OPG
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10/28/2013
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Is the Correspondance something the Thunder Said?
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Erik Vimes
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10/30/2013
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OPG wrote:
Is the Correspondance something the Thunder Said?
We've already addressed the Correspondance in this thread; look back in the spoiler texts for your answer.
Which leads me to my own question:
How was the Thunder trapped? [spoiler] or killed? [/spoiler]
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OPG
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10/30/2013
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That was hardly a discussion. If anything, it was a handful of theories. Let's have a proper discussion about it now.
The original question was prompted by this sidebar snippet: "...and if you decode its complicated patterns you inevitably decide you're God, to the considerable detriment of your social life."
And the items in the Wild Words category (namely why else would an Aeolian Scream be placed next to a Correspondence Plague?)
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OPG
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10/30/2013
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After scouring the Shivering Relicker's storylets, I learned some interesting things:[spoiler]
Keep the Night-Whisper away from previous cities, the spires of the Bazaar, and the Co-[rrespondence].
The Night-Whisper will talk back.
It could be argued that the Masters speak a simplified form of the Correspondence.
The Breath of the Void (how the Bazaar sounds, between stars) is the sound of an invocation made by the Pharaoh to the Bazaar.
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EDIT: I have a conclusion that came from all this, but the spoiler tags won't work on it for some reason, therefore I can't post it; it's a dozen spoilers in and of itself. I can't help but feel like I've been preemptively outfoxed by Alexis. Congratulations, if that is the case.
edited by OPG on 10/30/2013
edited by OPG on 10/30/2013
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OPG
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10/30/2013
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Also, I think we all know what happened to the Thunder. There's a reason we dream about Skyglass Knives and vines.
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Flyte
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10/30/2013
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OPG wrote:
That was hardly a discussion. If anything, it was a handful of theories. Let's have a proper discussion about it now. Just one theory, really. My speculations on other topics were often dubious and sometimes demonstrably wrong, but I'm pretty confident about the Correspondence. Maybe you could assemble the textual evidence for an alternate view, and then we could talk about it?
I have a conclusion that came from all this, but the spoiler tags won't work on it for some reason, therefore I can't post it; it's a dozen spoilers in and of itself. You can only use spoiler tags once per post. Try again in a new post, maybe?
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OPG
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10/30/2013
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Nope, still not working. The first time I hit preview, it took a second, but it worked. I added some more text, and it hasn't worked since. You want me to PM it to you?
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Flyte
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10/30/2013
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I just did a test: my spoiler tags didn't work on preview, but did in the actual post. (It was a test post, so I deleted it.)
How about posting, then deleting it a few seconds later if the spoiler tags really do fail to work?
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OPG
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10/30/2013
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Okay.
[spoiler]The Thunder, the Bazaar, and Mr. Eaten are one and the same. It was Scarred, Stained, and Chained every time a city is sold by the Masters, who were originally either its servants or its allies.[/spoiler]EDIT: Hooray!EDITx2: Another edit for grammar.
edited by OPG on 10/30/2013
edited by OPG on 10/30/2013
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Erik Vimes
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10/31/2013
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I definitely like your theory, I have to admit, and it ties up a lot of face-up questions involving each part. Further comments: [spoiler] It would explain why the spires are housed in the Neath which we know to be somewhat akin to the skull of a 'dead' diety. It explains the 7 cities as well, that good ol' number, and ties why we all dream. And finally, the pain/bondage theme fits perfectly with the Bazaar's backstory and it's current "camouflage" technique.
However. We know Mr. Eaten was, well, eaten. The betrayal in the well. The details with the God-Eaters are fuzzy, but he was definitely actually eaten to appease them. Adding to, I found out that there are three of them. And for some reason considered allies to Seekers. But regardless: though it ties up the Thunder's death nicely, it raises too many objections with the Bazaar.
And now for another question, about the daughter, that whole scandal. Who's the mother/father? Does this mean the Bazaar is female and the Sun male and that it hid its cosmic pregnancy? Is that the root of the whole reason the two celestials broke up? If not, where did it come from?
And on an abstracting thought: When was it born?[/spoiler]
Edit: better phrasing
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OPG
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11/1/2013
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This fascinates me:[spoiler]"In three days time, we will breach the Mountain. The spoils are nothing less than life eternal! And then I shall end it, as I swore I would. We were meant to die. The brevity of our lives is what makes us human. Look at the torments and taints of the Neath. We will put an end to the Sun's experiment."[/spoiler]
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Erik Vimes
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11/1/2013
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I'm somewhat blown away by this (not to copy your format or anything):
[spoiler] "The Bazaar's dreams are full of salt and sunlight. I see the Stone Pigs stir. The lacre reservoirs are hungry: the Bazaar's passions empty them every year. Rather soon, I think, the citizens of London must go down into the tanks. London will be the new Forgotten Quarter." [/spoiler]
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OPG
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11/1/2013
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Do what you like with the format.
Lacre is undeniably the tears of the Bazaar. The lacre reservoirs empty every year around Christmas (some significance there, maybe involving the Daughter?).
Oh dear God, it's possible that Fallen London ran off with the skeleton of the Judeo-Christian myths and the fleshed it out in a more morbid direction. However, I'm not sure where the Number Seven fits into that.
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Dolan
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11/1/2013
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So it seems like the Lorn Flukes are
[spoiler]Previous Bazaars that failed in their duties and are hiding from the Judgement of the Sun in the deepest, darkest parts of the Unterzee.[/spoiler]
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Erik Vimes
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11/2/2013
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Lorn likely short for "forlorn" as Neath is short for "beneath," this seems quite probably. And here's something I found from succeeding at the SMEN challenge in the Hallowmas event:
[spoiler] "The morning comes. You remember nothing.
Almost nothing. There is the sound the Lorn-Flukes do not make, there beneath the black and crushing silence. There are three of them. They are allies. So let us feast."
Speculations on this: the black and crushing silence is the Unterzee. We're now told there are three Lorn Flukes. The question is, are they our allies or each others'? And does "so let us feast" solidly connect them to Mr. Eaten and possibly even imply that they are the God-Eaters? Were they given Mr. Eaten as appeasement? [/spoiler]
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Alexander Feld
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11/2/2013
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Erik Vimes wrote:
Lorn likely short for "forlorn" as Neath is short for "beneath," this seems quite probably. And here's something I found from succeeding at the SMEN challenge in the Hallowmas event:
[spoiler] "The morning comes. You remember nothing.
Almost nothing. There is the sound the Lorn-Flukes do not make, there beneath the black and crushing silence. There are three of them. They are allies. So let us feast."
Speculations on this: the black and crushing silence is the Unterzee. We're now told there are three Lorn Flukes. The question is, are they our allies or each others'? And does "so let us feast" solidly connect them to Mr. Eaten and possibly even imply that they are the God-Eaters? Were they given Mr. Eaten as appeasement? [/spoiler]
And are they the same as the "stone pigs"?
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OPG
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11/2/2013
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How often are the stone pigs appeased, assuming they exist? Annually?
EDIT: If I remember correctly, a monologue from the Capering Relicker implies that the Masters and the Pigs are the same. Also they want the Cider.
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Corvo
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11/4/2013
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Regarding your theory that about the Lorn-Flukes, in my opinion, it's invalidated by the fact that they are [spoiler] referred as "cousins" to those that inhabit Flute Street, the rubbery men. And if that is true, how could they be previous Bazaars that failed? Not to mention that they are somehow related to the Nadir and apparently want to go to the surface give that the fate option is titled "The Sky" and let's not mention that if you choose the "Myself" option -which I did- you become a lorn-fluke who is referred as the youngest of them [/spoiler] but it's an interesting theory nonetheless.
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streetfelineblue
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11/4/2013
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OPG wrote:
Okay.
[spoiler]The Thunder, the Bazaar, and Mr. Eaten are one and the same. It was Scarred, Stained, and Chained every time a city is sold by the Masters, who were originally either its servants or its allies.[/spoiler]EDIT: Hooray!EDITx2: Another edit for grammar.
edited by OPG on 10/30/2013
edited by OPG on 10/30/2013
Wait a minute - I thought Mr. Eaten was S,S&C seven times, while only five cities have been sold as of now. Unless by chance there are other two sold cities that for some reason don't count to the total number, but it seems unlikely to me.
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OPG
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11/4/2013
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There's a number of speculations possible, but don't forget that it's a god, so it may perceive time/the order of things differently. Besides, just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen. I can't think of anything that explicitly stated that Mr. E has been SS&C'ed seven times, only that to know the name/number, you must SS&C yourself seven times.
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