Parelle
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11/6/2015
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ArtificerProdigy wrote:
I was about to start sending letters to everyone giving me confessions to see if they would mind me gossiping to the masters. As much as it would be in character, it doesn't feel right roleplaying in a community event in a way that harms others' experience. Any opinions on this? Do you mind an extra bit of scandal blake? =P
*puts on Librarian hat* Here, have some cross-references:
On Betrayals for fun and profit: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic20906-hallowmas-betrayals-for-connected-masters.aspx
ArtificerProdigy wrote:
Also, with the right criteria both posi confession menaces can be met and accepted in 5 actions without social interaction. Assuming you have access to the same tools I do, here was my method for each starting at 0 menaces:....
There's a conversation on Raising Menaces which had some other suggestions as well - http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9427-raising-menaces.aspx
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ArtificerProdigy
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11/6/2015
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Why, look at that! There's a thread for everything! Many thanks delicious librarian friend! =)
Perhaps I should pay a bit more attention to the forums, I'm pretty sure I already failed to betray everyone on that list that confessed to me, haha.
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mzingalwa
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11/6/2015
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I ended up cancelling some of the requests that I have recieved on account of the sheer volume. I sent out a vast number of requests, not expecting all of them to be responded to, and have recieved far more than I can possibly respond to by the 9th. I'm still trying to respond to as many of the remaining ones as I can out of politeness, but I cancelled some of the Pride requests that I recieved as I specified that I would prefer whimsy requests.
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Nigel Overstreet
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11/6/2015
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mzingalwa wrote:
I ended up cancelling some of the requests that I have received on account of the sheer volume. I sent out a vast number of requests, not expecting all of them to be responded to, and have received far more than I can possibly respond to by the 9th. I'm still trying to respond to as many of the remaining ones as I can out of politeness, but I cancelled some of the Pride requests that I received as I specified that I would prefer whimsy requests.
You ended up canceling requests almost the very instance that yours happened to be accepted.
If you knew you couldn't reciprocate all requests, you should have cancelled the ones you sent as well. You could have at least cancelled requests that had not been accepted so yours could have be rejected as well.
If you weren't prepared to accept Pride requests, you should have decreased your Wounds or Nightmares so they'd stop incoming.
I think you owe a large number of people a very personal apology.
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edited by Nigel Overstreet on 11/6/2015
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NiteBrite
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11/6/2015
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I think its clear here there was no malicious intent with the cancellations. Hallowmas is a fast and frenzied holiday and it can be very difficult to keep track of who has accepted what. Mzingalwa was clear that they could only accept a specific type of confession, so it is understandable possibly even predictable that the cancellations happened when the stated preference was ignored. What you describe Nigel would have been the ideal solution, to decrease wounds and nightmares so that you don't get pride requests, but sometimes that can be hard to avoid. Especially hard to avoid if you don't understand why people are sending you pride confessions when you asked them not to. I'd chalk this whole thing down to a simple misunderstanding exacerbated by the fast pace of the holiday and the lack of any developed etiquette rules for such situations prior to the start of this holiday.
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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11/6/2015
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Goodness knows I've been cranky over social stuff on this forum before, but I agree with NiteBrite, and hope people remember that the pressures of this event may be heightening emotional reactions all around.
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Nigel Overstreet
Posts: 1220
11/6/2015
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NiteBrite wrote:
I think its clear here there was no malicious intent with the cancellations.
I don't think that's clear at all. I didn't have any interaction, but according to about a dozen people, Mzingalwa waited until they had accepted his request before he cancelled his. He continued to do this over several days.
Moreover, not everyone reads the list as intricately as we all might like. some might not even read it at all and just happened to be your contact anyway.
But, if someone sent you a Pride request you knew you couldn't reciprocate, you could then cancel that Pride as it was received or when you knew you couldn't accept them. That way the person could then either send you a Whimsy request or not and just Decline your request as well.
I understand that Hallowmas is a crazy time and lots of mistakes happen, but if you're going to take someone's confession and then refuse to give yours, I feel you owe that person an apology.
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dov
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11/6/2015
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Indeed, the timing is suspicious, as is the fact that the requests canceled were those of people who have already confessed themselves.
Also, when I request confessions, my default is Whimsy, unless the person requested otherwise (i.e. if it said "all", I'd choose Whimsy). My notes say that I've requested from Mzingalwa a confession of Pride and I only went for Pride when this was explicitly listed in the list as the preferred confession. NiteBrite's docs aren't available anymore to confirm, though.
Of course, this could be all a mistake (maybe I looked at the wrong line in the doc when sending the request, maybe it's just an unfortunate timing that Mzingalwa canceled requests right after those players confessed, etc.).
Either way it doesn't much matter at this point. When confessing to hundreds of strangers, there are bound to be some disappointments. No real harm done.
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Det
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11/6/2015
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First of all, if you did not want to get Pride requests, staying low on one menace during Hallomass was pretty easy. Second, when i get a request "At the Feast of Masks, Mzingalwa wore a golden skull and carried an unlit candle. Softly, they invited you to confess an error of pride." without any comments inside, i naturally try to send back the same request. And the most important thing: waiting for someone to accept a request and only after that cancelling is really really really insulting. Even in a message here there isn't a single statement of apology or even simply "Sorry".
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Nigel Overstreet
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11/6/2015
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NiteBrite wrote:
So no, I'm not convinced of any misconduct in this instance.
Nor, do I think, you really need to be.
That's between Mzingalwa and the people he accepted confessions from, but did not give confessions to.
Currently there are a lot of people who are very hurt by his actions this season and that deserves to be addressed.
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Sara Hysaro
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11/6/2015
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Everyone please calm down.
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Nigel Overstreet
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11/6/2015
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
Everyone please calm down.
You're right. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as untoward.
this isn't really something that needed to be addressed publicly.
I apologize.
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dov
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11/6/2015
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As one of those who was supposedly "harmed" by this, I'll repeat what I wrote earlier:
Either way it doesn't much matter at this point. When confessing to hundreds of strangers, there are bound to be some disappointments. No real harm done.
Let's all move on.
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Erika
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11/7/2015
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I would also like to apologise to those confession requests I won't be able to request. I have recieved 278 unique confession request this Hallowmas and I won't be able to accept all of them. I am trying to give preference to those that I sent a request to, but I have gotten so many gifts as part of the Starveling Cafe that they've flooded my inbox, making preferential treatment all but impossible.
The only cards I am doing are 'Gift a Gift' and 'A nearly unwrapped cat?', both of which I have only gotten once this Hallowmas. I am forgoing my own benefit and using the most efficient accepting methods that I can, favouring petting starveling cats over Blood-Red Tales for just that .2 of an action faster. I am also sleeping 7 hours as opposed to sleeping in during my post-exam holidays so I can manage 138 (or there abouts) actions a day. I've sadly buggered up a few times and let my wounds drop below 3 or forgotten to do the hat dance a few times.
Also apologies for spending 33 actions force-drawing the Amanuensis and cashing in Orphanage scheme.
If you feel personally wronged by my inability to accept your confession, I will send you gifts.
Oh, EDIT: Please don't send me any poisons/dupes, I've already got someone lovely enough to do that for me.
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Arandia
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11/7/2015
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mzingalwa wrote:
I ended up cancelling some of the requests that I have recieved on account of the sheer volume. I sent out a vast number of requests, not expecting all of them to be responded to, and have recieved far more than I can possibly respond to by the 9th. I'm still trying to respond to as many of the remaining ones as I can out of politeness, but I cancelled some of the Pride requests that I recieved as I specified that I would prefer whimsy requests.
No worries Mzingalwa, I for one was confused by it at first, but now I see. Sorry for sending Pride instead of Whimsy in the first place, and thanks for explaining here on the forum! Happy Hallowmas!
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Arandia
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11/7/2015
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Cecil wrote:
I would also like to apologise to those confession requests I won't be able to request. I have recieved 278 unique confession request this Hallowmas and I won't be able to accept all of them. I am trying to give preference to those that I sent a request to, but I have gotten so many gifts as part of the Starveling Cafe that they've flooded my inbox, making preferential treatment all but impossible.
edited by Cecil on 11/7/2015
Cecil, that's totally okay, I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that (if my notes are correct) I sent you an Impropriety request, so that would pretty much be free for you ;-)
Happy Hallowmas!
P.S. Expect Beryllium back early next week, with my thanks (and plenty scars to show for it)!
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Erika
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11/7/2015
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Arandia wrote:
Cecil, that's totally okay, I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that (if my notes are correct) I sent you an Impropriety request, so that would pretty much be free for you ;-)
Happy Hallowmas!
P.S. Expect Beryllium back early next week, with my thanks (and plenty scars to show for it)!
I. I??? Why didn't I accept that automatically???? You are correct, my emails show that is what you sent and my trust and exposed qualities say that I haven't accepted.That is really weird.of me?? Well, at least, you're a PoSI so accepting it by this point now wouldn't help you annny... oh cool if someone sent out 10 confessions of whimsy, and but if they were accepted and consigned one by one at the same time, you could still recieve the full benefit of 10 confessions. I'm probably phrasing that weird, but I'm sure you get the idea. Point is, Upon getting around to you, if you'd consigned all your confessions, you'd still recieve the full benefits of that confession. Although, since you were the 49th person (roughly) to send me a request and I'm accepting around number 183.. I'm not likely to get to you on time sorry.
Oh! Also. Turns out. That 58 (roughly) hours ago I got 1000 Spirit. Which is notable because since then I haven't consigned anything, So the extra 86 Spirit I have on top of that are all gotten from accepting confession requests. Assuming perfect action usage and 4 actions per confession, I should have been able to accept 87. Granted there were a few non-posi in there and I'm sleeping here and there, but I still think that's doing really good. The whole "try again" not working to save you from menace states also took a few actions as well.
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malthaussen
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11/7/2015
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Cecil: Due to the bug in Confessions discussed elsewhere, I am withdrawing my Confession offer to you (which you probably wouldn't get to anyway, as it was sent early the first day). Since I can't bury it anyway, no point in locking you out for next year.
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babelfishwars
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11/8/2015
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I'm a little late to the thread, but to a few posters above - let's not have a trial of anyone's possible motivations or intentions, or whether adequate apologies have been given (or required), please. There is no way this can go anywhere good.
Thank you.
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BlakeTheDrake
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11/9/2015
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Well, this thread wound up being more far-reaching than I'd expected when I made it just to moan about the impossibility of accepting all my Confessions-requests... but I thought I'd just jump in at this point to put an ending on the story: Right now, with a couple of hours to go on the event, I cleared my inbox! 
...well, mostly. I've got one outstanding confession from someone called 'Scienceandponies', which I can't accept because they are 'in the wrong place to do that'... perhaps they lost control of their menaces? 's been that way since yesterday, and is unlikely to change before the end, but c'est la vie - nothing I can do about it. >_>
Anyway, with a massive amount of help from my good friend Lady Eris, and quite a bit from random well-wishers (or, y'know, poisoners and betrayers), I managed it. A few of the last ones turned out to be duplicates, and I was able to clear another couple after reading the thread about high- and low-priority confessions.... it all helped. So now I can welcome the end of the feast, and accept my 500-spirit prize with a clean conscience. ^_^
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