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Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
Posts: 1374

8/14/2015
You'll have noticed the site is being much snappier: we moved a lot of things around. We've also added some subtle but significant improvements as of today:

http://www.failbettergames.com/sundry-fallen-london-improvements/

Enjoy!
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vitamancy
vitamancy
Posts: 43

8/14/2015
There is something a bit odd about the opportunity cards being added back to your hand after you use them. Earlier today I accepted a polite invitation, enjoyed a party with a whiskered admiral and a Turkish girl, and then returned only to find I still had a polite invitation sitting in my hand. While there is something appealing about a never-ending party, is that really how this new mechanism is intended to work?
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Thorbimorbi
Thorbimorbi
Posts: 48

8/15/2015
GiacomoHawkins wrote:

This regrettable bug however has allowed me to extensively playtest various parts of these sundry improvements, and I would like to point out one potential bug/feature. The player hand at the party is not persistent and was reset every visit, though that may be an intended feature as with heists which you specifically mentioned.

Also, it seems that the timer for the next card restarts at 10 minutes everytime a change of the deck occurs, no matter where it was before.

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dov
dov
Posts: 2580

8/15/2015
Ian Hart wrote:
I do certainly hope the Nadir is one of the places that resets on each visit.
I really really hope so.
Also, from lore perspective, given the nature of the Nadir it makes sense that every visit should start with a clean slate.

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lady ciel
lady ciel
Posts: 2548

8/18/2015
I don't know if this is one of the new "improvements" but the second chance trick no longer works on opportunity cards. I was in the Nadir with an alt and An Unlikely Garden disappeared after perhaps notting out of it upset

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Szadovar
Szadovar
Posts: 113

8/18/2015
an_ocelot wrote:
Frankly I'm amazed that worked as long as it did, because it's a flat- out exploit of a bug and could never have been reasonably thought to be how the game worked.

While this was a bug, the two largest effects of the fix are:
  • it is much harder to reach top tier Professions - since even stat capped players with the best gear won't have a success chance much higher than 50%, and those who have yet to reach either will need to deal with 30-40% chances
  • Nadir becomes less profitable

I don't really think either is something that the game needed.

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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Posts: 1372

8/18/2015
Yes, but since they were always intended to be hard/not-as-profitable, and were only less hard/more-profitable for the people who knew how to exploit a bug and were willing to do so--that is to say, cheat--really, I think it's kind of tactless to complain.

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EmilyAriel
EmilyAriel
Posts: 124

8/18/2015
Szadovar wrote:
an_ocelot wrote:
Frankly I'm amazed that worked as long as it did, because it's a flat- out exploit of a bug and could never have been reasonably thought to be how the game worked.

While this was a bug, the two largest effects of the fix are:
  • it is much harder to reach top tier Professions - since even stat capped players with the best gear won't have a success chance much higher than 50%, and those who have yet to reach either will need to deal with 30-40% chances
  • Nadir becomes less profitable

I don't really think either is something that the game needed.


Impossible Theorems are also significantly more dangerous to procure; that 100 echo and death penalty on a nine-action branch which tops out at like 30% has often been cited as the reason this *wasn't* a bug!
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marcmagus
marcmagus
Posts: 168

8/18/2015
lady ciel wrote:
I don't know if this is one of the new "improvements" but the second chance trick no longer works on opportunity cards. I was in the Nadir with an alt and An Unlikely Garden disappeared after perhaps notting out of it upset



Wow. While that might be considered a design improvement, it's a pretty huge change to release unannounced.

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Estelle Knoht
Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751

8/18/2015
cheshster wrote:

Impossible Theorems are also significantly more dangerous to procure; that 100 echo and death penalty on a nine-action branch which tops out at like 30% has often been cited as the reason this *wasn't* a bug!


It still works on the Impossible Theorem, no? It just doesn't work on opportunity cards anymore, but Theorem-hunting is a story branch.

Unlikely Garden is pure profit stuff, so you won't be hearing much protest from me about that one. Although I must admit it sounds pretty neat whenever someone mourns of spending all their Confident Smiles only to draw the End of Battles afterward.

That "Drawing infrequent card" is not a particularly compelling obstacle, though, for something they list as "Major Lateral".

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Gillsing
Gillsing
Posts: 1203

8/18/2015
I just noticed this latest change when I tried a challenging theft on the Burglary with the Master Jewel Thief card. And I always thought that card was designed with multiple second chance expenditures in mind. Was I wrong? It was already slightly less profitable than the Celebrated Artist's Model card, and with the 'Very infrequent' frequency no longer being mitigated by multiple attempts, it is significantly worse.

Not that I want to play the card or anything. I just happened to draw it every now and then. Hmph!
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Ian Hart
Ian Hart
Posts: 437

8/18/2015
Lets see...
debatably A Weakness in the Air (though I like that card)
An Altarful of Strangers, An Unlikely Garden (which is now "junk" if you fail,) Old Sins, and Something Moves.

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Estelle Knoht
Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751

8/18/2015
marcmagus wrote:

Wow. While that might be considered a design improvement, it's a pretty huge change to release unannounced.


I hope there will be some adjustment to help other people reach Tier 4 Professions - Very Infrequent Card + ~50% Success Chance is not so nice if your card goes away on failure.

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Sara Hysaro
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8/18/2015
The change doesn't affect storylets, just cards.

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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Posts: 1372

8/18/2015
lady ciel wrote:
I don't know if this is one of the new "improvements" but the second chance trick no longer works on opportunity cards. I was in the Nadir with an alt and An Unlikely Garden disappeared after perhaps notting out of it upset


Frankly I'm amazed that worked as long as it did, because it's a flat- out exploit of a bug and could never have been reasonably thought to be how the game worked.

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Sackville
Sackville
Posts: 295

8/16/2015
Thorbimorbi wrote:
Also, it seems that the timer for the next card restarts at 10 minutes everytime a change of the deck occurs, no matter where it was before.


I'm pretty sure this has always been the case.
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Flyte
Flyte
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Posts: 671

8/14/2015
yetanotherone wrote:
One thing I'm pretty sure shouldn't be happening is that I have just played "A polite invitation" (it was my only card in hand, with no cards waiting), returned to lodgings, and card was still there. Then played it again twice, and it's still there.
That's a bug – we'll take a look next week.
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yetanotherone
yetanotherone
Posts: 135

8/14/2015
Flyte wrote:
yetanotherone wrote:
One thing I'm pretty sure shouldn't be happening is that I have just played "A polite invitation" (it was my only card in hand, with no cards waiting), returned to lodgings, and card was still there. Then played it again twice, and it's still there.
That's a bug – we'll take a look next week.



Guess I better stop abusing it then!

All those "favours in high places" from constant partying would have helped me get even more scheme. Which I need for when you bring out something new and cool that requires lots of notability to get. That's happening, right wink



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