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Rupho Schartenhauer
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12/5/2015
Gonen wrote:
Instead of 4 Pails to reach level 8 ToL, as said above, you can have a good run at 2 pails:
1. Wait until having 1 ToL and 2 Pails (1 ToL through the Advent or at the first day of Mr. Sacks. We already got 1 Pail today)
2. Do not linger on until the second ToL arrives but use the Monocle twice right away - reaching 7 ToL. Thus, using only 2 Pails.
3. Mr sacks will give another 4 ToL (5 if doctor or notaries) - so thats 11 (12) ToL.
4. Buy the Bazaar 5 lodging with 9 ToL - left with 2 ToL
5. Twice the Monocle - 8 ToL (lost 2 Pails of Snow)
6. Buy Bethlehem's Hotel with 8 ToL.
Point being - need not spend 4 Pails but only 2 for the first prize. Another 2 for the second prize.
Am I correct or got the calculations wrong?

Your calculations are correct!

Also: fixed the info about the Dreadful Surmise option. It's usable at ToL 5-15, not uncapped as I had thought...

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Gonen
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12/5/2015
Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:

Your calculations are correct!

Also: fixed the info about the Dreadful Surmise option. It's usable at ToL 5-15, not uncapped as I had thought...



Great. Actually, not my idea but someone here suggested that method in last year's posts. Don't remember who, but I've saved that guide to a doc file for future (now present) reference. So credit goes to him/her/Xem (am I using it right?)

Also, I've noticed you fixed my spelling of Bethlehem. Kind of you to do this discreetly =)
I made that mistake because originally, Bethlehem is two words (Beit - house of, Lehem - bread) though indeed, that is not how one writes it in English.

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Kylestien
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12/5/2015
So, if I were to want to buy The Brass Embassy Sanctom and the Royal Bethleham, what would be the best way?

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Màiread
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12/5/2015
The Sanctum needs 8 taste, and the Royal Beth 7, so you can get both of those just by using pails, although the extra points you get from Mr Sacks cards will be helpful. Assuming you have SotC 10, the simplest method is to use a semiotic monocle on a pail, then dunk a soul in a pail, soul dunk again, and then use the monocle once more to reach 8 taste. That means 8 pails to get both lodgings without using Mr Sacks. Playing the right options on the Sacks cards can get you up to 5 points of extra taste, or up to 12 with fate. So my advice is: use the monocle/dunk method to reach 8, use Mr Sacks to reach 13 (or as high as you can). Then buy the Sanctum, and use buckets to build up taste again. 13-8=5, so with Sacks you'll need 5 pails total to reach your goal, which you'll get between the advent calendar & snowfall.

Incidentally you can reach 8 taste with only 3 pails, but only one you have access to the wicket (ie after you've finished Mr Sacks). Use the monocle on two buckets (taste 6), then use the 'wander by the shore option' which consumes a level of taste, then use the monocle on a third bucket to reach 8.
edited by Màiread on 12/5/2015
edited by Màiread on 12/5/2015

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Gonen
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12/5/2015
Actually, as I wrote above, you only need 2 Pails for the first lodging and 2 pails for the second (not including those needed to give to Mr.Sacks in order to receive Taste of Lacre).
Follow the instructions several posts earlier. You need the Monocle, though.

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Màiread
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12/5/2015
Yep, that's very true. Giving Sacks a pail isn't a great use of the card or the bucket, but assuming we get a free point from the advent calendar as per usual you'll save time/buckets that way. Good catch!

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Grenem
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12/5/2015
Màiread wrote:
Yep, that's very true. Giving Sacks a pail isn't a great use of the card or the bucket, but assuming we get a free point from the advent calendar as per usual you'll save time/buckets that way. Good catch!


Here's another trick, once the wicket gate is open. assuming you are at 0, 3 or 6, to get to 8 efficiently.

use buckets to reach six. If you didn't have nine, Take one of the 1 ToL actions, and use another bucket to hit 8. This is a very nice bucket conservation trick, since it reaches 8 in three actions, where before you'd have needed 4. Of course, this isn't availible until mr. sacks is gone, which reduces it's effectiveness a little.

EDIT: opps, someone already listed it in this page. still, it bears repeating, so this is still there regardless.
edited by Grenem on 12/5/2015

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Màiread
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12/5/2015
Yep, I mentioned that above - it's really useful for building up taste again once you've bought the spire/noman.

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Det
Det
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12/6/2015
AS far as i remember, some Pails should be available from storylet that appears after Time the Healer comes. When does it happen? Tonight TtH gave nothing, except for 7 cards...

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harbourlady
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12/6/2015
So i used the monocle on the bucket we received from the advent calendar, expecting it to result in ToL - instead, it increased my SoC a bit above 10, but no ToL. I'm wondering if anyone else had this happen? Normally anything that raises my SoC makes for a happy harbourlady, but i'm really shooting to maximize my ToL this year to get the 5 card lodging at the Bazaar or the Beth.

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Myrto
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12/6/2015
harbourlady wrote:
So i used the monocle on the bucket we received from the advent calendar, expecting it to result in ToL - instead, it increased my SoC a bit above 10, but no ToL. I'm wondering if anyone else had this happen? Normally anything that raises my SoC makes for a happy harbourlady, but i'm really shooting to maximize my ToL this year to get the 5 card lodging at the Bazaar or the Beth.


Same thing happened to me. I thought I did something wrong!

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suinicide
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12/6/2015
I think ToL doesn't give you the numeric value, it gives you the title instead. (Example: if this was daring it would just say DAREDEVIL instead of "daring increased to 10") You can go under "story" in the myself tab to see the actual value you have. (Or at least you can for PtPt:ToL. If theres a difference between the two)
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Grenem
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12/6/2015
suinicide wrote:
I think ToL doesn't give you the numeric value, it gives you the title instead. (Example: if this was daring it would just say DAREDEVIL instead of "daring increased to 10") You can go under "story" in the myself tab to see the actual value you have. (Or at least you can for PtPt:ToL. If theres a difference between the two)
edited by suinicide on 12/6/2015

Exactly. If you see the pail icon show up, you probably gained a point lacre.

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NiteBrite
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12/6/2015
You can only see the numeric value of ToL if you place it on your profile mantle, sort of like how Airs of London do that too. I've temporarily put my ToL on my mantle as an example: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/NiteBrite
edited by NiteBrite on 12/6/2015

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genesis
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12/6/2015
But just to clarify, has anyone tried using the Monocle today and received a successful increase in ToL?

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NiteBrite
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12/6/2015
Yes. I previously had no ToL at all. Then I used the monocle and now I have 3, as seen on my profile.

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harbourlady
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12/6/2015
ah that would explain it - i also am showing 3. Thank you for the clarification!!

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genesis
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12/6/2015
NiteBrite wrote:
Yes. I previously had no ToL at all. Then I used the monocle and now I have 3, as seen on my profile.



Ah thank you. I wasn't entirely clear that this was new as I still have ToL 2 from last year

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The Master
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12/6/2015
genesis wrote:
But just to clarify, has anyone tried using the Monocle today and received a successful increase in ToL?


I have used my monocle on the snow pail from the the yesterday's pail, was there snowfall today? I didn't see anything when I checked my lodging.
edited by The Master on 12/6/2015

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Myrto
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12/6/2015
Thanks for the clarification!!

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