Ewan C
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1/22/2013
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[Context: playing ~6 weeks, up to ~70 per stat.]
Where do folks go to find Certifiable Scraps? I spent the few that I had pretty early on, and there are a *lot* of Relicker cards that it would be pleasant to be able to use... but I have not seen a reliable source of scraps ever that I'm aware of. What am I missing? 
Thanks!
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Saharan
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1/22/2013
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
(Does anyone still live in the Half-Abandoned Mansion? Or were they evicted when K&C came to a close, or with one of the Lodgings revisions?)
(For that matter, could one still acquire it if one were to hypothetically reach K&C rank 13 in this day and age?)
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Saharan
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1/22/2013
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
Saharan wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
(Does anyone still live in the Half-Abandoned Mansion? Or were they evicted when K&C came to a close, or with one of the Lodgings revisions?)
(For that matter, could one still acquire it if one were to hypothetically reach K&C rank 13 in this day and age?)
I don't think there is another another way of increasing one's Kinfe and Candle rank now that the game is not being played. Is there?
For the potential madman who's yet to complete the story, there is a way via the story "An Umpire of Knife and Candle". There's an option around the third opportunity card in, that allows you to kill two disputing members for a single point in rank increase. It also resets your progress in the story to 0, allowing you to start it from the beginning should you redraw the card. Presuming it doesn't cap at some arbitrary number, one would have to do this around 90 times to reach 13.
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Kaigen
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12/16/2015
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On the plus side, if you can't stand the randomness of recertifying, you know ahead of time to not even mess with the Fidgeting Writer.
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Aximillio
Posts: 1251
1/22/2013
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I personally don't play most of the relicker cards and simply save up for the high rewards instead. I guess that's preference.
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Estelle Knoht
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12/16/2015
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I don't have any tips on getting scraps, but what I can say is that with effort, there are alternative sources for most scrap-traded items:
Starstone Demark is available from the Urchin storyline at Christmas, or selling Nadir to them
Intriguer's Compendium is available at Hallowmas, at 250 to 500 Spirit
Coruscating Soul is available via Fidgeting Writer
Night-Whisper is available via Fidgeting Writer
Parabola-Linen is available via Expedition and via giving gift to Mr Sacks
All other items: Purchasable at the Bazaar or available for crafting
The only items that must be acquired by Scraps are the all four top-tier items AND the Ivory Organza.
So if you seek to have one of each, the goal should be 13480 Scraps.
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Cimanyd
Posts: 38
12/16/2015
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Well, if this is revived anyway:
Guy Scrum wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Recertifying a double armful of scraps will yield 20 on success and lose 18 on failure, and it appears to be a 50% chance of success. In the long run, it'll average out to one scrap per card. You just have to make sure to take pleasure in your lucky streaks instead of dwelling on the unlucky ones.
I'd like to point out that, though Guy Scrum is correct, the 10-scrap and 20-scrap options have the same difference in success gain and failure loss (+10 -8, +20 -18). This means if you want to grind scraps and trust the odds to be 50% in the long run, you should always take the 10-scrap option. The 20-scrap option just increases your risk with no long-term benefit (and the 5-scrap option is +5 -4 so it has half as much effect for the card and action).
As for Estelle Knoht's post which I'm not going to quote since it's right there and it'd make my post unnecessarily long:
Night-Whispers are also available from expeditions.
Like the Starstone Demark, the Reported Location (one of the top-tier) and Ivory Organza can be acquired from selling the Cave of the Nadir location, though of course you can only do that once, so you can't get all three that way.
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Theus
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2/7/2013
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Gambling with the Relickers: for the 10 and 20 scrap options, the mathematical outcome is 1 scrap gain per card draw. The 5 scrap option is zero-sum.
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Gillsing
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1/1/2014
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Inky Petrel wrote:
Any new options other than lodgings? (I seem to have no luck flipping that card up in the flit, and I'd like to keep the urchin connections I have in any case). Reprehensible Lizard, Fairy Tame Sorrow-Spider and Deshrieked Mandrake all give 2 scraps when you send them to the Surface with a message to that 'friend' you wish to spam with invites to Fallen London. Sulky Bats can do it too, but their default option gives 3 scraps or Connected: The Game +8 CP, with a rare chance for a Bat with Attitude. So despite slightly less than 50% lucky results so far, I'm going with that one.
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OPG
Posts: 387
1/1/2014
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Fhoenix wrote:
How do we know he is from the first city? He "raised his glass when the Eye Temple fell". Also he's a good friend of the Manager of the Royal Beth.
Back on topic: I'm kinda glad the Relickers are getting some love. They're probably my favorite bit of FL, mostly because of the vortex of humor, lore hints, and neat items. I do wish there was a Relicker for Wines items, though.
Also, when I draw the cards, I typically use the 5-scrap gamble. I've had enough success that it's worth using, and only a 4-scrap loss on a bad roll. I'll certainly try some of the more grindable options mentioned here, though.
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Diptych
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1/22/2013
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Lodgings cards! Once you have the relevant key, the basic challenge on a Lodgings card will give Scrap as its reward. The Flophouse, Gambling Den, Bookshop, Cottage, Lair, and Shack all give 1; the Townhouse and Steamer give 2; the Embassy and Royal Beth, 3; the Bazaar, 4.
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Diptych
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1/22/2013
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(Does anyone still live in the Half-Abandoned Mansion? Or were they evicted when K&C came to a close, or with one of the Lodgings revisions?)
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lady ciel
Posts: 2548
11/12/2015
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A Sulky Bat is useful. The card gives either 3 scraps or connected Great Game and there is a rare success where you get a Bat with Attitude, they have no use yet but they can be sold at the Bazaar for 12.5 echoes.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/12/2015
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People actually spammed their MP to join Fallen London? Oh, that would have been so much fun to do with some of the clowns we have infesting the U.S. Congress. Then again, it would be horrid if one of them accepted...
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Blaine Davidson
Posts: 388
11/13/2015
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Upon realizing I couldn't reach 500 Spirit of Hallowmas I opted to bury as many confessions as I could. You get two pieces of scrap per confession so by the end I received a few hundred.
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Gemma Hawley
Posts: 55
11/13/2015
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It is my strong recommendation to those who hope to eventually gain the top-tier Relicker items, don't choose the gambling options at all. If you get on a bad luck streak, it can wipe out months of effort in fairly short order, since even with all the Lodgings cards, scraps trickle in pretty slowly. Instead, slow and steady accumulation seems to pay off better in the long run.
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Guy Scrum
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11/13/2015
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Gemma Hawley wrote:
It is my strong recommendation to those who hope to eventually gain the top-tier Relicker items, don't choose the gambling options at all. If you get on a bad luck streak, it can wipe out months of effort in fairly short order, since even with all the Lodgings cards, scraps trickle in pretty slowly. Instead, slow and steady accumulation seems to pay off better in the long run.
I respectfully disagree. Recertifying a double armful of scraps will yield 20 on success and lose 18 on failure, and it appears to be a 50% chance of success. In the long run, it'll average out to one scrap per card. You just have to make sure to take pleasure in your lucky streaks instead of dwelling on the unlucky ones.
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Sara Hysaro
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11/13/2015
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You'll definitely earn in the long run, but I personally don't find 1 scrap per card worth putting up with the RNG. Min-max players seem to avoid the 1 scrap options altogether, so that group probably wouldn't be gambling much with the relickers either. If you are going to think of the long term, however, I strongly recommend you put off recertifying until you have a good enough supply that an unlucky streak won't blow through it entirely.
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Optimatum
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11/13/2015
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I would recommend avoiding the recertifying options entirely if you don't have enough scraps to continue recertifying after a couple unlucky tries. I have a bit over 2000 scrap so I'm in no danger of running out, but losing a few times in a row often means the inability to play the options any more.
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Guest
11/13/2015
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Wow, this thread's been resurrected more than the show "Family Guy!" Moving on....
About the topic at hand, I've seen the relicer cards recertification about 51/49% win/loss, but it really is not profitable in the early stages if you lose too much to be able to continue. it's likely not even a good idea until you have scraps at nearly a 4-digit level for cushion purposes. Eventually you should get ahead, but as noted, it's a slim margin.
The better option is to draw in the Flit for "Call In Favours in the Flit," and Cash in Urchins when at 15+. If doing this for a monentary or item value instead, then the Revolutionaries at 15+ 720 Proscribed Materials is technically better, but getting 20 scraps and an up to 215 value Oddities draw is just too great (for Urchins) to pass up. 900 Pearls at the cost of 3 Favours Criminals is just not worth the difficulty restoring that and the other two Flit options are so much better.
While I'll leave others to debate whether getting 1 scrap a turn on the lesser residences is worth it (they do add up however,) there's absolutely no question that the 4/5 card residences' card scrap options are worth it, (However, due to a few of them having costs/penalties on a failure, make sure you have second chances for them if you have a low attribute heck.)
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Sara Hysaro
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1/22/2013
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If you play the lodging cards you have the keys to you'll get scraps. The more lodgings you get the more opportunities for scraps you will have. There's a few other sources, but for your range lodging cards are probably your best bet.
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Zeedee
Posts: 276
1/23/2013
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You can trade in some of your connections (~120CP) with Urchins in the Flit to gain 20 Certifiable Scraps and 8 Phosphorescent Scarabs. The option appears in a Flit-exclusive opportunity card entitled Call in favours in the Flit. It's an uncommon draw card, but it's a lot of scraps in one go. (I haven't tested the Criminal and Revolutionaries' options but they might be along the same vein.) I probably wouldn't choose that option again; I favor the urchins and, who knows, having high Connected scores with your favorite factions might give a character a more satisfying ending. Then again, I've been playing on and off for half a year and only have 100 scraps to show for it. I usually choose the scrap options for the Lodgings card, too. :-/ Ah well, luck of the draw and all that.
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Nagato-01
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1/23/2013
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My calculations are probably really off, but if you grind using the "All this blood has got you thinking about death" invite option in the lodgings, you can get a ton of money/Scraps.
It's even more tedious than most grinds, because you'd have to uncheck the "post a message to their wall?" bit before spending an action. On the plus side, I reckon it's at least 140 per action, which makes it one of the best ways to grind money, if you've got time to spare.
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic804-an-indepth-look-at-money-options.aspx?Page=2#post18993
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Diptych
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2/6/2013
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Veils-Velvet, Rumourmonger's Network, Breath of the Void, or... something secret, from the man who is probably from the First City and may have brewed the first Hesperidean Cider. So, the question is, which top reward to collect second?
edited by Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook on 2/6/2013
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lady ciel
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1/2/2014
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If you have someone to invite from the surface try the Dangerous option at your lodgings - you get 1 scrap if you are lucky but you don't have to wait for cards and get some surface currency either way.
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Trenloco
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1/2/2014
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You can move to the K&C lodging via a 7-win streak while playing on the moon league. Opp card appears at 3 streak
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Aximillio
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2/7/2013
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Theus wrote:
Gambling with the Relickers: for the 10 and 20 scrap options, the mathematical outcome is 1 scrap gain per card draw. The 5 scrap option is zero-sum.
Assuming it's a 50% chance of success.
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