Zeedee
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4/5/2013
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I read this thread yesterday and immediately wrote up a quick 'n' dirty guide to listing the Sources pages for Corran. I PM'ed him with a notepad because the code inside wouldn't properly display in a forum post or message. The guide is designed for minimal effort and maximum profits! :P Or, at the least, minimal effort... The end result will look something like this (for the Foxfire Candle Stubs Sources page):
S = Success, F = Failure, R = Rare Success
12 [Daring is needed]
80 ['Wot do yer say?']
540 RS [A direct approach 3]
1076 F [Breed the Somnolent Hyaena 4]
1500 S [Breed the Somnolent Hyaena 4]
You won't actually see the brackets; they hold the hyperlinks.
It won't have fancy and pretty coding like http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Items but it'll work, goshdarnit!
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Corran
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4/7/2013
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I have been thinking about this more; here's a few things:
It might actually be possible to programmatically get the numbers for the items, depending on how much the result pages follow a template. A first, super limited test, shows that the four pages I tried randomly all display gaining rostygold in the same way, so that's encouraging.
Using php, curl, xpath and regex it might be possible to extract the numbers and build a sorted listing with links and numbers. I'll have to try and see. Unfortunately there's some actual (paid) work I have to do first so I don't know when I'd be able to test this.
I don't think including succes, failure, once, etc. is really worth it. The links alone won't be enough to tell people what the exact action is they have to take, so they'll have to click the link anyway to see what the original action was and where it came from (storylet/card).
If the above is possible then, after doing the heavy lifting once, it should be rather easy to create this for all items.
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Zeedee
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4/7/2013
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All right, go nuts! I eagerly await your future results.
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Fhoenix
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4/7/2013
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I think what we need is a simple, easy to read table with columns:
1)Storylet name / Action name
2)Location
3)PoSI (yes/no)
4)Gain per action
It does not need to include every source, 2-3 best choices from different places would be enough. Having more options will just confuse people. And since everything would be on one page, you won't need to click a lot to find different goods, and would be able to use built in browser search to navigate, which would be much faster, then clicking your way around the wiki.
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Zeedee
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4/7/2013
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Just to be clear here, as far as tables go, 99% of the editors are cheerleaders in sparkly uniforms who jump up and down shouting "Whoo! Good job, whoOoOo!" after a goal is achieved by our coding athlete Varissaelle (wikia ID, don't know FL or forum ID). There is much pompom waving, as well.
This is the staff breakdown (I've added the anonymous & casual contributors):
New Article Editors: 80
Picture Uploaders: 36
Old Article Editors: 12
Table Editors: 1
If Varissaelle leaves us, an entire editing department is destroyed. :P
If you see a spiffy or elaborate table, she probably made it. You can look at a page's source code to see how she constructed the tables:
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Items
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Academic
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Lodgings
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Connected_Pet
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Profession
The closest example for what you're thinking would be the one in the Academic page. If you copy her code to a new page and fiddle with it till you get what you want, that would be one solution. I do like your idea, Fhoenix, and we've thought of it, but someone with both talent and time has to be there to implement it.
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