Grenem
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10/31/2015
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dov wrote:
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The traitor empress may, in some small way, be empress of the neath, but she handed over her control of the city. the others are the same- the masters rule, while they retain some power, but are largely powerless.
The Traitor Empress is the Empress of the British Empire (i.e. Queen Victoria), of which London is now located in the Neath.
Why do you think she is empress of all the Neath?
I don't, really. it was a reply to someone who insisted the 4th city's former king was king of the neath. likewise, the others also aren't truly royal anymore. (though they still could be called king or empress or khan in the neath.)
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Gonen
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10/31/2015
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Grenem wrote:
I don't, really. it was a reply to someone who insisted the 4th city's former king was king of the neath. likewise, the others also aren't truly royal anymore. (though they still could be called king or empress or khan in the neath.)
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Hi, I think you might be talking about me here. I wasn't saying KING OF THE WHOLE NEATH. In fact, when someone replied me and told there is no such thing, I agreed and tried to correct the misunderstanding.
Debating whether the widow is the last khan's daughter - I asked and argued whether she is the last khan's who ruled on the surface (the one on Silver Tree) or the last khan who ruled in the neath (several centuries later) whom I briefly called the king of the (4th city who was already at the neath instead the one who ruled the surface) neath. So we're straight on that, right? =)
That said, I too, have no idea where the Interpreter is the khan came from (gender differences, no reason to be still alive after so many years...) and still not sure whether the Widow is the original Silver Tree princess or last Khan who ruled the 'neath's daughter. No strong evidence either way.
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Angus Turner
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11/2/2015
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Rupho Schartenhauer wrote:
Actually, I was wrong there: it's not from Yesterday's King at all. It's mentioned at the very beginning of the Tomb of Seven archaeological expedition. Though the Last Khan is explicitly addressed as "he" there, so I'm really not too sure about this having anything to do with the Interpreter from Silver Tree. As I recall, she wasn't noble-born either, so for her to become Khan (is there a feminine version of the word? Khaness?) would've been super-extraordinary really.
The Interpreter wasn't a noble. In fact she wasn't even mongolian. She also hated the empire, and was involved in some sort of scheme to sabotage it; in one of the endings she mentions that the Khan killed everyone that she loved. I can't see any way for her to become a Khan after the fall.
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genesis
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11/2/2015
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Is it possible that the Interpreter for whatever reason was buried together with the Final Khan and with time the two identities became blurred?
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Gonen
Posts: 817
11/2/2015
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Fascinating thought indeed, but... why are we keep talking about the interpreter as the khan? To my recollection it was NEVER implicated and it doesn't make any sense in any direction we try to look at. How did this get to be an issue? :p
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genesis
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11/2/2015
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The link mentioned above:
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"There was a king they call the 'Final Khan', or sometimes, 'the Interpreter'. He ruled the Fourth City 'long after their Fall. He was buried with seven... somethings. Tools? Treasures? Tablets? Find his tomb, and find them."
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Gonen
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11/2/2015
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Ahhhh, oh boy. That just made things unnecessary complicated.
Still feels sooo far fetched. Thank you for looking that text for me.
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AmouryDeDomremy
Posts: 20
11/21/2015
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The first Correspondent, perhaps? Interpreter of the Correspondence, hence being buried with the Correspondence stones? Its pure speculation, of course, but its a possible alternative reading to what we've been arguing the title to mean.
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
11/21/2015
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genesis wrote:
Is it possible that the Interpreter for whatever reason was buried together with the Final Khan and with time the two identities became blurred?
If FBG is following ancient Mongolian rituals, then I am afraid this is not possible. Non-nobles are subjected to sky burial so there's probably no body left of the Interpreter (which I believe is either a disgraced noble or not a noble at all) if she were buried like this. As for Mongol nobles, this article gives some hints that they're buried together with related nobles (family crypt?) and trinkets that they used in their lives like jewelry and headwear. Since the two are not related by blood or marriage, then there's no chance that they will be buried together.
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Charlotte_de_Witte
Posts: 360
11/21/2015
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Only as its not been mentioned yet- William of Paris is certainly the real life sculptor of the Silver Tree Guillaume Bouchier. Its also heavily implied the player character is William of Rubruck or one of his entourage.
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Samuel Perryman
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12/19/2015
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it here yet, but I stumbled upon what became of William the Sculptor. When I was trading sherry for brilliant souls, the Infernal Sommelier told me:
[spoiler]"Now do look after that one. A sculptor of the Fourth City, crossed in love at the court and later disembowelled. He did the silver fountain, you know?"[/spoiler]
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
12/19/2015
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[spoiler]
In Silver Tree, there's an ending where you get the player, the Widow and William to escape to the Neath together in love (them two, at least). Even in that case, William dies in some unexplained incident despite the player and Widow preserving their own life with immortality brandy.[/spoiler]
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Charlotte_de_Witte
Posts: 360
12/19/2015
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
[spoiler]
In Silver Tree, there's an ending where you get the player, the Widow and William to escape to the Neath together in love (them two, at least). Even in that case, William dies in some unexplained incident despite the player and Widow preserving their own life with immortality brandy.[/spoiler]
That is very interesting!
Is the identity of the Freelance Smuggler established? I had hoped that might be William? He need not still have his soul or even be 'alive' per se still. Or does this rule that idea out completely?
Edit: Ah I see now that has been spoken about a little above, but even so it would be interesting if this information disproved that theory.
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Estelle Knoht
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12/19/2015
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[spoiler]It is kind of doubtful that the Smuggler is William, given that they are polar opposite (think Psychotic Alpha Jerk vs Wimpy Nerd) and the text explicitly say that the Princess got the Widow name after William's death.
The Smuggler is also well-preserved while the Widow is presumably quite disfigured as the brandy doesn't do youth-preservation well.
As for the interpreter, she really, really hates the Khanate for destroying her home city, so much that she tries to get Karakorum destroyed before the Bazaar could purchase it. In the event she succeed, you get to ride a horse with Mr Wines as he jump onto your back <3 [/spoiler]
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