
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    1/20/2016
    If you have Noman Knows 15, also in the Noman's Progress card at the same time, *and* had Time the Healer kill your Noman, you could still crack them for a good Elemental Secret omelette as the branch doesn't lock with Noman's Friend 0.

    Frankly, it would be slightly mean if it did, on account of the fact you did manage to get your Noman to that point on time.

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    1/12/2016
    The Duke of Waltham wrote:
    I started my first alternative character yesterday, and I found the First Day of Mr Sacks as a pinned storylet as soon as I got to Spite (I didn't even have lodgings yet). I thought one could find that card only until 6 January... So strange.

    And I thought the urchins would stop selling pails. I am happily wrong on that as well. Just start the Mr. Sacks story so the link doesn't suddenly disappear in several days just in case. Once it's in the deck, it stays until the holiday is completely over.
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    1/12/2016
    an_ocelot wrote:
    Ah, the seasonal option on the Western Tower: a Guest Room at the Brass Embassy card has arrived. If you have Souls in your Inventory, don't blindly click on the first option in search of scraps!

    The luck-find Brilliant Souls hidden as normal souls shows/showed up seasonally the same time as selling your soul for a pail of so called snow urchin components. The storyettes will end when Christmas does. I am happy to report I have used the former a lot (not the latter when I had "What profit" as an option instead for my main that has saved me thousands of Scraps collecting for my 5-card collections and besides CTD, there is no other use for his Soul anymore. And I have been RPing the soulless for him means absence of guilt [unless it returns of course.])
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    1/12/2016
    In case anyone's interested, my TTH came yesterday yet the urchins are still selling me snow. Now to grind night whispers and storm threnodies again!

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    Sara Hysaro
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    1/10/2016
    It's not possible to draw cards in Port Carnelian, and Noman cards only show up in Fallen London itself as far as I'm aware.

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    1/10/2016
    Sara Hysaro wrote:
    It's not possible to draw cards in Port Carnelian, and Noman cards only show up in Fallen London itself as far as I'm aware.

    Thank you so much for letting me know! I shall figure out something else to do around London in the meantime and wait until the inevitable death of my Noman to sail off to Port Carnelian.

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    1/10/2016
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    Wynde
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    1/7/2016
    No, but there was a pinned action in my Lodgings, so I have at least done that.

    ETA: Ha! I *knew* posting here would fix the problem! Just drew the Day 2 card. Phew!
    edited by Wynde on 1/7/2016

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    Grenem
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    1/7/2016
    xenopus wrote:
    NiteBrite wrote:
    You should be able to get to the elemental secret in under one week no problem though.


    Thanks! Does this mean one could theoretically get several Nomans in a single season, then? Get the Elemental Secret, buy the next Noman, repeat.

    Yes, but its epa would get progressively worse. Nomans start cheap and get more expensive the later it is. it's only debatably worth it when a noman costs ToL 6, and i'd say it isn't at 7+ unless you have a significant, and accidental, stockpile of pails. otherwise better to just get Tears in the nadir.

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    1/8/2016
    You can get multiples.

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    Shalinoth
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    1/8/2016
    Alt got the Crustacean on 3rd Pail. I must be lucky, based on other people's unfortunate number of attempts.

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    1/9/2016
    Shalinoth wrote:
    Alt got the Crustacean on 3rd Pail. I must be lucky, based on other people's unfortunate number of attempts.


    4th attempt reporting here.
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    1/7/2016
    xenopus wrote:
    Slightly confused here. I got everything I wanted from the Wicket (Bazaar and Beth lodgings, Duchess storyline reward, Zee-Znail Remote Address) and then went on to purchase a Noman. I still have 10 Pails of Lacre, 3 Tears of the Bazaar and 2 Dreadful Surmises left, and I'm not sure what to do with them now. I realize I have no chance of keeping the Noman alive until February with so few resources, so he'll just have to eat my quirks and then become an Elemental Secret, but should I still invest a couple of ToL levels into him to make sure he doesn't die before I get Noman Knows to 15? Or is this extremely unlikely?

    And with the remaining Pails, after converting them to ToL, is it more profitable to convert them into Tears of the Bazaar via the Nadir, or should I just save the ToL for next year?

    PS: The Urchins won't be selling any more Pails as of today, right? Or does this go on until the Wicket closes?


    To answer your question... it depends.

    First, the noman is unlikely to die before you finish, so long as you plan to be active. it's possible, i guess, but only if you have the kinda luck that involves no "Wait, mr. sacks comes in cards, not just storylets?"

    The urchins will stop selling pails the week after your last snowbound, or at least that's my best guess. Your last snowbound was this TTH, i expect.

    assuming money is no object (plausible, considering you spent about 1500 echoes on pails of lacre, assuming all these pails are urchin-bought), and the only thing you want the Tears for is the ToL they hold, one bottle of tears = 6 ToL, on the average. Since it takes 2.5 buckets to get 1 vial of tears, using the wicket-gate exploits but with the dreadful surmise you only get 1 ToL per bucket past 7/8, you should try to turn ToL into tears as often as possible, until you're on your last buckets. inversely, if you're only after filthy lucre, this is still the best cash-in option for the buckets, assuming you have SoTC 10. It'll still be a loss, unless you were after Tears regardless, though.

    However, don't forget- your pails will melt the first TTH after De Gustibus leaves. Better to use them for the 1 ToL per pail with the surmise, or to simply cash in the inefficient option of 50 echoes by selling to De Gustibus, unless you're a fan of gambling. (even so, you should cash in every one besides the ones you'll want for next season TTH, iff you can.) I will be taking the risk, most likely, but you shouldn't take the risk unless you're franticaly obsessed with collecting one of the following, and have a TTH on either saturday or sunday:

    • Tears of the bazaar (This one's mine. if you haven't found a collection obsession yet, get your own. or PM me, i guess. i can give you all kinds of tips, since i'm hoarding these and it'll sting less if i'm in contact with the individual who's outdoing me, if you do wind up outdoing me.)
    • Sealed copies of the crimson book (If you're after any of the others, and want advice on how to get them ASAP, i do have some advice. not all that you could want, and it might not be useful, but I've been hoarding Tears for months now. Look at my mantlepeice, for proof of my credentials- or my incompetence, perhaps, since i don't have that many yet. still in the low double digits, after all.)
    • Master's Blood
    • Maybe a noman, since it is just a big round of double or nothing... probably not worth the risk, though- all the others are for a temporary option, Betting raw echoes or betting with a pot far larger than the stakes, and raw echoes alone won't save you that much effort, considering your budget can toss around a minimum of 600 echoes to buy pails of lacre. The point where echoes don't really matter unless you're after an overgoat is probably rapidly approaching for you, if not already here.

    Another possible use, though one I don't consider worthwhile personally, is getting a dark-carapaced crustacean with a malevolent monkey. this will cost, on average, 5 pails of lacre, though rng can mess with you. statistically, the odds of not getting one in 10 pails is between 11% and 3%, rounded to the nearest single digit of percent. (up in both cases) The crustacean is only good for collectionism, however, so if you're not into that, don't bother. Definitely don't use the rattus fabber option. do sell any of the items you think are worthwhile before trying- you don't lose the monkey, just certain items, and if you sell them in advance, you can wind up not losing anything on failure, save the pail.

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    1/7/2016
    @Navchaa: Use a soul on one pail for ToL2. Use the Monocle twice (2 more pails) for ToL 8. Done.
    The to get the Remote lodging, using the monocle on one more pail should get ToL 3, which is all you need.

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    edited by malthaussen on 1/7/2016

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    1/7/2016
    Lilac showed up on the 20th last year, but this year the 20th is on a Saturday. I wonder which side of the weekend she'll show up this year. Hopefully she'll come on the 19th, but I can't shake the feeling she could be delayed until the 22nd. It will make the noman grind be tougher on players this year than it was last year if she gets delayed. It's interesting to think about.
    edited by NiteBrite on 1/7/2016

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    navchaa
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    1/6/2016
    Thanks for that, Mal! I went for my top priority first, thinking that I'll stay in the Wicket. Oh well, lesson learned for others!

    malthaussen wrote:
    @Navchaa: if you had paid your debt to the Duchess first, you would not have been kicked out. Choosing any Lodgings option will make you leave the Wicket and travel to the new Lodgings, but you'll still have to use the "key" in your inventory to move into them.

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    Katerwaul
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    1/6/2016
    KShep wrote:
    I got my five card lodgings!! So happy to move into my suite at the Royal Bethlehem. I'm trying to decide what to do with the rest of my lacre... I did get a Remote Lodgings. Is it worth getting all three of the Remote Lodgings? Getting kicked out of the wicket and having to spend another 5 actions to get back down each time is a pain. If it's not worth getting all three, what would people recommend buying? I don't think I'm going to do the Noman even though I am a PoSI because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it.


    The three Remote Lodgings are functionally equivalent (3 Opportunity Cards, no City Vices cards) so you won't gain anything from having another except bragging rights. There isn't really much else you can do with ToL except make a Noman or choose one of the luck-based options which randomly give you certain items like a Storm Threnody or rarely a Primaeval Hint, so if you don't want a Noman it's probably best to save it until next year if you want another 5-card Lodgings.

    On a different note, I'm loving my new Sanctum at the Brass Embassy! It's so delightfully sinful. It's just a shame that the fifth Opportunity slot is jammed in awkwardly in a second row below the rest.
    edited by JimmyTMalice on 1/6/2016

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    Màiread
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    1/6/2016
    Yes, 12 means you've seen all the cards. There's no way for you to up your taste witih your current resources, even if you were to buy another pail. However, you can almost certainly make it to scholar of the correspondence 10 before the wicket closes, assuming you have access to the Empress's court or a fate-locked pet. How are your stats?

    ETA: KShep, the noman is very straightforward and a lovely story - it's only complicated if you're trying to keep it alive until the Feast of the Rose. What happens is you make your noman at the wicket, which adds a card to your opportunity deck. Playing the options on these cards - either reliably by consuming quirks or with a stat check option which differs depending on your ambition - raises your 'noman knows' quality. Once this reaches 15, you'll play the option 'the sense of an ending', which ends the story and grants an elemental secret. The cards are abundant, so unless you're really unlucky you shouldn't need to worry about the noman expiring before you can play through the story. If you have spare lacre, it's worth a go.
    edited by Màiread on 1/6/2016

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    1/6/2016
    Danko wrote:
    Every time I buy something in the wicket I am forced out and have to pay 5 actions to enter and buy something else. Is it a bug or is it intended?

    Intended for the properties. You don't get kicked out for buying the Noman, for example.

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    1/6/2016
    Blitherington Smythe wrote:
    Is anyone else desperately waiting to finish the Mr sacks content? I've only gotten one Mr sacks card in the past two days and I'm still waiting for day 11. Admittedly I can't draw cards at work so I'm only playing about 30 a day, but I'm starting to get stressed. I have ToL 16 and no way to use it!


    Just go to the bathroom and draw all the cards in 10 seconds via cellphone?

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    Alex WasRight
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    1/6/2016
    so... is penstock open for the purchase of certain properties and upgrades for anyone yet? it's already 6th of jan in GMT. EDIT: i haven't drawn all 12 mister sacks cards. damn the RNG!

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    12/31/2015
    Thanks for the suggestions! I went ahead to gamble for the crustacean and I have proof that the RNG hates me. I got it on the 11th pail sacrificed with the monkey, AND it turned out that I had too much ToL, and didn't get the boost. BAH HUMBUG. But anyway I have a new (and very expensive!) pet.

    Will the remaining remaining 5 pails of snow be able to get me 2 5-card lodgings and all 3 remote addresses? Have I nixed my chances of collecting them all?

    Grenem wrote:
    navchaa wrote:
    I've a question - I've been pretty lucky with the urchins this season and now have 15 pails of snow. It's my first Sacksmas and I want to get the 5 card lodgings (Brass Embassy, since I've lost my soul for it) and the remote lodgings. Is there any point in going for a Noman and his tattoo at this stage? I have 3 tears of the bazaar.

    Assuming that I don't go for the tattoo, what do I do with so many pails of snow? And should I keep collecting them? (I still have enough for another 2 or 3 more pails.)

    Use them to reach ToL 7 for every single trip into the nadir, and look for the catafalrique. when you find it, cash them in for tears. It's what i've been doing. If you choose the irrigo removal option on the dream sacks today, and haven't spent the feast yet, you should be able to spend up to 15 buckets this way. OFC, the average player with One Of Each only needs 11 ToTB. 5 for MB, 5 for CB, from the visions of the surface rare success, and one for itself. You'd get up-to-6 with up-to 15 buckets. of course, missing it in the nadir makes it consume less pails, and the odds of finding it are about 60%.

    If you want to get a crustacean, now is a good time, since you have the pails already. use the malevolent monkey if you want the crustacean- you don't lose it on failure, and the pails themselves are the most valuable cost in the effort to aquire it. on average, the malevolent monkey-> crustacean will cost less than 5 pails, while the rattus faber will cost 10. of course, you could get lucky or unlucky.

    de gustibus will pay 50 echoes per pail, if you have at least 1 point ToL- but you bought them from urchins at 3x the price, and cashing in in the nadir is more viable, if you can do that.

    I'm going to assume you don't want all 3 5-card lodgings. if i'm wrong, that will consume a tolerable number of pails right there. 3 for embassy, 2.5 for bethlehem, and either 4, or preplaned ToL over sacksmas for the bazaar. (probably 2 buckets and 3 sacksmas ToL in that case)
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    12/30/2015
    metasynthie wrote:
    When you pay a Master to clear the snowbound path to your lodgings, you get a point of ToL -- but it's capped at 6.

    the truthseeker wrote:
    Well that stinks! I lucked out all those times having it done first, then managing my lacre totals around that "plus" value like Advent. Edit: I guess it makes sense because they are filling buckets of so-called-snow themselves for you.

    Yeah, I get bad luck like that REALLY often; with my luck I was worried I'd choose an option that would eat up a dozen ToL. Snowbound I didn't mind, hell I did it twice, but sabotaging my shopping trip is another matter. I guess the Duchess will have to wait a year...
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    I didn't like that part too, but luckily there's a script that moves all cards in one row. Looks much better that way.

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    It gives 18 CP of Casing, while a Well Planned Villainy gives 15 CP.

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    Sara Hysaro wrote:
    3 CP adds up, and you'll be doing it quite a bit. It does make a difference.

    specifically, 3 bonus cp is 20% increase from 15 cp, and 1/6th loss going down from 18 cp -> 15

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    If you buy 10000 Prisoner's Honey for 400 echoes, that should be enough to convert (via the mass-convert options, initially) into 15 Bazaar Permits. It'll take quite a few actions but it's probably the fastest way to turn money into permits.

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    Just be patient. It was open yesterday by mistake, and should be open later on today.

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    1/6/2016
    StarryWisdom wrote:
    Where is/will be the entrance? Under the Penstock's Land Agency option on the Bazaar tab? Or in our Lodgings? In the Explore the Festive Season option? Or elsewhere?
    It should be a universal storylet, available throughout London (but if not universal, it will definitely be available at your lodgings).

    I also expect there to be a link to it in the Explore the Festive Season storylet.

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    StarryWisdom wrote:
    Where is/will be the entrance? Under the Penstock's Land Agency option on the Bazaar tab? Or in our Lodgings? In the Explore the Festive Season option? Or elsewhere?


    Under the explore the Festive Season storylet, at the very least. It is definitely not found under the Bazaar tab.

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    Oof. Took me 5 pails, but I finally got the Crustacean via Monkey.

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    1/2/2016
    Trying for Crustaceans gives +2 points of Taste of Lacre but only if it's no higher than 4 -- so you can get to 6 if you're at 4, or 5 if you're at 3.

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    Feeding pails to wild boars caps at 16.

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    1/2/2016
    You can get another point of ToL on Day 11 if you are a Notary or a Doctor. You can also get another point of ToL on Day 12 if you take advantage of the disintegrating Mr. Sacks, rather than helping him. (Helping him gets you 3 CP of Connected: the Masters, mind you.)

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    Isaiah Hazardway wrote:
    metasynthie wrote:
    You can get another point of ToL on Day 11 if you are a Notary or a Doctor. You can also get another point of ToL on Day 12 if you take advantage of the disintegrating Mr. Sacks, rather than helping him. (Helping him gets you 3 CP of Connected: the Masters, mind you.)


    I'm not a Notary or a Doctor. Are there any requirements for taking advantage of him, or is everybody able to do this?


    The only way to become a Notary or Doctor and gain the Lacre--besides having Notability 3 and 150 Watchful for Doctor or 150 Persuasive for Notary (total, not base,)--is to quit your job and draw the Unsigned Message card before playing Day 11 (it can wait without consequence if you do so before the end of January most likely.)


    Day 12 (edit: which anybody can choose,) when he is "at his limits," if you "take advantage of the situation" it will award you both with a bucket of so-called-snow and a +1 to taste bump as well as 44 Rats,3 Devilbone dice, 1 Map Scrap, 400 Glim, 1 Battered Overcoat and a partridge...I mean 3 CP Ruthless up to 10. For such "noble" actions, you also lose 3 Magnanimous and 1 CP Connected: Masters.

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    1/4/2016
    i only have 1 point of notability but i don't need it right now...

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    are you sure? isn't a problem, i can get that back but if someone else gives you the point it's fine

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    wraith wrote:
    are you sure? isn't a problem, i can get that back but if someone else gives you the point it's fine


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    The Wicket's text still says that it will open on January 6th. I think we were not meant to gain access yet...

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    12/30/2015
    Chris Gardiner wrote:
    We retire the Snowbound effect on Time the Healer for a few days over Christmas to ease the support burden while most of us are off. It'll return for another flurry in a few days!

    Reposting as an FYI.

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    12/29/2015
    wraith wrote:
    so snowbound now works?

    One can hope. It depends on the conditions it was unlocked to be absolutely sure. If a person has only logged in before Dec 14 and returned now, then they can do the Snowbound event that everyone got the first day and record it in their Journal now. Similarly, a person can do Snowbound now when Time arrived for them to unlock it before Dec 26 but after Dec 14 and record it now. It would help to see a statement that Snowbound happened with respect to their Time the Healer after Dec 25 to know 100%.
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    12/29/2015
    navchaa wrote:
    I've a question - I've been pretty lucky with the urchins this season and now have 15 pails of snow. It's my first Sacksmas and I want to get the 5 card lodgings (Brass Embassy, since I've lost my soul for it) and the remote lodgings. Is there any point in going for a Noman and his tattoo at this stage? I have 3 tears of the bazaar.

    Assuming that I don't go for the tattoo, what do I do with so many pails of snow? And should I keep collecting them? (I still have enough for another 2 or 3 more pails.)


    15 pails of snow used efficiently (with a Semiotic Monocle), combined with additional ToL from Mr Sacks' visits and your Tears of the Bazaar (as a last resort, given their value) should give you enough ToL to get all of the lodgings and unique items, and a noman:
    • Bazaar-Spire: 9
    • Brass Sanctum: 8
    • Royal Beth suite: 7
    • Old Newgate cellars: 3
    • Zee-Znail retreat: 3
    • Dripstone Temple: 3
    • S&C Long-Box: 5
    • Noman (week 1): 1

    Total: 39 Taste of Lacre

    You might want to prioritize the Bazaar-Spire and other lodging upgrades, since it's expensive to get ToL back to 9 using only pails of snow. A Noman can get you a valuable Elemental Secret (worth 312.5 echoes), so IMO it's definitely worth it. You can use your remaining ToL to explore the Sundered Sea for additional goodies, and/or save it for next year. As for any left over pails of snow, as mentioned they turn into direful reflections if not used up.

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    wraith wrote:
    how much can a noman live and how much i need to get an elemental secret?

    You get the Noman's Elemental Secret when you earned Noman Knows 15 and drew that card with that option on it. You'll have to decide how to best get that value. if you need more Noman's Friend value/more time, see my Long Explanation link for more info.


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    12/30/2018
    Shalinoth wrote:
    Appreciate that, Honeyaddict. I'm in the Forgotten Quarter now spamming cards. I think the fewest cards arrive there.



    Get in a Remote Lodging if you can, that along with (I think) the Labyrinth or the Forgotten Quarter has the least cards (double checking it now)
    Double checked: neither place has extra cards.
    edited by Honeyaddict on 12/30/2018

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    12/30/2018
    Honeyaddict wrote:
    Shalinoth wrote:
    Appreciate that, Honeyaddict. I'm in the Forgotten Quarter now spamming cards. I think the fewest cards arrive there.



    Get in a Remote Lodging if you can, that along with (I think) the Labyrinth or the Forgotten Quarter has the least cards (double checking it now)
    Double checked: neither place has extra cards.
    edited by Honeyaddict on 12/30/2018


    If I'm looking for a particular card, I usually go with the Bazaar Side Streets - while the Labyrinth and the Quarter don't have any extra cards, the side streets only have one very rare one -
    https://fallenlondon.fandom.com/wiki/The_Skin_of_the_Bazaar

    which is a good enough card (if you're still grinding Watchful or SotC) that you might as well give yourself the opportunity to draw it while you're card-grinding.

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    12/31/2018
    Only the final option is needed to complete the story, but for the non-Rubbery 12 fate factions, the optional choice gives +7 ToL. I'm not sure if the 8 fate ones give anything useful; the optional choice for the Rubbery friend is mechanically irrelevant though nice in flavor.

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    12/31/2018
    Optimatum wrote:
    Only the final option is needed to complete the story, but for the non-Rubbery 12 fate factions, the optional choice gives +7 ToL. I'm not sure if the 8 fate ones give anything useful; the optional choice for the Rubbery friend is mechanically irrelevant though nice in flavor.


    Thanks so much; exactly what I needed to know.

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    12/31/2018
    Here's a guide about the 12 Days. It has information about each day's ToL, Master connection and investigating option.

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    1/5/2019
    It was helpfully pointed out to me that finishing the 12-Fate Investigating Lacre with Zailors story at Penstock's Wicket grants 3 Docks Favours.

    Now the Duchess, Widow and Benthic were never converted to the Favours/Renown system, so they're not a problem. But what about the Rubbery Men, Revolutionaries and Urchins stories? Do they hand out Favours at any point?
    edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 1/5/2019

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    1/5/2019
    Rupho - I just completed the Rubbery story; no favors.

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    1/7/2019
    But what about the Rubbery Men, Revolutionaries and Urchins stories? Do they hand out Favours at any point?
    edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 1/5/2019


    Urchins gives 3 favours.

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    1/10/2019
    I have found myself in a bit of a bind. I need ToL 9 for the 5 card Bazaar lodging. I currently have ToL 8 and two pails of snow. I have the Semiotic Monocle and SotC 9 but no Vials of the Tears and no Dreadful Surmise. Is there any possible way I can get myself to 9?
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    12/12/2018
    I have 19 tol from last year. what is the best course of action to get it higher?

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    12/12/2018
    I think the only way you can raise it higher than 15 is from the "free" sources: the Advent Calendar, and Mr Sacks.

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    12/13/2018
    Kylestien wrote:
    I have 19 tol from last year. what is the best course of action to get it higher?
    Without Fate, the Advent calendar and Days of Mr. Sack can increase it; those days are 2, 5, 8, 11 and 12. Do note that there are requirements to get ToL; an example is Day 11 which asks you to either be a Doctor or a Notary. Another 7 can be added with Fate depending on who you investigate. More (all) details in this post.
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    12/14/2018
    OK, trying to piece together information:

    I have 5 ToL. Best way to go on from here is the Semiotic Monocle.
    1) Should I dare risking my pails on the slim SotC chances, or is there a better option to use them?
    2) Is there any grindable resource for SotC? Already started writing a Symphony at Court.
    2) Do I need pails to gain ToL from Mr Sacks cards? I there any kind of grind or preparation to increase my chances?

    My plans are modest, I'm only aiming for ToL 7, for the 5-card lodging.

    I just acquired a ship, but I assume Sacksmas is a bad time to be away from London.
    ... Unless taking to the zea helps with BDR and Making Waves.

    (...... one more point of Notability!)

    EDIT: I gather the Dreadful Surmise is way too hard to come by to be of any help.
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    12/15/2018
    ViolenBlue wrote:
    1) Should I dare risking my pails on the slim SotC chances, or is there a better option to use them?
    2) Is there any grindable resource for SotC? Already started writing a Symphony at Court.
    If your SotC is very low, I'd say it's not worth trying. All the existing options to raise SotC are summarized in this post.


    ViolenBlue wrote:
    Do I need pails to gain ToL from Mr Sacks cards? I there any kind of grind or preparation to increase my chances?
    My plans are modest, I'm only aiming for ToL 7, for the 5-card lodging.
    You'll easily get from 5 to 7 with the Mr Sacks opportunity cards! smile
    Everything you need to know about them is found here.


    ViolenBlue wrote:
    I just acquired a ship, but I assume Sacksmas is a bad time to be away from London.
    ... Unless taking to the zea helps with BDR and Making Waves.
    (...... one more point of Notability!)
    Generally I'd say, limit yourself to short journeys for now. I don't know about any BDR/MW options at Zee.


    ViolenBlue wrote:
    EDIT: I gather the Dreadful Surmise is way too hard to come by to be of any help.
    If spending 8 or 12 Fate is an option for you, two of the Investigating Lacre with... stories (Zailors & Benthic students) reward you with just such a Surmise! smile
    They're unlocked on the Mr Sacks cards, again.
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    1/11/2019
    PSGarak wrote:
    I think your best bet is to obtain a vial of Tears of the Bazaar. You probably have around three weeks before the Wicket closes, certainly at least two. That's realistically achievable.

    There are a couple of options for obtaining Tears, including spending ToL in the Nadir, which is counter-intuitive in your situation but I think actually guaranteed to work. If you spend 7 ToL for the Tears and then use two Pails, you will be at ToL 7. Even in the worst-case where the Tears go poof on the first use, they give 2 ToL when they do which puts you at 9 exactly. If the Tears last longer you either end up with ToL to spare or actually get to keep your vial.

    If you don't have access to the Nadir, I think it's still doable. You will need 7 bottles of Airag and the Presumptuous Little Opportunity card. Other players may have better suggestions, but personally I would slam Shrine of Deep Blue Heaven expeditions, which has two results that give Airag. You can also use Presumptuous Little Opportunity to gain Airag but you may want to save that card in hand instead, it's less than Standard frequency.


    Thank you for such a comprehensive answer! This is very helpful.
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    1/13/2019
    Plenty of people have. I've done it twice myself; it's very easy when done over multiple years.

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    12/1/2019
    You can use Tears without buckets, but unless you want to get every single item this year, I doubt you'll need them. You can get up to five buckets total from weekly snowfall, so buying a Robe or two shouldn't be an issue. Use two with a Semiotic Monocle (available at the Bazaar) before the Twelve Days of Mr Sacks at the end of the month, and you'll have plenty of Taste to upgrade Lodgings.

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    phryne
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    12/1/2017
    Unearthing this, once again. wink


    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    The price for buying Lacre from urchins is 7 Storm-Threnodies + 1 Night-Whisper (this option also requires Connected: Urchins 20)
    I wonder whether this will be changed to Favours, or Renown...
    edited by phryne on 12/1/2017

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    PSGarak
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    12/1/2017
    phryne wrote:
    Unearthing this, once again. wink


    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
    The price for buying Lacre from urchins is 7 Storm-Threnodies + 1 Night-Whisper (this option also requires Connected: Urchins 20)
    I wonder whether this will be changed to Favours, or Renown...
    edited by phryne on 12/1/2017

    The Urchin's Renown conversion actually hit in the middle of December last year, so we already found it. It requires Renown 10, and consumes no Favors.

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    suinicide
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    12/1/2017
    You can learn about the correspondence if you have a monocle. And the 12 days of sacksmas gives connected masters, and other rewards if you pay fate.

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    dov
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    12/15/2016
    Jolanda Swan wrote:
    A question: this Sackmass, which is my first, I intend to get one five card lodging, and help the Duchess. When does the opportunity to help her come up? Is it is the Mr Sacks cards and on what day? (I am afraid I won't notice the wording and miss on her). And how much ToL does it cost to resolve the storyline?

    You'll see the option to unlock it on Day 4 of Mr Sacks.
    Then, look for an opportunity to help the Duchess on the Day 6 card.

    Jolanda Swan wrote:
    Also, a final question - I have the Beth and Bazaar 4-card addresses. I understand that five card lodgings do not open up any new opportunities on the cards or have extra cards, so one would need both only for rp or completionist reasons, correct?

    That's true for these two 5-card lodgings. If you upgrade your room at the Embassy to a Sanctum, it would allow you to pay Fate to get the Quiet Deviless and/or the Green-Eyed Devil as companions.

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    Rupho Schartenhauer
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    12/2/2018
    Thanks! Completely missed that.

    If you see any other broken links, do tell.

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    Jason5237
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    12/2/2018
    Superb guide! I had been reviewing this again over the last week. Thanks for bumping it up.

    =)

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    Kylestien
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    1/2/2018
    Hark DeGaul wrote:
    I'm surprised that today's option (Day 9) doesn't appear to have anything for the Rubbery Sacksmas. You'd think that a Sacks who outright offers you gifts would be the perfect Master to ask for a gift for your rubbery friend, no matter how badly it would likely end for the poor octoperson.
    edited by Hark DeGaul on 1/2/2018


    Maybe the rubbery man was just not there? i always got the feeling that that particular sacks comes about in the witching hour when everyone's asleep, even rubberies. Or maybe he was never there to begin with even if he was.

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    Reused NPC
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    1/5/2018
    A new option has appeared on day 12 for those who chose the Rubbery option. It grants a very particular and superlatively festive companion (I've set it on my mantel), and it seems to replace the conclusion in Penstock's. At least, looking at Penstock's now, there seems to be no conclusion there.

    This day 12 option also gives a Pail of Lacre and some Taste of Lacre, Moreover, it's a significantly more stomachable option than taking advantage of Sacks.
    edited by ReusedNPC on 1/5/2018
    edited by ReusedNPC on 1/5/2018

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    Rupho Schartenhauer
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    12/28/2019
    It seems to me they've increased the frequency of the Mr Sacks opportunity cards compared to past years. At least for me, this is the fourth day in a row that the Sacks card was more or less the first one to show up when drawing!

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    1/4/2020
    rahv7 wrote:
    Who's the cutest of them all?

    (Spoiler for ratty investigations)

    oh yes he is oh yes he is (been thinking of a name for him fire seems good not green though)

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    Rupho Schartenhauer
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    Posts: 793

    1/5/2020
    The 12 Days of Sacks Guide now includes all the info for this season's new investigation, for those of you who still lag a few days behind.

    I had no luck drawing cards yesterday and did not want to spoil myself, so I've only updated things now.

    [spoiler]I am very happy I played this story on a character who also has the Haunted-Looking Dog. I hope it and the Bedraggled Fox will become friends! smile[/spoiler]

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    PJ
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    12/21/2020
    Or just look at it on the Myself page. You're not going to need to refer to it over and over, after all. Pales of Snow aren't that common.

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    Dagforth
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    12/23/2020
    Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:

    I've also updated the list of Incarnadine Gifts. Still missing a profile echo for Mr Spices' bizarre new item though.


    Here's an echo for the [spoiler]
    Weasel-Infested Velocipede
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    theonie
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    12/29/2020
    Hattington wrote:
    Is there any way to track your Taste of Lacre progress without hoping to hell or high water your latest low-cost investigation method won't squander whatever source you're working with?



    Set "Putting the Pieces Together: A Taste of Lacre" as a Plan, then you can see the progress easily, that's what I've done. smile

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