Lacunae
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10/24/2015
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I've been looking into the world of Fallen London with greater depth, and someone pointed me towards the Silver Tree. I've tried to play the game (which seems to have no action cap for some reason) but I found it incredibly grindy and haven't progressed far in the stories. It seems to be set in the same world, but are the stories of Silver Tree canon? Also, would there be anywhere I could find the parts of the Silver Tree (the relationship between the Khan and the Princess, as well as what the Fountain is/why William had to build it) which are relevant to Fallen London?
Thanks in advance!
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Samuel Perryman
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12/19/2015
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it here yet, but I stumbled upon what became of William the Sculptor. When I was trading sherry for brilliant souls, the Infernal Sommelier told me:
[spoiler]"Now do look after that one. A sculptor of the Fourth City, crossed in love at the court and later disembowelled. He did the silver fountain, you know?"[/spoiler]
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NiteBrite
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10/24/2015
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If you are looking for the history of how Silver Tree came to be, this link to it's archived kickstarter page may be of some use to you: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elizabethsampat/tales-of-fallen-london-the-silver-tree/description
It's even got a cool promotional video featuring non-other than the one and only Chris Gardiner.
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phryne
Posts: 1351
10/24/2015
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KestrelGirl wrote:
The Interpreter became the Final Khan/Last Khan [...]
then the inhabitants rebelled against the Masters, and the city was annihilated [...]
Are those things confirmed or are you speculating?
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KestrelGirl
Posts: 138
10/25/2015
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Gonen wrote:
How can it be the Interpreter? How did he survived length of time from the fall of Karakorum to the fall of London to be the last king?
Also, I thought the Widow was the princess of the last king of the Neath, not the last king which sold the city at the Silver Tree.
Are there any evidences to prove that the Widow is the princess from Silver Tree and not from years later after the city fell (a princess who tried to arrange a rebellion, like the yesterday's king said)
1. Hesperidean Cider/peach brandy?
2. ...what? King of the Neath isn't a thing.
3. Yes, it's confirmed. Just not sure where.
Clarification:
The Silver Tree itself was a fountain in Karakorum/the Fourth City. It existed IRL.
The Widow drank peach brandy so she is partially immortal. That's how she's survived since the 14th century. She orchestrated the fall of the Fourth City.
The rebellion happened in the early 19th century, and it was led by Yesterday's King, who also drank peach brandy/Hesperidean Cider and is apparently hinted to have been the Widow's brother. The Widow played a supporting role.
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Diptych
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10/25/2015
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Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
I can't remember any mention of actual rebelling, it seems to have been more a case of civil war. The Bazaar seems to slowly devour the fallen cities -- there's a storylet in FL stating how population is constantly dwindling. When that became apparent in the 4th city, some enterprising Khaganians wanted to get far away from the Bazaar's influence and founded the Khanate in the Eastern Unterzee...
If memory serves, the split within the Fourth City was less pro/anti-Bazaar than about collaboration with the Fingerkings. The New Khanate was founded by the anti-Fingerking faction, which is why mirrors are treated as contraband there.
As for the rest of the debate... it's ages since I've played Silver Tree through, but if memory serves... the Princess definitely became the Widow, but I have no clear idea what became of the Interpreter, or who Yesterday's King is.
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
10/31/2015
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Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
Angus Turner wrote:
What's all this about the Interpreter being the Last Khan? I don't remember anything like that from when I played through the affair of the box. I've been looking for an echo of Yesterday's King mentioning her, and I can't find anything. Could someone give me a link?
Actually, I was wrong there: it's not from Yesterday's King at all. It's mentioned at the very beginning of the Tomb of Seven archaeological expedition. Though the Last Khan is explicitly addressed as "he" there, so I'm really not too sure about this having anything to do with the Interpreter from Silver Tree. As I recall, she wasn't noble-born either, so for her to become Khan (is there a feminine version of the word? Khaness?) would've been super-extraordinary really.
Edit: I've edited my earlier post about Yesterday's King. No need to sow more confusion...
edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 10/31/2015
According to Wikipedia, the female counterpart for "Khan" is "Khatun" or "Khanum". A little casual reading of their biographies show that they're just as Dangerous and Persuasive as their brothers.
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Angus Turner
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11/2/2015
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Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
Actually, I was wrong there: it's not from Yesterday's King at all. It's mentioned at the very beginning of the Tomb of Seven archaeological expedition. Though the Last Khan is explicitly addressed as "he" there, so I'm really not too sure about this having anything to do with the Interpreter from Silver Tree. As I recall, she wasn't noble-born either, so for her to become Khan (is there a feminine version of the word? Khaness?) would've been super-extraordinary really.
The Interpreter wasn't a noble. In fact she wasn't even mongolian. She also hated the empire, and was involved in some sort of scheme to sabotage it; in one of the endings she mentions that the Khan killed everyone that she loved. I can't see any way for her to become a Khan after the fall.
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AmouryDeDomremy
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11/21/2015
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The first Correspondent, perhaps? Interpreter of the Correspondence, hence being buried with the Correspondence stones? Its pure speculation, of course, but its a possible alternative reading to what we've been arguing the title to mean.
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Pyrodinium
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11/21/2015
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genesis wrote:
Is it possible that the Interpreter for whatever reason was buried together with the Final Khan and with time the two identities became blurred?
If FBG is following ancient Mongolian rituals, then I am afraid this is not possible. Non-nobles are subjected to sky burial so there's probably no body left of the Interpreter (which I believe is either a disgraced noble or not a noble at all) if she were buried like this. As for Mongol nobles, this article gives some hints that they're buried together with related nobles (family crypt?) and trinkets that they used in their lives like jewelry and headwear. Since the two are not related by blood or marriage, then there's no chance that they will be buried together.
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Rupho Schartenhauer
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10/24/2015
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Albedineity wrote:
It's Mr Wines - the Cloaked Emissary says so himself if you choose to go with him as the final choice.
Actually, you meet several Masters, but Mr Wines is the only one named. I remember a part where it's stated that the Cloaked Emissary behaves differently, and how he sometimes seems to be in several places at the same time. I don't think any of the Masters would miss out on the haggling over a new city, so each one probably gets a go as Cloaked Emissary... 
phryne wrote:
KestrelGirl wrote:
The Interpreter became the Final Khan/Last Khan [...]
then the inhabitants rebelled against the Masters, and the city was annihilated [...]
Are those things confirmed or are you speculating?
There's one mention of a Last Khan who was known as The Interpreter. I understood this to be related to the Correspondence, since this Khan was buried with seven correspondence stones. I don't think it has anything to do with the Interpreter from Silver Tree.
I can't remember any mention of actual rebelling, it seems to have been more a case of civil war. The Bazaar seems to slowly devour the fallen cities -- there's a storylet in FL stating how population is constantly dwindling. When that became apparent in the 4th city, some enterprising Khaganians wanted to get far away from the Bazaar's influence and founded the Khanate in the Eastern Unterzee...
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Estelle Knoht
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12/19/2015
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[spoiler]
In Silver Tree, there's an ending where you get the player, the Widow and William to escape to the Neath together in love (them two, at least). Even in that case, William dies in some unexplained incident despite the player and Widow preserving their own life with immortality brandy.[/spoiler]
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Estelle Knoht
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12/19/2015
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[spoiler]It is kind of doubtful that the Smuggler is William, given that they are polar opposite (think Psychotic Alpha Jerk vs Wimpy Nerd) and the text explicitly say that the Princess got the Widow name after William's death.
The Smuggler is also well-preserved while the Widow is presumably quite disfigured as the brandy doesn't do youth-preservation well.
As for the interpreter, she really, really hates the Khanate for destroying her home city, so much that she tries to get Karakorum destroyed before the Bazaar could purchase it. In the event she succeed, you get to ride a horse with Mr Wines as he jump onto your back <3 [/spoiler]
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