Det
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As to the betrayals, i actually liked those who betrayed me. The reason is simple - that's 1CP of scandal for me at 0 cost. 2 betrayals during the night means 1 less action needed for gaining that particular menace, and every little bit helps when you try to accommodate all requests without spending Fate. 
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Shalinoth
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11/8/2015
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Betrayals also made lighter work of my progress in phase two. Most of which is spent giving others their confessions. So it all fits into the bigger picture. Betray me, and I can more easily give others the gift of a confession. If they choose to betray that confession, well it makes the ~next~ person's grind easier on me too.
I only came close one time to maybe losing a point of Notoriety. But MW can be raised so casually off-season that losing it in the middle of action-hungry events is nothing to me in the long run.
Now if I was Notoriety 15 or something.. (currently 11) I might worry a lot more. But I would also buffer myself against Hallowmas as I did this year with 35-ish MW.
tl;dr Betrayal is event-beneficial and helps us be charitable. We can get back to the grind of FL afterwards.
P.S. I offer Dante's Grill / Free Evenings to anyone that Betrayals cost Notoriety. I jokingly considered making a new thread called Betrayal Butthurt, pardon the language. But it might be a good idea to have a Post-Hallowmas thread to continue the community spirit we rallied for menace management this year. This time, it would be mutual / selfless Making Waves recuperation, or other resources stung by it.
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geremy
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I'll weigh in with my two cents. I sent out 153 confession requests (at least one of which was a duplicate) and have had 140 accepted already. I think that a greater than 90% acceptance rate is pretty excellent. I've only had two confession requests declined (aside from the duplicate) and only two confessions betrayed. In both cases, that's less than 2%. Considering that we made no promises to each other in signing on to these documents that we wouldn't betray each other, I think that's also pretty excellent. I agree that a little role-playing text to go along with a betrayal helps it go down better (both of my betrayers offered some), but I can hardly expect others to always offer role-play text when I usually don't myself. Anyone who was betrayed is obviously welcome to retaliate in-game (in fact, if they role-play, they probably should, unless they're role-playing a saint), but on the forums, we should try to roll with the punches. For the most part, it sounds like this was a very successful Hallowmas. Let's not leave with a bitter taste in our mouths.
P.S. Got a message in my inbox. Make that 141 accepted!
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Szadovar
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11/8/2015
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Det wrote:
As to the betrayals, i actually liked those who betrayed me. The reason is simple - that's 1CP of scandal for me at 0 cost. 2 betrayals during the night means 1 less action needed for gaining that particular menace, and every little bit helps when you try to accommodate all requests without spending Fate.
You can raise Scandal to 3 without spending any actions - if its at 0, equipping a Modish Bonnet/Scarlet stockings will give you a permanent point alongside the items +1, so putting on both gets you to exactly the value you need for confessions.
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Det
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11/8/2015
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Szadovar wrote:
Det wrote:
As to the betrayals, i actually liked those who betrayed me. The reason is simple - that's 1CP of scandal for me at 0 cost. 2 betrayals during the night means 1 less action needed for gaining that particular menace, and every little bit helps when you try to accommodate all requests without spending Fate.
You can raise Scandal to 3 without spending any actions - if its at 0, equipping a Modish Bonnet/Scarlet stockings will give you a permanent point alongside the items +1, so putting on both gets you to exactly the value you need for confessions. That helps only with Impropriety confessions For Whimsy it is better to remove/equip items, and then raise both Scandal and Suspicion to solid 2.
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Loon
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11/8/2015
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Szadovar wrote:
Det wrote:
As to the betrayals, i actually liked those who betrayed me. The reason is simple - that's 1CP of scandal for me at 0 cost. 2 betrayals during the night means 1 less action needed for gaining that particular menace, and every little bit helps when you try to accommodate all requests without spending Fate.
You can raise Scandal to 3 without spending any actions - if its at 0, equipping a Modish Bonnet/Scarlet stockings will give you a permanent point alongside the items +1, so putting on both gets you to exactly the value you need for confessions.
That is true, however, if you want to confess whimsy, you might want to wear the pirate hat instead because it is quicker to raise your scandal (social actions) than your suspicion.
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MissCrumpet
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11/8/2015
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Ok, to be honest, I'm not that annoyed by the betrayals. I know the gameplay mechanics mean that betrayals often hurt the betrayer more than the betrayed (as they will receive fewer Spirit). Withdrawn invitations without explanation are more frustrating, but it wasn't frequent enough to interfere with my plans (although I definitely overshot my goal of 500 spirit, so a couple cancellations were fine).
The main reason I popped in to this discussion (aside from the "I don't want to waste Fate" angle), is because I thought the discussion was being unfair to those who got upset at being betrayed. Spending actions and placing trust during the short holiday season was very intensive for many people. I basically put the game on hold so I could add as many new contacts as possible. Week two was even more frantic. I enjoyed all of this, especially the chance to meet new players.
Even though it is a gameplay option, I think it's a little rude to betray someone you don't know. It's especially true when you've put a lot of effort in to be friendly and involved. Gossiping about others is also rude, but we get to a point where others are shaming the few forum members who were venting: "You have no right to name and shame this member (or any member) for 'betraying'. The shame is that some people believe in 'shaming'."
You can look and see that I did not name any of the people who betrayed me (except Shalinoth, jokingly, after he admitted his many betrayals publicly), and I did not try to pick fights. I just think that those calling for a place to complain may have a legitimate reason to be upset, and certainly don't deserve the scorn of otherwise friendly forum members.
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Sara Hysaro
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11/8/2015
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You can complain about betrayals without publicly pointing fingers at the betrayers, though. Calling out your betrayer serves no purpose unless you're hoping to see them face some sort of consequences for it.
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navchaa
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11/8/2015
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I was pretty unhappy about betrayals at first - I'd thought I was down for mutual betrayals, but realised that I was on the anything goes list. Considering that, I've had very few betrayals indeed - maybe something like less than 10 out of the 150 confession requests I've sent. Only a few sent messages along with the betrayal and many did not give me a chance to reciprocate (it's especially galling when I'd already consigned their confessions!). But I had a chance for a bit of schadenfreude when our amusing Shalinoth admitted to going overboard with the betrayals and facing the consequences of not hitting his spirit target!
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Sara Hysaro
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11/8/2015
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I was pretty unhappy about betrayals at first - I'd thought I was down for mutual betrayals, but realised that I was on the anything goes list.
Oh, I didn't realize that you specifically wanted mutual betrayals; you just said that it'd be mutual if you had their confession. Sorry about that - I figured you were okay with betrayals in general. I've moved you into the mutual category for the remainder of the event, but in the future be sure to send me a message on the forum if you aren't in the category you wish to be in.
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MissCrumpet
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Tangential: Calling out a name can be useful, though. It's like leaving a bad review online - it's letting other people know not to waste their time. I'm uninterested in shunning or shaming, or even ignoring people after Hallowmas. That said, I imagine many people do want to call out players for their behavior, so I understand your perspective.
As I said in my earlier post, I don't think any kind of insulting/gossiping behavior belongs on the forums. I've seen enough internet communities become hostile and I certainly don't want that to happen here! So I apologize for any unpleasantness I might have caused. Please know that it is not my intention, as I think most Fallen Londoners are thoughtful and generous people who I am not looking to insult. I have had an amazing time this holiday season and hope I haven't made anyone unhappy.
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navchaa
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No worries at all! I'm actually ok to be on the anything goes list, mainly because I'm done for the season and in fact wondering whether it's worthwhile to spend my last few confessions with betrayals. For the 6 or so betrayals I've reciprocated, I've not got a single connected masters.
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I was pretty unhappy about betrayals at first - I'd thought I was down for mutual betrayals, but realised that I was on the anything goes list.
Oh, I didn't realize that you specifically wanted mutual betrayals; you just said that it'd be mutual if you had their confession. Sorry about that - I figured you were okay with betrayals in general. I've moved you into the mutual category for the remainder of the event, but in the future be sure to send me a message on the forum if you aren't in the category you wish to be in.
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