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Hannah Flynn
Hannah Flynn
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6/29/2015
From tomorrow, the way Quality Requirements are phrased will be different in Fallen London [edit: they're now live!].


Quality requirements are descriptions like these:


"You need Fascinating... no more than 0 (you have 1)"
"Unlocked with 30 x Whispered Secret - you have 190"


We have worked to put these into plain English, ultimately making them easier for new players to grasp.


Please let us know what you think!
edited by h4nchan on 6/30/2015

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Estelle Knoht
Estelle Knoht
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6/29/2015
How will the new... er.... phrasing looks like?

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Hannah Flynn
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6/29/2015
Estelle Knoht wrote:
How will the new... er.... phrasing looks like?



I think it makes most sense to click around tomorrow when it's live; there are so many different examples that it would take me quite a while to gather a representative sample to post here. smile

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Estelle Knoht
Estelle Knoht
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6/29/2015
Ah. Noodle of Deep Amber.

Module, I mean. Er, no, Nodule of Deep Amber.

Seems like some goods have measure words now. Not sure what to think of it for the time being.

Here's what I see, so far for inventory items (only changed items are listed):

Academic:
Flask of Abominable Salt

Cartography:
Shard of Glim

Contraband:
Coins of Surface Currency (don't like this one too much, given that different currencies have different value, unless their value down here is like stamp collection?)

Influence:
Scrap of Intriguing Gossip

Luminosity:
Lump of Lamplighter Earwax

Rubbery:
Nodules of Deep / Trembling / Fecund Amber
(Pulsating Amber remains the same)

Rumour:
Scrap of Incendiary Gossip

Wine:
Bottle of Greyfields / Morelways / Absinthe / Broken Giant / Airag / Masters' Blood
Vial of Tears of the Bazaar

Liking the measure word for Wines.



Shoes and Goggles:
Seems like most shoes and goggles have "pairs of" too.
Personally speaking, the icon is quite enough by itself to tell you it is a pair of shoes.
Not to mention most people assume you get pairs of shoes by default, so it seems kinda unneeded if you ask me.
Also, you missed "Mirror-Polished Shoes", although its icon shows a pair of shoes clearly instead of three shoes.
edited by Estelle Knoht on 6/29/2015

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Theus
Theus
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6/29/2015
Set of Workman's Clothes, Set of Ragged Clothing, Bundle of Fourth City Rags.

Gloves are also Pairs now.

Violet Amber is still sans nodule.

A Page of Collated Research.

Devilbone Die


Wines are now "Bottle of ..."
edited by Theus on 6/29/2015

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marcmagus
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6/29/2015
Interestingly, they still don't pluralize when you have more than one. I know plurals are annoying to implement, though.

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Estelle Knoht
Estelle Knoht
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6/29/2015
I suppose they are in the process of rolling out the changes, so maybe that will change later?

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Sara Hysaro
Sara Hysaro
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6/29/2015
I'm looking forward to seeing this implemented! Sometimes phrasing can be a little awkward. I remember one time echoing a quality long ago when I first started playing because I thought it was amusing: "A twist in my tale! I am now Inconvenienced by your Aunt."

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Kittenpox
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6/30/2015
This sounds pretty interesting. I was looking at my inventory earlier, and noticed Nodule of Warm Amber - glad to see these changes are being applied to various items, and I'm interested to see how the requirements look. (Keep up the great work, FBG! :-D )

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Estelle Knoht
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6/30/2015



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The item unlocks are quite confusing...

edited by Estelle Knoht on 6/30/2015

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Alistair Cray
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6/30/2015
I dislike the pair

Scrap of Intriguing Gossip / Scrap of Incendiary Gossip

It was already poorly distinguished, now it's even more similar. I think it would be great if quantity noun was different for those.

Maybe Whisper?
edited by Alistair Cray on 6/30/2015

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merusdraconis
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6/30/2015
Quality unlocks on cards are still a mess, as well.
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genesis
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6/30/2015
Is it possible to make some comprehension changes to Airs requirements?

Currently it says: "Unlocked when you have The Airs of London". But obviously you always "have" the Airs of London. It should either say what values of the Airs of London you need or (if you really want it to be mysterious or whatnot) something like "Unlocked when you have certain The Airs of London" or "Unlocked when The Airs of London are suitable" or something like that...

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Docteur
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6/30/2015
I dislike this new change! It's even more confusing in my opinion. Especially when items are involved.

EDIT : Colours, italic and hints help a lot! I now think it's great.
edited by Docteur on 6/30/2015

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The Dark Gentleman
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6/30/2015
I appreciate the use of bold, italic, and coloured text in the descriptions. However, I am saddened that my Surprise Packages (previously A Surprise Package) are now lost in the sea of my Curiosities instead of being right near the top where I'd notice it first thing. I suppose that makes it MORE surprising when I do finally see it?

Anyways, always good to see some mechanical work being done. I realize its still teething and might require some tinkering yet, and will happily wait for continued improvements.

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Hannah Flynn
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6/30/2015
The Dark Gentleman wrote:
Anyways, always good to see some mechanical work being done. I realize its still teething and might require some tinkering yet, and will happily wait for continued improvements.



Thanks!


We are gathering all feedback from the thread and any tickets to support@failbettergames.com so we can tweak and refine things; thank you for (all of) your feedback!

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genesis
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6/30/2015
Oh. Also. Could we please please also have info on when options become *Locked*. Especially pre-PoSI lots of options are only temporarily available until you reach a certain threshold. It would be a massive help if we could know when that's going to happen and not miss valuable content accidentally

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Isaiah Hazardway
Isaiah Hazardway
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6/30/2015
Related to this, the new hover text is really ugly. Any chance it might be reverted?

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Toper
Toper
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6/30/2015
I think the hovertext "You unlocked this with Nightmares 5 (you needed 4)" is kind of backwards. The whole point of having it, I think, is to display unlock requirements and/or costs; they shouldn't go in parentheses.

For Qualities, I'd prefer "This requires Nightmares 4 or more (you have 5)". This also shortens the prefix to every hovertext, which even for newbies is just clutter; and if "plain English" is the goal, it's good to get rid of the lock/unlock metaphor.

For stat/item requirements, probably "This requires Watchful 70 (you have 83)" or "This requires 200 Rats on Strings (you have 3969)". I think the "or more" is implicit for item counts and stat requirements.
edited by Toper on 6/30/2015
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ashdenej
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6/30/2015
The fact that the first-sentence description of Opportunity Cards is now bolded on hovering - much like the title - means that it's... harder to distinguish what's important, I suppose? If the requirement, title and description are all bolded, there's no variation - they might as well all be unbolded.

Perhaps the unlocked quality colours could be changed from red to - blue? Green? Red implies that you're missing a requirement.

It's also a little odd that one can be wearing a bundle of clothing once it's equipped, I think.
edited by ashdenej on 6/30/2015

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