IHNIWTR
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2/9/2013
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The Rectifying Certifiable Scraps action is utter nonsense. Honestly, I don't understand it. I really don't. It could go either way, it says. Yet the past 6 times the cards showed up, every single time, I got the unlucky result. It's not as if these cards pop up right and left, either, you have to wait them out and toss out the dross, which is plentiful and consistent. I also realize it's a bet and it says so right on the action.
But every single time? For the past six times? With different Relickers? Over a week and a half of playing?
I'm just completely and utterly disgusted here. More than anything else it just makes me want to quit the game. Something about these odds is just totally off.
edited by IHNIWTR on 2/9/2013
edited by IHNIWTR on 2/9/2013
edited by IHNIWTR on 2/9/2013
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Nigel Overstreet
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2/10/2013
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If you don't like clicking the button, don't click the button!
There are a few cards and an action on Mutton Island that do nothing but give you Nightmares. There are some storylets still available which only give you a couple of pence an action. There are others opportunities which give you absolutely nothing but text. A bit of advice: DON'T CLICK IT!
Not every action in this game is a winner. Click the one's you like and ignore the ones you don't.
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Urthdigger
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2/13/2013
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To clarify, the difference is based on your "A Scholar of the Correspondence" quality. So it's nice to have it high enough for the highest option.
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Diptych
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2/9/2013
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The Horoscope thing is certainly rare and difficult to do, but, at the same time, it's completely optional and offers no practical benefit - it's only you who decided "yes, that is what I must do next." As for the Relickers, well, as you say, you know that option was a gamble. It's not the only way to get Scraps. It's not even the best way - not even close. It's just an option if you're feeling lucky. And, well, six failures in a row is bad luck, sure, but it's no more or less probable than any other combination of successes and failures.
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Diptych
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In fact, for that matter, the Relickers are completely optional too. I'm sure someone's done the numbers as to whether they're better or worse value than earning the items they give through item conversions, but the handful of items only available through them or through other luck-based storylines don't have any use except as trophies. I don't think anyone ever needs to deal with a Relicker in order to progress in any other part of the game.
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IHNIWTR
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2/9/2013
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To me, the whole point of Echo Bazaar isn't just progress through bonuses to the stats. It's a game where the greatest incentive is story and character advancement. Not just a recursive loop of drops or level-ups, but a slow, methodical process towards creating the character you want. In such a model "trophy" items or indications of your character (such as the horoscope) as very important. The fact that the game's systems prevent you from having any sort of reliable access to them, and perhaps even setting you back without you failing a stat test that can be improved over time, is extremely disheartening.
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Diptych
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2/9/2013
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I don't want to be rude, but you know that Certifiable Scraps can be ground, right? Even if you don't want to grind them directly, the Lodgings cards are a reliable and predictable way to earn them.
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Lady Red
Posts: 517
2/9/2013
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IHNIWTR wrote:
The Rectifying Certifiable Scraps action is utter nonsense. Honestly, I don't understand it. I really don't. It could go either way, it says. Yet the past 6 times the cards showed up, every single time, I got the unlucky result. [....] I'm just completely and utterly disgusted here. More than anything else it just makes me want to quit the game. Something about these odds is just totally off.
It could go either way means exactly that - it could go either way. So to your bad luck, it's gone the wrong way when you've played it. Sure, it *is* bad luck, and annoying, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's disgusting that a game of chance obeys the laws of mathematics? So you're going to rage-quit?
Take a deep breath and try another part of the game for a while. There's plenty to do that has nothing with a chance element - I steer clear of a lot of the chance-based stuff myself because I find it irritating. Others enjoy the rush that gambling brings. It's your choice! 
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protonsinthedark
Posts: 106
2/9/2013
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Spacemarine9 wrote:
do you know how probability works
losing scraps six times is not a bug in the system, it's just a streak of bad luck
It's unlikely- about .02% if i can remember how to use numbers properly (Assuming it's a 50-50 chance)- but it's not impossible
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Last I checked, (1/2)^6 == 1/64, or ~1.6%. (assuming fortunate and unfortunate luck are both P=0.5) How were you coming up with .02%?
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Nagato-01
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2/10/2013
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If you guys really want to get the odds, then start recording your wins and losses on those cards. We've got incredibly precise odds on the Fidgeting Writer story, by averaging out all our successes and losses.
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Urthdigger
Posts: 939
2/10/2013
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With luck challenges, it's not so much that I consider them fun, so much as I put up with them for the rewards given. Luck-challenges are meant to be frustrating, in that you can never improve your chances at them. However, the payoff is usually rather good (Folks have gotten close to 300 pence per action with fidgeting writer). I generally just calculate my odds as near as I can, and use that to take a guess as to my gains versus losses when I'm grinding.
Exception is when I'm doing new content to see the content. Then I kinda like luck challenges because I kinda want to see the failure message too.
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