KestrelGirl
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8/30/2015
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I made a thing today! 
http://thefifthcity.wikia.com/
It'll eventually be a compendium of Fallen London, Sunless Sea, and perhaps The Silver Tree's lore: people, places, things, happenings. Feel free to add content - a page or two, or perhaps some artwork (with credit, of course). The most productive editors will become admins!
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The Sociable Academic/KestrelGirl, an inescapable, sagacious, irresistible and breathtaking Lady of Some Importance. (Also add: terrifying, lethal, and perhaps midnight.)
Proud owner of the Neathy Informer, a newspaper dedicated to the truth.
Help me out with my FL/SS lore wiki, The Fifth City! http://www.thefifthcity.wikia.com
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KestrelGirl
Posts: 138
8/30/2015
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RandomWalker, yes, I have seen it (as well as NiteBrite's Tumblr). The only problem is the format; I think it'll be hard to find seriously juicy information about a character/place/event/thing.
Danko, I've already created the wiki navigation, which contains basically all the categories we need to have - people, non-humans, the Masters, places, events, etc. I don't believe we really need ambitions; we just need the content you discover in them, like things about the Topsy King or Venderbight Isle.
I'm not on Reddit, but I've been thinking of signing up.
I'll be crediting everyone I get information from - I'm using lots of material from NiteBrite's old wiki attempt and am crediting her for that.
edited by KestrelGirl on 8/30/2015
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http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/KestrelGirl
The Sociable Academic/KestrelGirl, an inescapable, sagacious, irresistible and breathtaking Lady of Some Importance. (Also add: terrifying, lethal, and perhaps midnight.)
Proud owner of the Neathy Informer, a newspaper dedicated to the truth.
Help me out with my FL/SS lore wiki, The Fifth City! http://www.thefifthcity.wikia.com
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marcmagus
Posts: 168
9/5/2015
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KestrelGirl wrote:
I don't believe I'm including anything worthy of being considered a spoiler.
The nature of the Neath games is that the interesting lore is revealed through exploration, sometimes in bits and pieces but often as a reward for completing a segment of content. I suggest that a collection of Neathy Lore must by definition either be so vague as to be almost completely useless or be full of spoilers. I agree with NiteBrite that the wiki policy should be to permit spoilers and hide them behind some sort of spoiler fold, possibly nested spoiler folds as suggested by TheThirdPolice where appropriate if the software will support that.
There's also quite a bit of lore that's speculative, read between lines and probably true but not confirmed, believed by the general London population to be true but actually known by players to be false, and the like. I suggest the wiki team set up a template to easily tag some bit of information as speculative, ideally in a way that makes it easy to add an explanatory footnote. [Further discussion could occur in Talk, or the footnote could link to an appropriate conversation on the forum, as appropriate]
Regarding information copied from elsewhere with credit: on the one hand, that's not actually ok without permission. On the other hand, if NiteBrite and Spacemarine9 were to give permission for their content to be copied to the wiki to populate it while, say, crediting them in the changelog, it would resolve the issue. (It would also implicitly release any such content under CC-BY-SA, which they might not desire)
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NiteBrite
Posts: 1019
9/5/2015
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KestrelGirl wrote:
...I'm not sure how to untangle this. I put a warning on the homepage... would that be enough? O_o
edited by KestrelGirl on 9/5/2015
Articles right now are pretty short. If there was a ton of content, I think separate/tiered sections like what thethirdpolice suggests would be best. In its current state however we are probably talking about a paragraph or a few sentences even that need to be hidden. We have a number of tools at our disposal on how to do this.
What I am thinking is write a basic overview, then put an expand/collapse box under it for any spoilers sections. Any short sections of text (like single sentences) can be text/highlight color redacted. If a spoiler goes on for more than a paragraph or two move it to its own spoiler section at the bottom of the page. I just want to make sure its okay to dip into spoiler territory at all before I go ahead with this.
With regards to fanart, it really doesn't belong on the wiki. And if you do use it, you should really get written permission above and beyond just citing a credit link.
With regards to the articles created by my old wiki project, those were expressly created for the purpose of being used for a lore wiki (and it was a collaborative writing process with many volunteer writers not just me). Those should be fine to go up without crediting it in the article itself (although I guess using the history log notes works too). Other works I would not directly transfer (such as tumblrs and forums posts), but instead it would be good for use as a reference for creating your own unique articles. The information in those posts can be found elsewhere, in game and in echos. The exact wording cannot. I'd suggest using them as a guide for your own work is okay, but copying shouldn't be done without permission and citation in the history notes (not in the article directly).
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Hannah Flynn
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Posts: 491
9/7/2015
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We welcome the idea of a lore wiki and hope that efforts so far can be commingled to create a robust and spoiler-safe one!
Requirements:
- Include the fan project disclaimer prominently, and observe the other the fan project guidelines
- Consider another approach to spoilers within the text; a warning on the front page is not sufficient (imagine someone searching google for Fallen London terms and landing on the page with the information on it)
As for the handling of spoilers, there are two examples which I'd point to that follow some of what has already been suggested in this thread.
The Dragon Age Wiki's Lore Section - Well-written and using a sensible format for concealing details.
Universal Hint System - A way of displaying information in chunks which get progressively spoilery/on-the-nose (I've linked to an example game, so if you haven't played the 7th Guest, don't spoil yourself!).
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genesis
Posts: 924
9/7/2015
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Although this is not strictly the remit of a lore wiki, a universal hint system could also be used to provide lore-related play guidance as well.
For example, I've found in myself in the following situation a number of times: I would like to find out more about, say, Cantigaster. I am not being patient enough to just play the whole game through until something comes up (or maybe it hasn't been implemented yet or maybe I have played it but accidentally missed the content) but I also don't want to be outright spoiled as to the nature of Cantigaster.
So what I always wanted at those times is something like this: [spoiler]
"Cantigaster: Hint 0: Dangerous venom. Hint 1: Play the content at the University to find out more. Hint 2: If you are interested in Canitgaster pay particular attention to content involving the Duchess"
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edited by genesis on 9/7/2015
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http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin
Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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NiteBrite
Posts: 1019
9/8/2015
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KestrelGirl wrote:
I only wish I could recruit said players, besides NiteBrite, of course... :/
Anyway, I would get editing were it not basically impossible to add spoilers on the wiki. I can't change the text color to blend it into the background either. Bummer.
edited by KestrelGirl on 9/7/2015 Here, I made a quick template on how to do text color, expand collapse blocks, and hover text. You should be able to go into the Edit > Classic Editor > Source and copy the code and just change the text and images as required:
http://thefifthcity.wikia.com/wiki/Spoilers_Templates
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metasynthie
Posts: 645
9/7/2015
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Maybe some of the more well-read players could help point out where various pieces of information are encountered? I'd say anything in sidebars, common item descriptions, and early stories is not particularly spoilery, and tends to have a flavor of "common knowledge or rumour that Londoners talk about in everyday life."
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Lisbella Peridot
Posts: 138
8/30/2015
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As a new player, I can't wait to delve into this XD
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Anatasia Swansong - fencing prodigy, extraordinary beauty, and very stubborn
Welcoming friends of all sorts! All independent now.
Kelly Siniature - grinning, deranged, elegant child of indistinct gender
Kelly is taking a long break on isolation.
I also play Town of Salem and a few other games - still Lisbella Peridot!
I finally regained stable internet access, so I should be around more often...
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TheThirdPolice
Posts: 609
9/5/2015
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That passage gives ME spoilers and I've been around forever (just not done the Light Fingers ambition). Reread NiteBrite's post, I don't think you understand her wiki advice or her concern about writer credits.
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Danko
Posts: 142
8/30/2015
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I very much support the lore wiki.
To make it work I would suggest you create a list of most important articles (masters, ambitions, bazaar itself, locations, important people, and so on) and let any of the active community people pick some articles and write them.
Using St Arthur as a reference is a good idea too (with proper credit, of course), but it would also be great if every lore information had in-game reference (a quest or a storylet in FL/SS).
Would also be great if you copied the thread to other community platforms (reddit? I dont know much else).
I really hope the project will prosper!
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