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I would like to propose another theory: that Mr. Fires is actually two tiny masters hiding under the same cloak
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th8827
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suinicide wrote:
I would like to propose another theory: that Mr. Fires is actually two tiny masters hiding under the same cloak
Only two? Are you sure that he is not a colony of tiny Masters? His voice is different from the other Masters, with strange harmonics, and you need more than two to have the Voice of the Legion.
Either that, or he just does not bother to Whisper, like the other Masters, letting people hear his real voice.
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Kittenpox wrote:
the truthseeker wrote:
Hobnail wrote:
WE ARE FODDER
THE MASTERS KEEP US
THEY WILL FORGET US DOWN INTO THE GROUND
THEY WILL MAKE OF US LACRE
You forgot:
THEY WILL USE OUR SOULS AS FUEL
Quick question: Can the (human) residents of the Neath produce children?
Because if so, that's one heck of a renewable energy supply!
Sara Hysaro wrote:
People in the Neath can have children properly. This is true even if they've visited the boatman at some point before conceiving.
As noted by Sarah, returning from Death (or Unnatural Vitality that causes it) does neither prevent births nor mutate people. However, the reason the royal family beneath the cellars is so horribly monstrous is they consumed a large amount of tainted Red Honey. That combined with the unnatural vitalities of the 'Neath (as well as the horrible supernatural things the Masters did to keep their father alive who sired them) caused them to be what horrible thing they are now. That is the exception rather than the rule.
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Back to the number of Masters... if Apples and Hearts are one and the same, and Chimes and Sacks are both fake/Masters under different names, who is Master #11? Because if I remember correctly, it's been explicitly confirmed that there are 11 Masters (not 16, that's a rumor), but all that leaves us with is 10: Apples, Cups, Fires, Iron, Pages, Spices, Stones, Veils, Wines, and Eaten.
The 11th is Sacks. I'm pretty sure that I have read that he used to be a separate Master, but the current ones are filling in for him in recent years.
Always ask the ratty One Spacemarines9 about this kind of question at I'm a Candle. As noted, he believes the 11th is none other than the lost Master
[spoiler] Mr. Eaten or formerly Mr. Candles [/spoiler] as noted here. Another theory of his suggests the Bazaar counts as one. An earlier conjecture can be found here. Sacks however, is not a master but a Noman Lacre Golems reflected of all the Masters. (And yes, that includes the one I mentioned in spoiler above.)
th8827 wrote:
suinicide wrote:
I would like to propose another theory: that Mr. Fires is actually two tiny masters hiding under the same cloak
Only two? Are you sure that he is not a colony of tiny Masters? His voice is different from the other Masters, with strange harmonics, and you need more than two to have the Voice of the Legion.
Either that, or he just does not bother to Whisper, like the other Masters, letting people hear his real voice.
Yep. He does not hide his battiness (wordplay pun intentional.)
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the truthseeker wrote:
That combined with the unnatural vitalities of the 'Neath (as well as the horrible brought-back-from-dying-from-a-snakebite husband of the Duchess that fathered them) caused them to be what horrible thing they are now.
[spoiler]I fear you're conflating your Palace-dwellers. The father of the Empress' children is the brought-back-from-dying-of-Typhoid husband of the Empress, the Prince Consort. The Duchess' husband is the Cantigaster. Both husbands have been messed up badly by Bazaar trickery, but in different ways.[/spoiler]
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KestrelGirl
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the truthseeker wrote:
th8827 wrote:
KestrelGirl wrote:
Back to the number of Masters... if Apples and Hearts are one and the same, and Chimes and Sacks are both fake/Masters under different names, who is Master #11? Because if I remember correctly, it's been explicitly confirmed that there are 11 Masters (not 16, that's a rumor), but all that leaves us with is 10: Apples, Cups, Fires, Iron, Pages, Spices, Stones, Veils, Wines, and Eaten.
The 11th is Sacks. I'm pretty sure that I have read that he used to be a separate Master, but the current ones are filling in for him in recent years.
Always ask the ratty One Spacemarine9 about this kind of question at I'm a Candle. As noted, he believes the 11th is none other than the lost Master
[spoiler] Mr. Eaten or formerly Mr. Candles [/spoiler] as noted here. Another theory of his suggests the Bazaar counts as one. An earlier conjecture can be found here. Sacks however, is not a master but a Noman Lacre Golems reflected of all the Masters. (And yes, that includes the one I mentioned in spoiler above.)
Once again: I have Apples/Hearts, Cups/Mirrors, Fires, Iron, Pages, Spices, Stones, Veils, Wines, and Eaten. Still one missing, because that adds up to 10.
Personally, my vote for #11 is Sacks.
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KestrelGirl wrote:
Once again: I have Apples/Hearts, Cups/Mirrors, Fires, Iron, Pages, Spices, Stones, Veils, Wines, and Eaten. Still one missing, because that adds up to 10.
Personally, my vote for #11 is Sacks.
But what if we count Candles as well?
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NiteBrite
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For lack of a better answer let's just assume it's Mr Names, the twitter lore exclusive master who is more a twitter directory than an actual in game master. I haven't seen anything expressly denying Names as a legit master per se.
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KestrelGirl
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Albedineity wrote:
KestrelGirl wrote:
Once again: I have Apples/Hearts, Cups/Mirrors, Fires, Iron, Pages, Spices, Stones, Veils, Wines, and Eaten. Still one missing, because that adds up to 10.
Personally, my vote for #11 is Sacks.
But what if we count Candles as well?
Candles = Eaten.
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For lack of a better answer let's just assume it's Mr Names, the twitter lore exclusive master who is more a twitter directory than an actual in game master. I haven't seen anything expressly denying Names as a legit master per se.
Interesting solution, but the fact that he only exists on Twitter is a problem. He'd have little or no purpose in London!
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KestrelGirl wrote:
Albedineity wrote:
KestrelGirl wrote:
Once again: I have Apples/Hearts, Cups/Mirrors, Fires, Iron, Pages, Spices, Stones, Veils, Wines, and Eaten. Still one missing, because that adds up to 10.
Personally, my vote for #11 is Sacks.
But what if we count Candles as well?
Candles = Eaten.
I know, but I think it could be a possibility as well, maybe. Although I think it's probably Mr Sacks who's the 11th Master, like someone said earlier.
(also, apologies to whoever I accidentally reported.)
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[spoiler] Oops, that was a melding mistakenly there Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook. Both had either dying or dead supernatural restoration that messed up their body, I'll just edit that in. Dumb forum won't allow more than one spoiler so sorry for the non-quote [/spoiler]
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xKiv
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I am pretty sure the only known mr. names not included in the 10 (and their aliases) are Sacks, Names, and Chimes. There may be others, but they wouldn't be mentioned in the game (by name).
(there's also their khan names, of which we know some - dreams (who is merry), swords (who doesn't speak), fires (who rules incense, and now candles), hearts (butcher), roots (farmer), drums (whose dance cannot be denied) - maybe one of those is not one of the contemporarily known ones?).
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The Khan names... well, Dreams is Wines, Swords is Iron, Fire is of course Fires, Hearts and Roots are Apples/Hearts, and Drums is Chimes (but it's been established that Chimes is several different Masters).
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th8827
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If we are compiling alternate names for the Masters...
[spoiler]Mr. Wines is going to be M. Mourvèdre in the future, if the Mirror-Marches are anything to be believed. Things don't turn out well for him.
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th8827 wrote:
If we are compiling alternate names for the Masters...
[spoiler]Mr. Wines is going to be M. Mourvèdre in the future, if the Mirror-Marches are anything to be believed. Things don't turn out well for him.
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I believe that was just an alias he was going with while making that particular deal. It would certainly be strange for the Masters to suddenly break pattern in their naming.
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That would be perfectly in character, as
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Mourvèdre is a red wine grape varietal. Monsieur Mourvèdre = Mr Wine(grape).
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I have a pair of new theories about Mr. Sacks. spoiler for some Fate Locked content.
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http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/th8827?fromEchoId=7287655
Here, Mr. Pages calls himself an Original.
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Hannah~Claire~Richards?fromEchoId=7381553
From someone else's journal here... Mr. Sacks mentions his Original.
Putting these together, I think that Mr. Sacks is actually a Noman.
Theory 1. He is an amalgamation of all of the Masters. Since they all shoveled snow separately, portions of their essence got infused into different parts of the snow. His personality shifts, depending on which one is dominant, forgetting what the other personalities did, resulting in multiple visits.
Theory 2. Each Master made a Noman of themselves to fill in for Mr. Sacks, and there is no coordination between them, resulting in multiple visits.
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th8827 wrote:
I have a pair of new theories about Mr. Sacks. spoiler for some Fate Locked content.
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http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/th8827?fromEchoId=7287655
Here, Mr. Pages calls himself an Original.
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Hannah~Claire~Richards?fromEchoId=7381553
From someone else's journal here... Mr. Sacks mentions his Original.
Putting these together, I think that Mr. Sacks is actually a Noman.
Theory 1. He is an amalgamation of all of the Masters. Since they all shoveled snow separately, portions of their essence got infused into different parts of the snow. His personality shifts, depending on which one is dominant, forgetting what the other personalities did, resulting in multiple visits.
Theory 2. Each Master made a Noman of themselves to fill in for Mr. Sacks, and there is no coordination between them, resulting in multiple visits.
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It's already been discussed here. You were correct on Point two but not deliberately done by them, more "automatically" by the Bazaar; think child-parent dynamic afterwards. But yes, no coordination.
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