Ian Hart wrote:

Is "Then, as they say in the Presbyterate..." functioning correctly? By a rough reckoning it's 2 echoes per action, though I suppose difficulty in grinding Mysteries of the Elder Continent might mitigate that somewhat?

I feel the need to point out that this is a rather large loophole in the FL economy. Although I suspect most Exceptional Friends would rather continue on to the 2nd half of Flint rather than endlessly talk to the Bishop of St. Fiacre, it's currently the most profitable "ordinary, accessible grind" in the game, even for a new POSI -- and it's the cheapest way to get Antique Mysteries for say, buying the 5-card Royal Bethlehem lodging.

Even if you grind Jade, convert it into Relics of the Third City and then into Mysteries of the Elder Continent, then turn those one at a time into Presbyterate Passphrases and sell them, it's around 1.75 echoes per action:

• Grind 5000 Jade at Unfinished Business in Watchmaker's Hill for around 250 Jade per action: 40 actions (on average)
• Convert 5000 Jade into 525 Relics of the Third City: 5 actions
• Convert 500 Relics of the Third City into 105 Mysteries of the Elder Continent: 1 action
• Convert 105 Mysteries of the Elder Continent into 105 Presbyterate Passphrases by talking to the Bishop in the House of Chimes: 105 actions
• Sell 105 Presbyterate Passphrases and 25 Relics of the Third City for 265 Echoes after the 151 actions listed above: 1.75 Echoes per action

Do I have that right? I'm not tempted to try and grind out a goat or cider's worth of Echoes this way, and I hope nobody else is either -- but it would be faster than a lot of other methods. A tiny bit better than spirifage, I think? Maybe it's close enough to spirifage, and similarly available to fate-purchasers, that this is OK.
edited by metasynthie on 11/9/2015

[spoiler]I seem to recall a back exit in the Place-Where-Food-Is-Prepared.[/spoiler]

Isn't that 250 jade per *two* actions?
According to my calculations, best repeatable (non-fate?) way to get AMs are particular thefts (with gang of hoodlums and high shadowy), at .. 126 ppa?

Gah, I misclicked and, intending to question the Bishop further, I wound up telling him that I had the Word and not the Knapt. And then my hand, pre-programmed as it was for what I thought I was doing, exited out of that screen before I could read it. Has anyone echoed that particular response, where he [REDACTED]

MadmanAtW wrote:

Gah, I misclicked and, intending to question the Bishop further, I wound up telling him that I had the Word and not the Knapt. And then my hand, pre-programmed as it was for what I thought I was doing, exited out of that screen before I could read it. Has anyone echoed that particular response, where he [REDACTED]

I recorded his response here.

Ian Hart wrote:

I've been grinding it whenever I don't have the focus to do something else. It seems simple and profitable to me (if a bit click-intensive.) I've been gaining my Mysteries through side-converting, since I imagine I'll have to move on in the story long before I run out of tier 3s. I'm hoping it'll help me make some significant progress on my goat, if only by keeping me focused.
edited by Ian Hart on 11/9/2015

Aha! It appears that this was changed to two actions instead of one, which makes it far less profitable.